02-09-2003 02:55									#181
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We really didn't need to know that.

	02-09-2003 03:08									#182
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four times a day isn't too much, I've had more before

and yes, anti depressant medication does a good job here. shows how overstressed we are usually...

	02-09-2003 03:21									#183
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Paxil was developed by the same company as the company that developed Viagra. Wonder if there's any connexion?

	02-09-2003 07:42									#184
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quote: Originally posted by st_swithin I used to be on Zoloft for years, until the side effects outweighed the benefits of comfortable synthetic numbness. These days I'm usually pissed-off and moody instead of chemically indifferent, but I find that that is a much more natural state of being for me, and it's really helped my writing. Now all I gotta do is find a brilliant-yet-predictably-stable-and-independently-wealthy muse to move in with, have a rocky and tumultuous relationship, develop a SERIOUS drinking problem, get kicked out, crawl back, get kicked out again, crawl into the bottle, crawl out of the bottle, pen The Great American Novel, and finally become rich and famous based on my own merits and not those of my wealthy benefactor. If only my name was Chuck Palahnuik - that would solve all my problems and I'd have achieved everything I ever set out to do by the time I'm 30 years old. THIS IS WHY YOU SHOULD STAY AWAY FROM DRUGS, KIDS. Just say no! Stay in school! And whatever you do, DON'T TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!!!

That's so crazy that it just might work!

	02-09-2003 07:44									#185
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Who says it didn't?

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	02-09-2003 07:53									#186
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quote: Originally posted by Carlos113 I think if the source of depression is really from a bad synapsis (sp?) in your brain then you can´t fix it by "facing your fears", "tough it up" "whatever" IMHO, same as you can´t fight a bad infection without antibiotics (well you can try but...). Edit: But I agree with this too, If the problem isn´t severe, wich is something that a profesional should judge, not a bunch of people in a web forum , then you don´t need them... as somebody else said meditate or something, spend more time with your family, friends, etc.

Yes, get yourself to a physician and have him / her decide exactly what sort of problem you have. A lot of people are depressed for physiological reasons, and all the bucking it up or therapy in the world isn't going to help them with that.

	02-09-2003 08:03									#187
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Asher, in many cases medication is indicated. In many it is not. The problem is that the medical community is predisposed toward medication. In your case the medication may be the best solution. It is not insensitive to suggest that in other cases medication may not be the best answer. Given the emerging data on the long term effects, one would be wise to consult all options before deciding on a treatment option. Simply going to see a professional and letting them decide is an abdictation of you responsibility to yourself.

What a load of crap. The professional isn't going to decide anything for you, you have to do that. What they will do is give you their opinion of what is wrong and suggest a treatment plan. You can take it or leave it, they aren't going to let you decide your own treatment plan if they disagree with it. So the only ways that someone is going to end up on anti-depressants who shouldn't be are these:

1) Misdiagnosis. If you are afraid that you have been misdiagnosed or just careful, get a second opinion.

2) Malpractice. Either your doctor made a stupid mistake, or he is unethical. Sue him and find someone else.

3) The current standard of care is the best we have, but it changes as new evidence and techniques come to light. Perhaps in the future these drugs will be considered to be less than optimal. They might even be considered dangerous. Based upon our current data however they are a lot less dangerous than the chance that you will commit suicide if you don't treat your depression. Add to that the improvement in the quality of life that many people here have testified to and taking the drugs seems a reasonable risk.

	02-09-2003 08:06									#188
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i got off lexapro. i'm not dizzy in the mornings anymore. i'm back on wellbutrin... four weeks before they really start working....

i feel like i'm sinking...

maybe things will look better in the morning.

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	02-09-2003 15:23									#189
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maybe we should all commit collective suicide

	02-09-2003 15:32									#190
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I never thought I'd see 'Poly turn into a suicide cult

	02-09-2003 18:23									#191
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka I'm on PAXIL, and I HAVEN'T HAD AN EJACULATION SINCE FOUR (4) TIMES YESTERDAY

My girlfriend is very angry that I'm on Lexapro.

	02-09-2003 18:30									#192
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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael I've observed my lack of motivation, my disinterest in doing things beneficial to myself, my lack of desire to even do the things I'm supposed to love (reading and writing).

That sounds an awful lot like me.

	02-09-2003 21:23									#193
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I was on Wellbutrin for about 2 months - then the seizures started, and I was hospitalised as epileptic before one orderly was intelligent enough to look in my stuff and found the Wellbutrin. He'd been in a clinical study for the crap, and he'd had seizures as well.

	02-09-2003 22:16									#194
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Yeah, Wellbutrin's a load of crap. Nobody should judge the usefulness of antidepressants based on its example.
And we couldn't possibly be a suicide cult. We'd disagree about how to kill ourselves. Bods would strike every method we came up with until we found one that hadn't been used for lynching by the KKK, Swithy would refuse OD pills and suggest alternatives nobody would be able to understand, many of us would argue against various methods for their poor symbolism, Obiwan and Albert Speer would get into a fight over what deity we were sacrificing ourselves to, Sava would make fun of both of them, Ned would interject periodic provisos about getting the Pope's approval...we couldn't even solve the problem by killing each other, because Ming wouldn't let us. Let's face it; as a group, we are too contrary for death to handle.

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quote: I never thought I'd see 'Poly turn into a suicide cult

I'm game if you are! Anything to avoid college!

Simple solution, we recognise depressives for the superior beings we are, giving us near omnipotence. That way, the world will be run by people who know how to do it, and we get to exorcise our demons by the application of absolute power!

	03-09-2003 00:53									#196
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i've been on effexsor(150mg), wellbutrin, zoloft(300mg) and a bunch of others i don't remember. the 3 i mentioned i was on for a few months at a time and they all seemed to have similair effects of making me into a semi-functioning human being from a non-fuctioning one. i was on a few(of what?) for only a day or two each when i was hospitalized. the only one with major negative side effects was zoloft which made me gain about ~50 lbs very quickly. after i went off zoloft i went back to my normal weight without any trouble. pretty much all the antidepressants i've taken have given my stomach aches for a few days at first but after that i've fine.

meds did help me quite a bit at first but nothing i've taken has really had any staying power. it seems like i'm practically immune to antidepressants now. compared to how powerful they were at first(euphoria type feelings usually, now i understand why people take drugs!), it's amazing how i've adjusted to them.

	03-09-2003 00:55									#197
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That's the problem - a dependency culture.

People can't sort out their own problems.

	03-09-2003 01:27									#198
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue That's the problem - a dependency culture. People can't sort out their own problems.

Quite right. I saw that add for social whatnot disorder, and the symptoms were exactly the same as another common problem: adolesence .

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yes but some of us with social anxiety have those problems into their 30's. And 100 times worse.

You are supposed to grow out of being self concious about yourself, but I haven't.


On the plus side it has motivated me to lose weight and get to my ideal weight

	03-09-2003 02:46									#200
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I was never self conscious.

I just hated people.

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quote: Originally posted by Dissident yes but some of us with social anxiety have those problems into their 30's. And 100 times worse. You are supposed to grow out of being self concious about yourself, but I haven't. On the plus side it has motivated me to lose weight and get to my ideal weight

Yes, now I was very stable and well balanced in my teenage years, had very little problems associated with adolescence...probably how I managed to get on so well educationally, but I seem to have 'grown up' less than my peers (in a good way), but my anxiety and depression started from about the age of 18 onwards...

	03-09-2003 02:54									#202
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I have no depression really- though I'm far from a happy person.


They say depressed people get sick more often. But I never get sick. I have a really strong immune system.

I was only depressed in 1995 and 1996.

Now it's just a problem of social anxiety.

If I drink enough anxiety isn't much of a problem. But self-medicating with alcohol does have it's problems. It makes me very irritable for days after drinking- even if I have no hangover. It makes getting through the day much harder if I'm not drinking.

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quote: That's the problem - a dependency culture. People can't sort out their own problems.

Be very grateful that you don't understand.

quote: That sounds an awful lot like me.

Seconded.. except writing, but I need escapism.

I'm off the stuff now and just "going with it". Going down unfortunately but every cloud...

	03-09-2003 03:13									#204
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quote: Originally posted by st_swithin Paxil was developed by the same company as the company that developed Viagra. Wonder if there's any connexion?

Yes, Viagra fixes the problems that Paxil causes.

	03-09-2003 03:37									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident I have no depression really- though I'm far from a happy person. They say depressed people get sick more often. But I never get sick. I have a really strong immune system. I was only depressed in 1995 and 1996. Now it's just a problem of social anxiety. If I drink enough anxiety isn't much of a problem. But self-medicating with alcohol does have it's problems. It makes me very irritable for days after drinking- even if I have no hangover. It makes getting through the day much harder if I'm not drinking.

Alcohol could have a long term depressive effect on me if it gave me a downer...

Also since taking the prozac, my immune system has been on better form too...

	03-09-2003 06:27									#206
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Lori, why do you need anti depressant if you have a girlfriend?

	03-09-2003 06:28									#207
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some people are just self-pitying... you guys can be successfuk at everything and still cry for help / use anti depressants

Pekka

Lorizael

Zylka

	03-09-2003 07:41									#208
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quote: Originally posted by st_swithin I was on Wellbutrin for about 2 months - then the seizures started, and I was hospitalised as epileptic before one orderly was intelligent enough to look in my stuff and found the Wellbutrin. He'd been in a clinical study for the crap, and he'd had seizures as well.

So what actually happens when you have a seizure?

Do you like lose consciouness?

	03-09-2003 08:45									#209
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actually I believe they are awake during seizures. That's the scary part about them. You know what's going on, you just can't do anything about it.

	03-09-2003 09:13									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Lori, why do you need anti depressant if you have a girlfriend?

quote: some people are just self-pitying... you guys can be successfuk at everything and still cry for help / use anti depressants

Because my girlfriend, oddly enough, has no effect on the chemical imbalance in my head. Yes, I do have a relatively good life, but that doesn't change the fact that there is something wrong with my brain.

Btw, I never cried for help. In fact, I did all I could to convince people that I wasn't depressed. And, actually, that's one of the symptons of depression; you don't want to help yourself.