03-08-2003 11:46									#91
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Well, it's better than nothing.

And in any time when you think something like this might happen, make sure you get a good look at the fiends. A good visual description can be a case saver for a lot of people.

	03-08-2003 11:46									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i doubt it mrmitchell... there was a couple half a block down who saw the whole thing plus a couple people driving by... i dont think the noise maker would have helped... might have attracted the two cops who were checking out a house a couple blocks up though. i dont know.

noise maker might scare them. maybe not though. if you could have gotten them with spray you would have been safe.

	03-08-2003 11:48									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i dont know what Big 5 is... we dont got them in philly

sporting goods store. for hunters and what not. they should have gun stores there too. they should have all that.

	03-08-2003 11:49									#94
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mrmitchell... descriptions are hard at night... all i could say was they was two black males my age and one had a scraggly beard and they wore long tees but that description fits like 90% of the people here. they didnt really have nothing charateristic but i couldnt really tell for sure anyway

	03-08-2003 11:50									#95
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yeah kid, i looked up in the yellow pages theres several gun dealers

	03-08-2003 11:51									#96
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Good luck Albert Speer. Get some self defense equipment it will make you feel safer. Hopefully you won't have to use it. If you get a gun be very carefull.

	03-08-2003 11:51									#97
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I'm off to bed.

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quote: mrmitchell... descriptions are hard at night... all i could say was they was two black males my age and one had a scraggly beard and they wore long tees but that description fits like 90% of the people here. they didnt really have nothing charateristic but i couldnt really tell for sure anyway

Damn. You do say they held you up against a lamp post though? Get any information about them that you can. Height, age, clothing, facial features, everything, even large scars on the arm or whatever. The more you know, the better.

	03-08-2003 11:54									#99
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nah there was nothing notable about them... two black males one with a scraggly beard. that was all i could tell really. why do people always say **** like remember notable things like scars? how many people go around with big notable scars?

	03-08-2003 11:54									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer yeah kid, i looked up in the yellow pages theres several gun dealers

Sorry to hear about the mugging. Hope that you are ok.
BUt do they issue conceal gun permits? Otherwise you have to keep the gun at home, so what good would it do you on the street? Also if someone sneaks up on you how can you pull your gun in time? Usually though the drugies are the ones that mug a lot.

	03-08-2003 11:55									#101
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and it wasnt exactly a lamp-post i dont think... i dont know what it was... i think it was more like one of the bus-stop posts or something cause it seemed slightly different from a normal lamp-post but i dont know.

	03-08-2003 11:57									#102
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yeah the ad said, "application to carry concealed weapons availible" or something like that so i'm assuming you can in philly.

but yeah these two boys were def druggies... they didnt even want my money at first. i offered my wallet and they still were demanding weed until they finally took it.

	03-08-2003 12:00									#103
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quote: ah there was nothing notable about them... two black males one with a scraggly beard. that was all i could tell really. why do people always say **** like remember notable things like scars? how many people go around with big notable scars?

Because we hope it works. Sorry

(Usually, though, there's SOMETHING descriptive that sets them apart from the crowd...unless Philly was some bioclone experiment that went horribly wrong)

	03-08-2003 12:03									#104
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mrmitchell... two young black males one with a scraggly beard and they were wearing the same clothes that every other boy in philly, including me, wears... that description fits everybody

	03-08-2003 12:08									#105
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i just found out that my one boy had a similiar **** happen to him but he aint say nothing to me for some damn reason...

	03-08-2003 12:10									#106
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Condolences on the attack and the money lost. if you feel unsafe, it might be wise to put most of your cash out of the way, like inside your shoes.

As you described the incident, it seems very unlikely having had a gun would have helped, since the second assailant came out of nowhere: how would you have been ready for that?

But anyway, hope this is the lasdt time it ever happens, and that the perpetrators are caught, as small as that chance is.

	03-08-2003 12:11									#107
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Would any kind soul who is familiar with that particular state's laws please advise Master Speer on the legal implications of carrying a concealed firearm?

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quote: it might be wise to put most of your cash out of the way, like inside your shoes.

D'oh! No one'd even thought of that, and it's probably the easiest solution so far.

	03-08-2003 12:12									#109
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a couple years ago my mom was mugged and pistol whipped but nothing has happened again for her so far... i hope nothing will happen to me again... i mean i never thought it would in the first place though... i'm a young male whose lived his whole life in the city and is from the area... arent i like the least likely target statistically?

damn it though... i was thinking about getting a gun for a while though just in case... i always get these thoughts right before something happens bad to me like my subconscious knows whats up

	03-08-2003 12:13									#110
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I though young males are most likely to get into any sort of trouble, both as the victims and perpetrators.

	03-08-2003 12:14									#111
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quote: But anyway, hope this is the lasdt time it ever happens, and that the perpetrators are caught, as small as that chance is.

They'll get it sooner or later. Not only are they doing drugs, but they're mugging people to support their habit. A double whammy if you ask me.

Albert--if they're going to attack someone, they're going to just attack the person who looks the least prepared. They don't give a **** if you're a "homie", they just want their weed.

	03-08-2003 12:16									#112
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GePap:

no but young males living in the area of a crime are the least likely i'm sure to be the victim of random violence like this one... what you're thinking is where boys bring it on themselves...

but damn... weed... don't tell me that **** aint addictive if it could drive these two to that

	03-08-2003 12:17									#113
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i feel salty though cause i know i told david floyd before to not worry cause i never worried and **** wouldnt happen to me but damn... i'm salty as ****...

	03-08-2003 12:20									#114
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer GePap: no but young males living in the area of a crime are the least likely i'm sure to be the victim of random violence like this one... what you're thinking is where boys bring it on themselves... but damn... weed... don't tell me that **** aint addictive if it could drive these two to that

Most of the time I hear about people killed by random violence, the majority are minority young males..much more than any other category..kids, usually minority, are next. I hear of very few older adults getting hurt or killed by random street violence. After all, how much money will some little old lady have on her?

	03-08-2003 12:20									#115
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of course another solution would be to always carry "weed".....

Dried herbs look like the real thing....

	03-08-2003 12:21									#116
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Know what you mean. Mugged at gunpoint myself. I had mug money in my pocket, though, which is a very good practice. They only made off with a $20 and didn't hit me or anything. The guys who mugged me couldn't have been older than 16. Like you, I couldn't get a good description, even though I think I got a good look at them. Mugging just addles your brain sometimes, I guess.

As for firearms, personally I have taken different approaches (mug money, moving out of bad neighborhoods when I was able to afford it, etc.) and have been successful so far in not losing anything of real value to me.

	03-08-2003 12:22									#117
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AH:

i know thats whats ironic... if i smoked weed and had some on me (saturday night... i probably wouldve), maybe i wouldnt have gotten mugged...

	03-08-2003 12:24									#118
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The thing Speer is, that even if you are broke now, you won;t be after a few weeks of working..but getting badly hurt will cost a hell of a lot (even with medical insurance), and getting killed is permanent. IN the grand shceme of things, doing anything that might increase the posibility that next time (if unfortunitelly there is a next time) you might be seriously hurt or fataly injured really needs to be exmained very, very closely.

So if you decide to get a gun, make sure everything is legal, and that you have extensive training in how to use it, and when to use it.

It might be worthwile to go to a local precint and talk to some cops about the idea.

	03-08-2003 12:29									#119
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with that mugging money thing... i actually do that but only when i got a huge amount of money... when i got over 200 on me, i put most of it in my shoe... i shouldve done that this time but i dont know. i had used the atm recently and was planning to go buy something which i cant seem to remember now what it was...

maybe you're right, gepap... maybe i dont need a gun... i was talking about a gun recently with someone who had just done a gig in kensignton and he said how he was packing there and i said i dont really know if you need a gun like that but he said he thought he did and i began to think maybe i do but i dont know... a couple hundred is a bit of money and i'm too broke now to spend much more money but a gun might be real handy one day soon. i'll have to sleep on it and ask some people what they think.

	03-08-2003 12:37									#120
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i'm talking to my boy who said that it sounds like they thought i was a drug dealer. what with the determination to get weed and ****