01-09-2003 02:41									#151
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Look, it was nothing personal. I just resent being treated like a complete t***. I may be one, but you dont have to make me feel like one

	01-09-2003 03:24									#152
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Does that count as an engraved invitation?

	01-09-2003 03:31									#153
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Si

	01-09-2003 03:45									#154
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Send a limo, then, cuz we ain't walking.

	01-09-2003 03:48									#155
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Hey, you just keep your people off the streets and out of their Toyota Camrys!!!

	01-09-2003 03:50									#156
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I don't know WHAT you're talking about. I would NEVER send my peeps out in camrys. They'd at least get RAV4's.

Or maybe mini-coopers. But who gives a sh1t about those, anyway?

	01-09-2003 03:53									#157
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	01-09-2003 03:58									#158
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Advice from E2:
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When taking Lexapro, you should have regular checkups with your physician and/or psychiatrist. DO NOT EXCEED THE RECOMMENDED DOSE or take this medicine for longer than prescribed. Drug therapy should also be accompanied with counseling or psychotherapy.
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Continue to take Lexapro even if you do not immediately feel better. Although some people notice improvement in a week or two, it can take about 4 weeks before you feel the full effect of Lexapro.
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If you have been taking Lexapro regularly for some time, do not suddenly stop taking it. You must gradually reduce the dose, or your symptoms may get worse.
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When first starting Lexapro, use caution when driving until you know how Lexapro affects you.
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Avoid alcohol while on Lexapro. Not only is alcohol a depressant that will worsen symptoms of depression, but while taking Lexapro, alcohol may be more intoxicating or more depressive than usual.
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Do not combine Lexapro with MAO inhibitors (also called MAOIs: examples are Nardil, Parnate, Marplan, and Eldepryl). Allow a couple of weeks between use of Lexapro or Celexa, and use of an MAOI. Use caution when combining tricyclic antidepressants (TCAs) with Lexapro.
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Lexapro is the active isomer of Celexa, therefore the two drugs should not be taken at the same time.
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Lexapro is usually taken once a day, with water.
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If you miss a dose, take the missed dose as soon as possible. If it is almost time for your next dose, skip the missed dose and go back to your regular dosing schedule. Do not take 2 doses at once.

	01-09-2003 12:46									#159
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yeah but what about Effexor

	01-09-2003 19:31									#160
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Here you go:

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Effexor does indeed have a relatively short half-life, which means that the onset of SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome is quite rapid after eliminating or lowering your dosage of the drug. However, with proper supervision, one can titrate off of the stuff with few if any side effects and no lasting changes; it just takes several weeks of fairly careful dose modifications as opposed to a few days (or worse, immediate) cessation.

I have found Effexor to be a noticeably different drug than the other SSRIs which I have experienced. Unlike Zoloft, the short half-life and severe symptoms mentioned by NeuralTangle make life on Effexor essentially a twisted version of addiction. When your entire encephalic functionality depends on ingesting the proper dose of the stuff daily, you will find that you will need to bring an addict's focussed monomania to your logistical planning in order to avoid the sort of crash more usually associated with heroin or other nastiness. While getting more of the stuff isn't nearly as problematic, I find that this simply contributes to the tendency to avoid proper planning, which results in my running out of supply just as I have reached maximum temporal and spatial distance from a decent pharmacist.

The actual intended effects of the drug are harder to convey. It does provide a 'brighter' and 'more flexible' effect than Zoloft, at least in my case. On the outset, that seemed a good thing. However, there is a distinct and unpleasant schizophrenic effect - schizo in the classic sense of becoming detached from one's emotional impulses and responses, as opposed to the more common (and incorrect) usage describing multiple personality disorder.

I find that I just don't care.

I cannot get anything done that requires connecting the action with any form of abstract motivation (such as, you'll lose weight, you'll be happier in the end, you need to do this because it will help you carry out a more detailed plan, etc. etc.) The link between volition and any form of emotional or even analytical expectation or prediction is shattered completely. As a result, I find myself unable to meet deadlines, unable to complete projects, unwilling to take care of basic but abstract tasks, or in factdo anything at all that doesn't offer immediate results (I'd say gratification, but that's not the only emotion involved).

At this point, the effect of this stuff is far worse than that of Zoloft. After the fifth month, I find myself in constant danger of doing stupid things that might jeopardize my job, creditworthiness, trustworthiness, or even family relationships - not out of pique, but simply through my inability to carry out promised or assigned (or even commonsense expected) tasks.

At a higher level, there is a complete shutdown of most of what I might term my more 'artistic' outlets for my emotions. I cannot write; I can't play keyboard (I usually improvise) and I am entirely unable to hack on projects useful or fun.

While this is an improvement over the Zoloft, I must say that I find myself wishing that Effexor was limited to use as a 'recovery' drug, or an agent used solely to effect a single change or at least a single period of change in the patient, before the numbing effects described above can set it. On the other hand, I'm not sure what my options would be - Zoloft eventually reached the same stage of sheer disconnectedness for me, so I have to wonder if it's truly this particular compound or rather a symptom peculiar to my personal version of depression.

In any case, be warned about the 'side effects' and always, always do your own research about the stuff. I'm not trained, and none of this information can substitute for the advice of a professional and personal experience.


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I am on 150mg of Effexor daily. My doctor prescribed it to curb my bipolar disorder (manic depression). At first, I was convinced it did absolutely nothing, I was still miserable one second and giddy and psychopathic the next. After about 3 weeks, this very gooey feeling of well-being slid over my mind, shattering the depression and the insanity I felt at both ends of the mental spectrum. Now I have been on this prescription drug for one whole year, and have discovered the disturbing side effects. If I happen to forget to drop a little brown horsepill (Effexor, of course) in the morning, I will slowly throughout the day freak out little by little, starting with a headache, slowly increasing to muscle twitches and finally absolute paranoia with delusions. I believe my brain has stopped creating any brain chemicals at all, dependant on this prescription drug. My doctor never told me any of this. Now I'm screwed. What if I want to get off it? What if I want to stop taking a pill every day? What happens then? Effexor works, but it's permanent. Never-ending. Permeates your life. You aren't you on Effexor.
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Remember, talk to real people. I can't vouch for the correctness of any of this information

	01-09-2003 19:35									#161
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I have lost weight recently, can't confirm the indifference though.

I hope it's NOT permanent I'm on 75

	01-09-2003 19:36									#162
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That Effexor looks like serious shite...
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	01-09-2003 19:37									#163
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nah.... my doc put me on it as a first step, befor etrying anything else, can't be too bad

	01-09-2003 19:38									#164
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ah well, I use different medication from Effexor, it's just equivalent because of the same agent.

maybe my manufacturer makes better Effexor than yours

	01-09-2003 19:43									#165
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Of course, this isn't from personal experience

	01-09-2003 21:17									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Link? Yet your own source suggests that 60-70% benefit from taking it....

Do you understand at all why medical studies use placebos?

You have to strip out from this 60-70% the amount of people who get better solely due to being told they are getting something to make them feel better, rather than through any inherent properties of the drug.

As many as 83% of those who benefitted "from" the anti-depressant would also have benfitted from a sugar pill.

	01-09-2003 21:33									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Do you understand at all why medical studies use placebos? You have to strip out from this 60-70% the amount of people who get better solely due to being told they are getting something to make them feel better, rather than through any inherent properties of the drug. As many as 83% of those who benefitted "from" the anti-depressant would also have benfitted from a sugar pill.

Funnily enough, being married to a clinical Pharmacist, yes I do. I also know about their limitations, hence drawing them to your attention.

Now find out at what point the gap between "placebo results" and recorded improvements is before the drug is considered clinically effective.

	01-09-2003 22:10									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Verres i had not realised i had posted in a forum full of such literal and rhetorically stunted individuals.

You'll realise that soon I always get it wrong though, sarcasm doesn't come across over the internet well

And Andy:

quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion behave, n00b

Be nice We were all n00bs once.

	02-09-2003 00:28									#169
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	02-09-2003 00:59									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Do you understand at all why medical studies use placebos? You have to strip out from this 60-70% the amount of people who get better solely due to being told they are getting something to make them feel better, rather than through any inherent properties of the drug. As many as 83% of those who benefitted "from" the anti-depressant would also have benfitted from a sugar pill.

Hmmm, well all trials are double-blind placebo controlled nowadays. And believe me, a lot of people with better knowledge and experience than your own have gone through this stuff. Believe me, these things wouldn't have got a licence from the MCA or FDA without significant knowledge of it's effects.

	02-09-2003 01:03									#171
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Yes, but do those charged with finding a cure for depression Rich actually truly want to find one? After all, then they'd be out of a job.

Therefore they might refuse to offer the best advice for getting out of a slump: eating well, exercising regularly and forcing yourself to get out there and do things around others.

	02-09-2003 01:03									#172
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I wouldn't even mind my anti-depressant being a placebo, as long as it is some sort of help. It's a bit like a kind of spiritualism if you know what I mean. It absolutely doesn't matter if it makes sense or not as long as you don't worry about it and pretend it does.

Maybe you should try SOME belief-based kind of action, Bodd's. Provost might not admit it, but swallowing happy pills because he knows so much about biochemistry is actually the same kind of thing

	02-09-2003 01:05									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Boddington's Yes, but do those charged with finding a cure for depression Rich actually truly want to find one? After all, then they'd be out of a job. Therefore they might refuse to offer the best advice for getting out of a slump: eating well, exercising regularly and forcing yourself to get out there and do things around others.

I do. But the thing you forget is that I don't always need the company of others to be entertained, that sometimes I just want to relax as I have a very busy job, and my colleagues and friends are in the same boat and they like to relax on an evening...besides I am currently giving TLC to my new system

	02-09-2003 01:08									#174
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should I take happy pills?

I have been thinking about Paxil or Zoloft for social anxiety. I keep seeing those commercials. But I don't like drugs. I don't even do caffeine anymore (though I did drink an espresso at the poly meet).

I have been trying to work through it without drugs, but haven't had much luck.

	02-09-2003 01:09									#175
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I don't find Apolyton relaxing.

	02-09-2003 01:11									#176
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Diss, ask a doc. Or 2 or 3, then decide. Only if it's bad though.

I decided to go for it when I realised that a suicide attempt (in planning and preparation if not execution anyway) is more than enough like a sign for something going wrong...

	02-09-2003 01:12									#177
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Well this is because you're taking it so seriously Stew...you get so wound up, and refuse to listen to people who may know something that you do not.

	02-09-2003 01:17									#178
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quote: Originally posted by Ecthelion Diss, ask a doc. Or 2 or 3, then decide. Only if it's bad though. I decided to go for it when I realised that a suicide attempt (in planning and preparation if not execution anyway) is more than enough like a sign for something going wrong...

	02-09-2003 01:24									#179
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quote: people who may know something that you do not.

	02-09-2003 02:32									#180
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I'm on PAXIL, and I HAVEN'T HAD AN EJACULATION SINCE FOUR (4) TIMES YESTERDAY