15-09-2003 18:24									#1
	O Sole Mio Succession Game Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

O Solo Mio (feel free to hum while playing)

A succession game dedicated to the memory of [SG 2].

We start off as lonely onlys -- we have one city and will maintain only one city (standard OCC rules -- restart advanced tribes, etc.) until 1750. After that, other cities may be founded, acquired, kept & used.

Deity, raging hordes, giga map, MGE, usual Poly rules apply.

Bloodlust.

20 turns each until 1750; a round of ten turns each; then 5 turns each thereafter.

4000 -- We start on Giga map, no free techs.

3900 Hut (38/64) = Horse

3700 Hut (36/70) = Chariot

3550 -- Found O Sole Mio -- I think that it will be four specials -- a Whale,
A Fish & Two hidden -- Lots of Grass, access to the sea.

3500 -- Hut (28/76) = 25g

3350 -- Discover CB (opt for Alpha over HBR)

3250 -- Barbs land north of city -- Settler runs east.
Hut (22/74) = WC -- now a hold on hut popping, as this becomes the "off tech"

3050 -- saved game. The barb archer & leader are chasing our hapless settler east -- a settler with many turns 'charged' of mining for a special. Our Horse is hot on the trail. The other archer died vs our Warrior in town.

Players

1. Old n Slow
2. SG [1]
3. La Fayette
4. STYOM
5. Cyrion
6. DaveV
7. JRabbit
8. Julius Brenzaida
9. Straybow
10. Zenon
11.

(edited for player list.)

Attachment: o sole mio.zip
This has been downloaded 7 time(s).

Last edited by Old n Slow on 29-09-2003 at 22:44

	15-09-2003 23:48									#2
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Hm. 5 current successions going on, all of them in stalled or near-stalled condition.

This looks fun but I think I'll hold off until we hear from [1].

	16-09-2003 00:27									#3
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Let's finish up a few before we start another.

	16-09-2003 01:27									#4
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Of the five I'm involved in, we waiting for a different person in each game.

My goal was to offer this (and to be appropriate, I wanted to offer this starting today) as something from us.

No hurry.

	17-09-2003 00:24									#5
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Thank you all - and I am in!

I hope to rejoin the community in the next few days - I haven't looked - am I up in any (?all?) of the other succession games?

SG[1]

	17-09-2003 02:03									#6
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HUZZAH!

	17-09-2003 02:36									#7
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A game dedicated to the memory of SG(2): you count me in, of course.

	17-09-2003 03:08									#8
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An OCC game with a Bloodlust goal. This is indeed a strange proposal. Strangely interesting, however...

Unfortunately, I do not currently have an MGE installation. I shall watch avidly from the sidelines.

My first comment, though, upon reading that you believe you have two hidden specials, is that one should be Silk, the other Pheasant. Get that Settler back and finish the Pheasant, which should be opposite from the Fish. It would help to know the coordinates of O Sole Mio.

	17-09-2003 05:58									#9
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If you'll have me, I'll join in, too. I freely admit to being no good at OCC's.

Perhaps I can focus for 10 turns at a time, though

	17-09-2003 11:29									#10
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I have been wanting to join a Succession Game with you guys for over a year, and always was too lazy to do it (though I read all thread and learned a lot; maybe not enough not to deserve a lot of criticism, but well...).

If you accept me, I would be honoured to play in a game dedicated to the memory of SG (2).

	17-09-2003 16:40									#11
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Sign me up. Are we going to try to build the Cure For Cancer in this game? I remember that wonder gained a significance for me that went way beyond its in-game value after my Mom died of cancer...

	17-09-2003 17:52									#12
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Lost my only OCC attempt. Here to learn how.
(insert obvious sentiment here)

	17-09-2003 19:32									#13
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We have:

1. Old n Slow
2. SG [1]
3. La Fayette
4. STYOM
5. Cyrion
6. DaveV
7. JRabbit
8.
9.

I'll edit the opening post in due time

Elephant -- Microcenter had Civ II MGE bundled with two other games for $6.00 as of a week or two ago -- if they are not in your area & you desire a package PM me here or at Cfc.

OCC guaranteed until 1750; optional thereafter.

	17-09-2003 21:03									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow OCC guaranteed until 1750; optional thereafter.

So, to make sure we play a full OCC, we only need to land before 1750...

	17-09-2003 21:27									#15
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Could be a little tight: you have lots of grass, which will help down the road once you get over 20 citizens, but your trade specials are Whale, Fish, Silk and Buffalo (Pheasant helps early growth but gives no trade, so irrigate it to Buffalo once things get moving), only three more trade arrows than what you would get from the tiles anyway if they were just grass and ocean. I'd suggest shooting for early Republic and early Shakes (or HG, only if Pottery falls into your hands by mistake, otherwise avoid it), along with Marco Polo for AI tech manipulations.

	17-09-2003 22:07									#16
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Erm... doesn't bloodlust mean we can't win via spaceship? It strikes me that the best strategy is to knock over LOTS of huts and try to keep the AIs from advancing far enough to be annoying once we can take the gloves off.

	18-09-2003 00:28									#17
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quote: Originally posted by DaveV Erm... doesn't bloodlust mean we can't win via spaceship?

Oups, I missed that!!

	18-09-2003 01:47									#18
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You're taking all the "fun" out of OCC...

But yes, spaceship is out, try for Early Conquest by shooting for early Navigation, send out several ShipsN'Dips to buy up NONE military units while beefing up the home production and getting a leg up on military techs. Might be good to build Copernicus in order to deny its effect to any others, but AI does tend to follow your lead in Tax/Sci settings so get ahead on tech and reset to taxes for bribery. Later on bring the scattered NONEs together into a small army to pound cities into dust. Getting Math early and spreading it around to AI civs might give you more opportunities to bribe Catapults, plus thats on the way to Nav and Ast. Iron could be a useful goal as well, on the way to Steam Engine and gives a pretty good offensive/defensive unit to go with the Catapults. If there is significant water (should be on a Giga map) build Lighthouse, Magellans if possible, and SunTzu in addition to Shakes.

	18-09-2003 01:51									#19
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Oh I figure that we’ll be seriously challenged -- my guess is that the best strategy will be to lead the technology, but not give everything away; build one or two non-standard OCC Wonders (like Mike’s & JSB); and set the stage for a late game growth of a few cities to support the war materiel.

A second problem will be OCC on a giga map -- trade may be delayed until Navigation.

IF we are lucky & can sail around & meet folks we MIGHT be able to set up a zoo of one or two pets -- I don’t think that elimination before turn 200 will do us much good since the restarts are on. But penning up one or two civs might have value if we can convince the pet to feed us Settlers for purchase -- the None Settlers could then help set up the road work for the delayed empire.

I expect that hut popping will yield supported units due to the expected distances involved.

And where we are after the first 20 turns...

Last edited by Old n Slow on 18-09-2003 at 01:58

	18-09-2003 13:35									#20
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I'm not sure about your plans for tech and bribery.
You aren't actually allowed to capture any foreign cities until 1750 (by which time, restarts won't apply). I don't know if this applies to razing (stolen term from Civ 3, but all the same, reducing to 1 pop and then taking), but even so you'll have to have a decent army of NONs that would be up to the job of taking cities defended by muskies and walls. A vast army of dips would be a better option to ensure that the walls don't get in the way of your troops. It does say that cities may be "acquired" after 1750 so you may as well go all out and just buy a few and then use them to support new units. It may have been a much-argued about strat in Scouserville, but I reckon that Mike's, the Statue and then Fundy is the best way to amass the cash to keep buying cities and units and really take the fight to the AI. Any techs they may have researched over those you have by the time you switch to fundy and effectively turn off research can be simply taken from captured cities. :b

	18-09-2003 18:00									#21
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Yes, raze before 1750, option to acquire afterwards.

	19-09-2003 11:15									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Old n Slow Yes, raze before 1750, option to acquire afterwards.

Hi guys!!

Based on testing, respawn ends in 1500. You can see for yourself.

My vision sucks, so it took me most of this week to create this post:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...561#post2347561

I hope folk will not mind a link. (If it breaks, please check the Strat Forum.) Miss the banter and especially not being able to play.

Monk

	19-09-2003 18:32									#23
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We miss you, too, Monk. Great to see you posting!

	19-09-2003 21:26									#24
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If you would kindly venture over to the Strat Forum, I have sugested a mission for you which, if you choose to accept, will answer the respawn question for the Mac as well. Thanks,

Monk

	19-09-2003 22:46									#25
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Cool. I will comply and report results.

	23-09-2003 20:02									#26
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Count me in for this one.
The synthesis of OCC and ICS (better in this order than the other way around)

We have some ICS specialist in the lineup, I fear the worst. If I recall correctly, DaveV once build more than 40 settlers in one turn, all quickly converted into cities. But I don't want to scare anyone (except myself)

	23-09-2003 20:06									#27
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quote: Originally posted by DaveV Sign me up. Are we going to try to build the Cure For Cancer in this game? I remember that wonder gained a significance for me that went way beyond its in-game value after my Mom died of cancer...

Maybe we should try to build it as soon as possible.
It could be sealed in the rules.
Old n Slow, what do you think

Perhaps that it would make the game too hard, but it could be quite a challenge.

	23-09-2003 20:23									#28
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I'm all in favor of building Wonders -- but I don't feel that we need to hard wire them into the rules (too much.)

	24-09-2003 15:59									#29
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I'm slugging away in my Seriously Tricky round, but I'm not going to miss this.

Sign me up!

* Straybow starts thinking about a suitable commemorative wine

	26-09-2003 15:34									#30
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In this special case - sign me up for my first succession game, please.

Zenon

P.S.: I remember someone posting newbies are always welcome!?