04-09-2003 01:04									#241
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re creativiy and depression - this is a more significant question wrt to medicating for dysthymia/minor depression, etc. I doubt many people produce much while in a major depression.

	04-09-2003 01:06									#242
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True...but this whole having 25% of our population on legally recognised pills to make them cheerier, and 25% others on illegal pills to have them a good time on Fris and Sats is a very sorry state. We are storing up trouble for the future and some of the problems are already coming through now.

	04-09-2003 01:06									#243
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Actually, I think I need to go back on the real meds. I really can't stand the thought of leaving home these days. I'm actually disappointed when my contract gets renewed, because that means I have to keep leaving my safe place.

yup , that would sound like depression even in someone without a prior history. Time to at least check in with a professional.

	04-09-2003 01:06									#244
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Actually, I'm rather anti-therapy. I don't like the idea of a professional friend. I can't bring myself to trust the person who is acting all concerned and **** only cuz I'm paying them.

Theoretically, therapy is a good thing, but unfortunately, it is done by fallable humans who bring all sorts of misconceptions of their own with them.

	04-09-2003 01:07									#245
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue True...but this whole having 25% of our population on legally recognised pills to make them cheerier,

source please?

as for illegal pills, thats irrelevant.

	04-09-2003 01:08									#246
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He's confusing the fact that as many as 25% of the population may be suffering from depression with the idea that we're all on pills.

	04-09-2003 01:09									#247
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion People keep telling me I'm an evil, bad person. I always knew it's bullshit. Now I've read about you guys and finally I can be certain I've met the true evil. You guys are the worst outcome of society, not me. I'm not to blame for my fate, you are.

Uh, hi.

	04-09-2003 01:10									#248
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Alcohol is a legal drug Bodds, in fact one I abhor more as I see more. It causes so much destruction and violence and other social problems yet for some reason you don't seem to have anything against this drug which, like any other drug, if abused as I know you do can have serious effects...you must see these things with parity...

	04-09-2003 01:10									#249
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Just how many ****ed up people do we have in this world due to artificialness

	04-09-2003 01:11									#250
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quote: Alcohol is a legal drug Bodds, in fact one I abhor more as I see more. It causes so much destruction and violence and other social problems yet for some reason you don't seem to have anything against this drug which, like any other drug, if abused as I know you do can have serious effects...you must see these things with parity...

The country isn't paying for you to get pissed.

	04-09-2003 01:12									#251
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Actually, I'm rather anti-therapy. I don't like the idea of a professional friend. I can't bring myself to trust the person who is acting all concerned and **** only cuz I'm paying them. Theoretically, therapy is a good thing, but unfortunately, it is done by fallable humans who bring all sorts of misconceptions of their own with them.

A therapist ideally should be more than a pro friend. They should contribute real solutions, that a friend might not think of. and they should be objective in a way its hard for a friend to be. and sometimes it should be possible to admit things to them that would be hard to admit to a friend. Its nice to get legal advice from a friend, but even better to get it from a lawyer. Its nice to get financial advice from a friend - but sometimes better from an accountant. and its great to get advice on thoughts, feelings, and life steps from a friend - but sometimes better from a professional.

But they do bring misconceptions - IMO it takes months to "break in" a therapist, and some cant be broken in at all.

and nothing sucks more than when youve found a good therapist, who you work well with, and then they leave for personal/career reasons

	04-09-2003 01:12									#252
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Rich, if I ever get to the UK and there's a Poly meet, don't invite Stewie.

	04-09-2003 01:13									#253
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara He's confusing the fact that as many as 25% of the population may be suffering from depression with the idea that we're all on pills.

i thought that number was lifetime, not 25% at any one time. Of course lots of people in recovery stay on meds for some time.

	04-09-2003 01:13									#254
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It seems it's all the left wingers who want to drug themselves up to the eyeballs just to cope with life as they see it.

	04-09-2003 01:16									#255
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue It seems it's all the left wingers who want to drug themselves up to the eyeballs just to cope with life as they see it.

That's because right wingers think pain is normal, and they spend their lives trying to inflict as much of it as possible.

	04-09-2003 01:17									#256
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I don't believe how endlessly Bodds keeps going on about this stuff. Have you read any neurochemistry stuff? Do you know the mechanisms of clinical depression? Do you know what an SSRI does? Until you do, shut up...

	04-09-2003 01:18									#257
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara That's because right wingers think pain is normal, and they spend their lives trying to inflict as much of it as possible.

No, it's that we don't falsely create victims so that they can be drugged to "feel better".

	04-09-2003 01:19									#258
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quote: Originally posted by Provost Harrison I don't believe how endlessly Bodds keeps going on about this stuff. Have you read any neurochemistry stuff? Do you know the mechanisms of clinical depression? Do you know what an SSRI does? Until you do, shut up...

Funny, you seem quite happy to spout about economics.

	04-09-2003 01:19									#259
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How is it that Stewie manages to keep from being beaten on a regular basis?

	04-09-2003 01:20									#260
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quote: Originally posted by Soul Survivor Hell, I was depressed for 6+ months, and it had significantly impacted my life - lost lots of friends, grades went down the tubes, hardly did anything; but I got over it without any artificial means and now I think the experience made me stronger as a person.

Of course the same is true of most physical ailments - you'll get over most infections eventually, without antibiotics. And you probably wont lose as much productivity, make as much of a hash of things, while under the weather with Pneumonia as in a clinical depression. and antidepressants, whatever else they do, dont create drug resistant germs

So AD's are almost certainly LESS over prescribed than antibiotics.

	04-09-2003 01:20									#261
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara How is it that Stewie manages to keep from being beaten on a regular basis?

Becuase I use rationality rather than emotion, "Che".

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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Funny, you seem quite happy to spout about economics.

I know a damn sight more about economics than you do about neurochemistry, that is the fact of the matter

	04-09-2003 01:22									#263
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue No, it's that we don't falsely create victims so that they can be drugged to "feel better".

plenty of conservatives acknowledge depression and the need to treat it.

A conservative is someone who believes that mental health care should be paid for by the private sector, and not paid for or mandated by the govt. Someone who doesnt think depression is real is not a conservative, just an idiot.

	04-09-2003 01:23									#264
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quote: Originally posted by lord of the mark So AD's are almost certainly LESS over prescribed than antibiotics.

Danmit, that's right. Why didn't I remember that? Grrrr.

	04-09-2003 01:23									#265
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Yeah, you know enough about neurochemistry to get you an £11k job doing filing and admin duties.

I'll earn £220 this week.

	04-09-2003 01:26									#266
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Yeah, you know enough about neurochemistry to get you an £11k job doing filing and admin duties. I'll earn £220 this week.

I'll earn $960 this week, but only cuz we had a day off for Labor Day. Guess that makes you thrice as dumb as me, *******.

	04-09-2003 01:26									#267
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I earn more than that, Stewie, so can it.

	04-09-2003 01:27									#268
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Wages are pretty low in northern England guys... as are prices.

	04-09-2003 01:27									#269
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economics - in a rational free market, people wont pay for what is not of value to them.

In the US, companies are not required to provide health insurance, but do so to attract and retain employees. In most states they are not required to provide mental health benefits.

Nonetheless most do - despite the fact that these benefits are costly. Presumably they do so since the absence of mental health benefits would impair their ability to attract/retain employees. Ergo, employees/job seekers are assigning value to such benefits in their labor market decisions.

And since employees/job seekers are rational in their labor market behavior, it follows that mental health care IS of value. QED.

	04-09-2003 01:29									#270
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quote: And since employees/job seekers are rational in their labor market behavior

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