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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:30
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Dans:
like i said... money wasnt there goal... they wanted weed so it really do sound like what my boy thinks is what happened... they thought i was a dealer who they could rob of his goods.
Chegitz:
i dont know... right now the main problem i got with a gun is the pretty high cost. that might make me not get one especially cause i got to buy my own food and rent and all that now or soon.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:30
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In the future, when you're getting mugged like that, where they don't have a weapon, shout "FIRE!" at the top of your lungs. People won't come looking if you yell help, but if you yell fire, well ****, fire could hurt them, they gotta find out where the fire is. Plus, people like to watch fires. Criminals hate attention, so the more attention you can attact, the better off you'll be.
Still, you did the smartest thing you could do. I'm glad you had the presence of mind to give up your wallet.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:30
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chegitz:
yeah people always think i smoke or deal or something (i'm talking about nearly every person i know until they get to know how conservative i am)... i mean just the stereotype of a puerto rican (i aint rican but i look it) and the fact that my eyes are chinky (i've had people tell me that i got to smoke cause how would my eyes get like that?)... it was all about the weed... not the money.
it is a bit surprising though how far they went for weed... crack or something like that happens all the time but weed? i dont know.
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:30
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chegitz:
there was numerous witnesses... a man and a woman was at their front stoop half a block away and the guy first asked me for weed four feet in front of them... and a couple people driving in cars did a u-turn after the incident to ask if i was alright... people saw it but no one helped... thats kind of typical what with the danger and the attitude (which ill admit i had) that someone whose getting beat down probably deserved it
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Albert Speer
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Puerile Polemic
Mar 1999
time: 00:30
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damnit i cant ****ing eat! my jaw is killing me everytime i chew...
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:30
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Albert: If your jaw hurts, I'd see a doctor - you may have a fracture or something.
I do what Alexander's Horse suggests, buy a cheap wallet, perhaps put a few faked notes that look like originals at first glance in it.
Perhaps the gun is going a little too far, I do understand, but what would your neighbourhood be like if everyone had a gun?
A self-defence class may be a good idea, aikedo is pretty good for hand-hand combat, for example if someone tries to soc you. You could also buy some mace  . I think its illegal here in the UK, not sure about the states, but if you get a load of malt vinegar, marinade some chillis (split down the middle) in the acid, then siphon off the liquid and put it into a small spray thing. Aim for the eyes, it'll have a similar effect to mace.
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SpencerH
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Co-Ruler of my patch of land south of Birmingham Alabama
Feb 2002
time: 23:30
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Here's my $.02 for what its worth.
Your alive enough to have a painful jaw. Thats saying something, it could have been worse. The pain'll go away in a few days.
Unless people are commonly mugged for some weed where you live, I think the idea about the dealer thing seems reasonable. Else, why do people keep asking you for some? Are you known for giving out freebies, are is it a cultural thing where you live?
Dont carry any weapon of any kind unless you're willing and able to use it. In this case, I doubt it would have helped, and it might have made it worse. You weren't prepared for an attack.
It sounds like you were lulled into believing that you weren't a target by virtue of where you've grown up. Dont kid yourself, most inner city crimes against blacks are committed by their black neighbors. On a per capita basis, Birmingham AL is in the top ten deadly cities, but where I live (15 min south) has almost no crime at all except around the malls. My point is that the gangs dont drive over here (black youths driving south in older cars are very quickly stopped by the police) and I dont drive over there.
When I first moved to Birmingham (not where I am now) I had to buy my groceries from a store about a half mile away and carry them back. I never had a lick of problems despite walking through some bad areas. Maybe I was lucky, but maybe it was because I didnt look like a target. After all, it wasnt every day those folks got to see a 5'6" 220lb (muscular) white guy in a T-shirt and shorts carrying 100lbs of groceries down the street through a thunderstorm while muttering to himself.
Your best defense is staying alert. I assess everyone on the street as a potential threat and I even scan the rooftops, but then for me old habits die hard.
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lightblue
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
time: 05:30
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Build up some muscle.
I used to live in one of the roughest areas of Manchester (and probably the UK), and although I was a white student living in the middle of a largely Afro Carribean and Pakistani community renowned for its violence and crime, i never got mugged. I am 6'5" and about 220lbs (now, back then more like 190), and carry myself like a lot of athletes do. In fact, people used to cross the street at night when I was walking on the same side of the road as them. My shorter and skinnier friends used to get mugged fairly regularly, usually at knife point.
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Whaleboy
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
time: 05:30
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A good strategy, but its not easy depending on your surroundings. Muggers here, and presumably in the states, will be less likely to target you if you look like you can fight back. I am 5'11, heavy built and capable of doing some damage, so I guess I'm not the safest guy to pick a fight with. However, if you are attacked, there are a number of things you can do. If they start with the usual provacative crap, and you want a peaceful solution, say stuff like "hey come on I'll buy you a beer and we can talk about it" (believe it or not its worked!  ). The more fun solution is more forceful, this is some quick stuff if you dont want to do proper martial arts.
If you can cope with the stigma, knee or kick him in the family jewels. Needs no further explanation. To temporarily incapacitate him, chop (side of hand away from thumb, hand slightly curved inwards) him in the neck. He'll instinctively step back and then you can take out his knees, soc him, or fork his eyes. The fork to eyes takes practise (draw eyes a realistic distance apart on a punch bag or cushion), but it works very well. Fairly obvious really. Probably the most successful if you can pull it off, he's defenseless if blind, most of these people don't actually know how to fight beyond street style, which is lame. Standard punches are good, however, if you want to go for a softer area like stomach, kidneys or groin, instead of head and ribs, bend your fingers at their first joint up from the hand, not the knuckles. This will create a sharper point of impact so you can deliver more force to a smaller surface area, increasing likelihood of internal bleeding or organ damage, and at least wind them badly. DO NOT KICK! unless they are bent down or his groin is an easy target. You must remain balanced and kicking will compromise that. Be careful, any shots to the head and neck can kill, but of course, when you're in that situation, there are no rules except, survive.
C0ckney: Don't worry, I'm harmless
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our_man
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Glasgow, Scotland
Oct 2000
time: 05:30
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AS, a gun is not the answer. The best thing you can try to do in a situation like this is run (if you're able to). If you have a weapon, you'll just be tempted to try and fight, which might not be the most prudent choice. In all probability the muggers will also be armed. Only fight if you've no other choice; I'd recommend taking up a martial art over buying a gun.
Someone attempted to mug me once, but the situation wasn't really comparable. For a start it was in broad daylight (10am), but it began with him telling me to "relax". Some 16 year old kid. He then demanded "20 euro or my mobile phone". He also added that he had several friends across the road. Instead of walking away, like an idiot I ended up engaging him in conversation, telling him I didn't have a mobile, and that I needed my money for my bus fare. I then said "sorry" and walked off. Lucky for me he turned out to be bluffing.
Funny what issues from your mouth when put in a situation like that. 
Spiffor makes an excellent point about walking. If you walk with purpose, i.e. quickly and with your head up, you'll look like a tougher prospect, and the muggers will look for a less easier target. I was strolling when that fellow tried me on for size.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:30
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AS, I'm sorry this happened to you man... I havent' been mugged, but my buddy has been and I know it's scary stuff and it's tougher mentally. He had hard time to sleep for a while, not wanting to go outside etc.. and he is a grown man. So it must be tough.
If I really really needed a gun to carry it around so I'd be safe.. man I'd move the hell out of where I was. I don't know, maybe this is not a possibility to you. Gun might be good idea, but then again I'm not sure. You might end up shooting somebody and getting into trouble, or someone shooting you because you had the gun.. and if this is everyday stuff there.. I don't know, it's your call.
I don't know if you should thumb the attacker in the eye with full power as David suggested, as that is lethal and very dangerous. To the attacker. But then again I don't know what it's like there.. But it sure is effective and easy to do. Almost every guy well be shocked by the pain it creates, and because it's his eye, tender spot.
He'll either drop fast, but you can't let go until you know you have submitted the guy. So he won't go for guns after you let go, as most people will think it as a life threatning situation to have their eyes really pushed.
So you don't get a hurt psycho bear with a gun in his hands on you. Then again the pain won't go away and he can't see anything. Good with multiple attackers if they close on you and you have to take some punishment anyway. Drop the first guy in matter of few seconds, and focus on the other guy. He will be scared of you right away, as it looked brutal and he knows he's going to be hurt BAD. So attackers might get even more aggressive as they fear you now, so control space, quick glance over the area if there are something handy next to you, like a trash can, crow bars, anything. Take it up and start being all godzilla on them. When you have the first chance to flee, RUN.
You could ask David about what there could be for you to learn this stuff properly. It doesn't match gun, but it doesn't hurt to be able to give serious damage without weapons. Many are lethal, easy and very effective on streest, on multiple attackers etc.
Listen, I don't know if you read or not, but I was confronted with 3 opponents next to my parents house and had to take them down. The idea is to know what you're doing, and your chances increase many times.
You still might lose the situation, but you have good chances of winning, you have self confidence and if only one or two attackers, you can possibly control the situation, and that makes the other guys recievers.
So there are big mofos, strong guys who knows how to brawl? No worries, that's the other case I posted here too, had a small confrontation with that bouncer who was whailing on my buddy, and ended up him going inside an ambulance. So.. my point is you can defend yourself if you learn the right stuff, and you will understand it when you go there, you know 'this **** is real!'.
I suggest you do that, or get a gun, or the best, move somewhere else.
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:30
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Just don't be easy target, look like a guy who will be giving troubles if attacked. But don't over do it, so people won't challenge you.
Pretty much people said here, avoid walking alone etc..
ALso, if you get the attacker down, and you're in control, don't hesitate to kick in his groin, don't hesitate to teach a lesson. But don't over do it. It is studied and study shows, that most muggers and robbers goes for victim they think they can beat. So don't look scared, don't look like a victim. Some people will beat you just for that, they hate scared people. Don't be afraid to punish attackers, don't think 'they'll get only more angry if I hit back'.. man that's not true! If you're in full brawl, remember to be NASTY. Thumb eyes, you can even grab his testicles and squeeze REAL hard, strike in the ear, grab his ear and yank it SUPER HARD, if you think you might get killed, strike throat, grab the adams apple and force your fingers to connect on the other side of the adams apple and yank towards yourself. You are likely to kill this man by doing this, but if you're the one getting killed, it's better you do it.
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Dr Strangelove
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quote:
Originally posted by David Floyd
Move to a safer area.
Or buy a gun - that would definitely be good.
Can you afford to enroll in self defense courses? I can recommend several street-effective styles. |
They grabbed his hands and then frisked him, so not only could he have not fought them off, he could not have used his gun either. Instead, you can imagine what would have happened if this crazy pair had found a gun on him! I mean, they continued to beat him, demanding his weed, even after they had searched him. Did they think he carried his dope up his a**? Crazy. This is just thesort of situation where having a gun would have been suicidal.
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Wernazuma III
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Decolonize!
Aug 2000
time: 06:30
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quote:
Originally posted by SlowwHand
Some of you guys need to figure out wtf you're doing wrong.
I have never, not ever, been "mugged", and I've walked alone in some fairly dangerous areas.
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Pure luck. I've walked alone through pretty dangerous areas, whether Santiago de Chile barrios or areas in Peru where you'd better not be white and alone and nothing happened. I got the **** beaten out of myself during daylight on a not little frequented street in my city, which is a pretty safe place. Don't think you're immune, you just had luck, although there surely are ways to avoid trouble. But then again I guess Albert knows about those ways living in downtown Philly...
But on the gun issue: I have to conclude with chegitz, they make everything worse. Just imagine, would you have been able to use it in that specific situation in order to deter those freaks? Or would they have noticed while you were drawing it, taking it away from you and then get REALLY angry having their guns or your gun instead of "just" beating you up. Being in a shooting is almost always worse. And again, when you shoot at them and can't prove it was pure self defence, it's YOU who'll go to jail.
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03-08-2003 12:39
You've done a good job of keeping on the straight and narrow path which will lead you to a happier life so don't throw it away because of those punk ass *****es.
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