27-07-2004 15:36									#331
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	18-08-2004 15:32									#332
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quote: Hi Octavian X, According to the original estimates, Tabemono should discover GP in about 2 turns. I've written to them asking for confirmation of this. We've been funding them 65gpt for researching this. I reckon your Monotheism should arrive in about 14 turns, is that right? Do you have a deal worked out with Tabemono for that and GP? If you have spare workers, perhaps they could head for possible SP sites on hills or mountains in readiness. Regards, Cort

	19-08-2004 12:31									#333
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quote: Cort Haus, Your estimates are correct: 13 turns until monotheism as of now. I'm afraid, though, that we've not talked with Tabemono about monotheism and gp. I'll send a message to them as well inquiring about pricing and such. Thanks for the reminder, though. One more thing - we've finished upgrading our force of archers into longbowmen. We're waiting mostly to see if we have any saltpeter available to upgrade some spears to musketeers. It won't be something to hold up the war over, given that we really can't afford more upgrades anyway with as large a military as we're handling. Python is ready, nonetheless, and better sooner than later, I think, given that now our military is rated stronger than that of the Monkeys. ~Octavian X

	07-09-2004 15:22									#334
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quote: Hi Octavian X, We will have Gunpowder in two turns. Our Spearmen are in Silkfest praying for Saltpeter, and the rest of the stack is being assembled as you have seen - we should have ~20LB and 20cats at the front in 6-7 turns. I hope that's not too late for you guys. We withdrew our stack to Siege Perilous 1 away from the new Monkey city. They're obviously going for more upkeep. If we do have SP in our territory it might need hooking up. You indicated before that you weren't planning on Musket upgrades, but do you have a deal with Tabemono for Gunpowder. If not, and you have SP but we don't, then we'd need to get you Gunpowder before you could trade us the SP. We might have to speak to Tabemono about that. Most of our workers are hacking the jungle, so we'll be near the mountains & hills there, but if SP appeared in the hills near Izzardia, might you have a couple of spare super-Pythonian workers nearby to help reach it? Regards, Cort

	07-09-2004 15:27									#335
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quote: PS - I forgot to say - we wont be building a barracks city now - we can't afford it, so our War Settler might be used for some other purpose, in case you wanted to build another city yourself around there.

	10-09-2004 13:58									#336
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quote: Hello Cort, We have about 20 spears, 30 longbows, and 17 cats either in or on their way to Siege Perilous. We can wait longer, though we're ready when you are. A delay only means a larger army on our side of things. We need to talk to Tabejin again about Gunpowder. We did contact them early, but discussion died off. I plan to PM them again soon. A lot of it, though, is contingent on whether or not there's actually enough saltpeter to go around - if it's in CoD's territory, and there's none for us at home, we'll wait gunpowder out a bit longer for a chance at a lower price. If you guys do have gunpowder, though, we can help some with the roading effort - There's a large stack of workers near our border, and two headed north from Siege Perilous, just in case. And, as to the city-that-won't-be, thanks for the heads up. ~Octavian X

	15-09-2004 20:11									#337
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quote: Greetings, We both have a source of SP - yours is at Gorge-Peril8, ours at New Plymouth 7. I haven't recieved a reply from Tabemono about tech rights (I asked if we could supply you with Gunpowder). We'll have about 5 muskets at the front and ready to Rock 'n Roll on Turn 143, with the current being T137. Regards, -Cort

	16-09-2004 13:53									#338
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quote: Cort Haus, Stange things, actually. Gunpowder was sent to us, accepted, by Tabemono. I talked to Kloreep about it, and he was under the impression there was a joint purchase going on here. I'm about to send him a PM about a price for the tech. Your thoughts? Anyway, about saltpeter: I uprooted a ton of workers who were mining around some other places of the homeland. They're on there way to Gorge of Eternal Peril, and should have a road there in 4-5 turns. We're ready for stage two of the attack whenever you guys are. ~Octavian X Looking forward to slaying some simians

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quote: That sounds cool, hopefully Tabemono have accepted that as part of the research agreement Python can have Gunpowder and in return they can do what they like with it over there.

	21-09-2004 13:42									#339
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quote: Hello Octavian X, Our units were blocked this turn at Siege-Perilous-9. No matter, but I made up a little picture to remind ourselves of the roads south for each team. We can upgrade five, hopefully six, Muskets next turn in Silkfest and start moving the following turn. They could save a turn by using the Python road and enable the combined attack to start sooner. It's up to you - if you wanted to get started sooner and don't mind some of your reinforcements being delayed a turn, then you could leave a space for the Muskets. Regards, -Cort.

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	22-09-2004 04:57									#341
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quote: Cort, My apoligies for the mix-up. I've got those extra workers on the side of our current road to 'widen the lane,' so to speak, to ease movement. However you wish to move your troops is up to you guys. By all means, feel free to use our section of the road to speed up the process - a stack of muskets will be a bit more important than a few straggling longbows and spears. We are basically ready to attack whenever you are, though I'd like to wait until we can upgrade at least one spear in Siege Perilous to start our GA on the first wave. We also should discuss our strategy of attack. I'm thinking it might be best to split our stacks into two groups each - one group from each nation goes in on the coasts of Monkeyland, and and other two halves go down the middle, all simultaneously threatening all Monkey border cities on the first wave - four cities, iirc. Thoughts? ~Octavian X

	25-09-2004 14:13									#342
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quote: quote: Togas wrote on Thursday, September 23rd, 2004 12:45:54 AM: Greetings from across the sea! We on team Sunshine are looking to aquire Invention and are wondering if you might have that knowledge. If so, we would be willing to buy or trade for it. Please let us know. Thanks! --Togas Cort Haus, I just wanted to check in with you guys before we try to sell Invention. Since we both chipped in for it (I can't remember how it was split), if we do try to sell it, we should split the profit. ~Octavian X

	08-10-2004 14:14									#343
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quote: Hi Octavian X, I have PM'd Kloreep at Tabemono asking him what they think about selling Invention to SS and splitting the money three ways btw Tab-Pyt-CoD. How does that sound to you? Regards, -Cort

	10-10-2004 19:27									#344
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quote: Hello Cort Haus, That sounds like an excellent idea. I'd rather not make Tabemono, as a tech trading partner, angry. ~Octavian X

	01-11-2004 02:14									#345
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quote: Octavian, FYI - our attack stack is ready to go next turn (280AD). How about you guys? -Arrian

	01-11-2004 03:01									#346
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quote: Cort Haus, Anything new in CoD happening? I'm compiliing a news update for the PTWDGII, so anything you can contribute would be nice. I'd welcome some comments on the war, if you guys have any. Thanks in advance!

my reply

quote: The next couple of moves will be interesting, and I reckon we'll have a clearer picture of what our comments on the war might be once the big slaughter starts! Up till now its build & send, build & send, and wouldn't want to give anything away publicly (to Monkey). The jungle clearing is going down very well though, and we can certainly taunt the tree-hugging apes with that, though Arrian sent you a PM saying we're ready to Rock and Roll on our next turn. We have 23 Longbows 22 Catapults, 15 Horsemen, 8 Muskets and a Heavily-made-up-Swordsman. As two stacks would spread the defenders thin and Monkey have a zillion cats, CoD would have to be use one stack probably.

	01-11-2004 18:53									#347
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quote: Arrian and Cort Haus, Since you both were kind enough to send messages, I'll go ahead and reply once. The forces currently assembled in Siege Perilous: 30 longbows 4 musketeers 14 spearman 16 catapults 3 horsemen 6 swordsmen Then, what's out plan of attack? Two stacks, perhaps: You guys toward Mandril/Simian Deep, and us toward Simian Deep/Orangutan? And, of course, here's to our future victory!

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My reply:

quote: Octavian, I'm not looking at the map right now, so I'll have to get back to you on the attack route. For now it's good to know we're both ready. -Arrian

	07-11-2004 02:54									#348
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quote: Octavian, This past turn, I moved CoD's attack stack to Simian Deep9. You guys can either sweep westward, or move to Simian Deep8, and once we nail that city, we can split up a bit. Your call. -Arrian

	14-11-2004 14:44									#349
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quote: Well, Monkey have partly taken Trip's advice, and partly followed their own pattern of elastic defence. Simian Deep is disbanded, with one archer, 'Thwwwt' standing on its tile. The rest has vanished. I'm awaiting comments in our forum, but it looks like CoD go to Orang7 while Python go to Mandrill6, Monkey will be expecting this, but at least we've split them. We would be split too though, which they might favour as they could attack one stack without getting hit by the counter from the other stack. The trouble with the above is that the big MOnkey stack could slip behind us if it is now in Orang and we would have to chase it North. Perhaps Orang8 would be better. Any thoughts from Python? We won't hurry over our move. Monkey spent nearlky a week on theirs.

	15-11-2004 17:30									#350
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quote: Thanks for the info. Octavian did post the news in our private forum. Good move by the Monkeys, separating our forces. It seems that we either allow it to happen or allow them a "free" attack before one of our stacks reaches another Monkey city. Moving both our stacks toward the same city might allow us to force the bulk of their defences to be used up. Perhaps that's what we should do? If we separate, we risk serious losses without much gain. I'm going away today and will be back on wednesday, so any further communications should go through other members of Monty Python.

	15-11-2004 20:19									#351
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quote: Hi Octavian X, How about we both move west this turn? Cod to Mandrill6 and Python to Mandril9? This keeps our stacks together. Monkey will have several units in Orang which cannot reach Mandril next turn, and our horses will keep some units in Gorilla too. Regards, -Cort

	16-11-2004 15:08									#352
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quote: Cort Haus, Sounds like a good plan, given that Mandril is essentially the corner of Monkeyland. I'm not entirely sure, though, that Monkey would keep that many units in Gorilla, given that mercenaries have a definite advantage over horses, and we would definetly have to move on after one or two turns if we hadn't taken the city by then, since Monkey would've been able to call up more troops to the area. Keep in touch, Octavian X

	17-11-2004 16:10									#353
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quote: OK, we moved west as agreed. It's possible that Monkey will risk hitting the CoD stack in the open where they can't heal, but they'd need some 50 attackers to completely eliminate it and take the cats. If they did attack they could escape on their roads but the western cities would be undefended.

	24-11-2004 07:10									#354
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quote: Same again from the Monkeys. My first thoughts are head back east. CoD move 6 to Orang 87 and Python 3 to Gorilla89. Then CoD to Orang7 and Python to Gorilla9. Only first thoughts though. I'll get back to you guys again once our forum has discussed it. -Cort

	24-11-2004 18:17									#355
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quote: Hi Pythons, Here's the latest thinking - and this is still before all opinions are in: Due South is an attractive move, continuing the pattern of threatening one city with two stacks which has worked twice. There's just the rat-run to the north if they've a decent wad in Orang that worries me. They could really embarrass us. They won't hit us in the open, as they can't scamper back and heal in time, and they won't hit us from a city IF the other stack can hit the city next turn. I suspect they want to hit us when they are in a city and the other stack can't retaliate immediately, allowing them to heal. If so, the move I suggested first (CoD to Orang7 and Python to Gorilla9) could be dangerous as one stack could be hit with everything from a city and they can heal before the other stack reaches. In which case the safest move is a 3-stager : 1. CoD move 6 to Orang 87 (where we can be joined by 4 more units including a Musket) and Python 3 to Gorilla89 2. Both move east - CoD to Orang89 and Python to Orang87. 3. Both move south - CoD to Orang9 and Python to Orang7.

	24-11-2004 20:00									#356
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quote: At first glance, I think we should move both our stacks directly south (2). I'll put your message in our private forum, to see if there are other ideas.

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quote: Directly south is attractive, but Monkey could march most of their army north - up the road out of Gorilla and three tiles to the northwest of our stacks. We'd be forced to chase after them - or they would take Siege Perilous and more. We'd need a defence plan in case they did that.

	24-11-2004 21:43									#357
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Cort,

Ultimately, if Monkey *does* march out in a barbarian uprising style attack, it might be good for us. We can easily replace some of our southern towns, if it comes to that. While Monkey marches north, we cut roads & retreat, while producing nothing but units (same with Python). Meanwhile, our primarly forces destroy their core. By the time Monkey's forces start threatening any really valueable city, we will have mustered a pretty solid counterattacking force, and should be able to destroy them... I hope.

-Arrian

	24-11-2004 22:12									#358
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It's the "I hope" part that I don't like, otherwise I would go with it. If we could shove 10 muskets in the Fortress 2 of SP, then I would be willing to march against Gorilla. But as it stands, no, we should not attack tem


(IMHO, of course...)

	24-11-2004 22:44									#359
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Our southern towns are giving us a lot of commerce - about 50 in fact, and Monkey could pillage and force us to disband at will. We won't have an new army to withstand them in the north in the ten turns it would take them to get there. For example, they can arrive at Silkfest in 10 turns (assuming roads cut). We can't start building spears for another 2 turns, and then they have to be upgraded and delivered. If their stack could knock out our southern stack, it can knock out anything smaller, and we won't build anything big in 10-20 turns. Then there's the WW, the cost of replacing cities and worker-turns, risk of monkey leaders, (Armies), possible loss of Silkfest, loss of commerce and inability to support 2nd large army even if we can build one in time.

I'm sure Monkey would love to do that to us - what sweet revenge. I really don't want to give them the chance. If we moved south and they went north we'd have to chase them.

	24-11-2004 22:52									#360
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quote: I see your point. Basically heading south would mean the risk of losing Siege Perilous, even if only for a while. Personally, I would go ahead and risk it, but I don't know about others in team Monty. Another idea would be to head for Orangutan, thus closing the way for a counter-attack that could outrun us. One team would head for Orangutan 87, while the other would go to Orangutan 88.