24-09-2003 04:52									#61
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Ok, here's the deal, Verto and Obi. Going on what you say, one way or another, God made a mistake. I want to tell you, that would make me extremely nervous. God doesn't make mistakes. Period.

Who said He made a mistake?

EDIT: Let me clarify. We feel homosexuals need to try to overcome their 'tendencies'. But, as they do that (and don't act upon them), we don't scream fire and brimstone at them.

	24-09-2003 04:52									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Aw boo hoo. I can't stand these people either. I fill with rage every morning when I pass the newstand and see whatever right wing lies the Sun is promoting today. I fume when I can't turn anywhere without seeing vacuous adverts. etc. etc. Part of living in a pluralistic society is that we have to put up with people and things we don't like. Some of the religious people hate gays - no matter, they still have to put up with you.

Thank you for your stunning insight, as usual.

	24-09-2003 04:54									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Asher As it occured to you, as Christians, that perhaps not everybody believes in the same wishywashy Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, God crap that you do? That we might find it offensive, downright annoying, and extremely condescending of you to call out to everyone to repent because some ancient book, interpreted in some ancient and twisted way, says what they do is wrong. It's their life, not yours, so stay out of it. Stop calling out for them to repent Stop passing laws to enforce your narrowly moral and bigoted viewpoints ...You'd start to wish you guys followed the Golden Rule. It is no more possible for me to "change my preferences" to be straight than it is to change yours to be gay. Not only is saying it's possible to change their preferences ridiculous, it's also very insulting. "They choose to live their life like that, they can change with the help of the Lord..." The people who change through the help of the Lord force themselves into thinking they want a heterosexual relationship. They work fine for a bit, but then they divorce and now kids have a gay dad and wives are left hurting. It hurts more than helps when churches do that kind of crap. Want first-hand knowledge of this on Apolyton? Talk to GayGamer, I can set you up with his AIM. He's a 40-something guy who finally admitted he can't pretend to be straight anymore. He's got kids... So why are sins bad if God loves us anyway? Why would God not allow someone into heaven if he loves them? I know you probably don't mean for it, Obiwan, but every post you and your type make like this one makes you look like a condescending ***** and preacher.

Has it ever occured to you that some Christians are offended by you blasting them and their God with statements like this: "...wishywashy Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, God crap." Is that what you call "living by the golden rule"?

I know quite a few gays btw who have left the so called gay lifestyle and never went back. Are you really qualified to read their minds and say that they are all faking it? Most of them are very grateful that someone cared enough to help them find the difference between lust and love. I don't claim to be able to read your mind so be what you are -- and let other's be what they are. That is called tolerance.

	24-09-2003 04:58									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Thank you for your stunning insight, as usual.

Just because you think the whole of society should be run exactly the way you want it, in line with your personal values.

Get real. These people aren't going away and neither are you.

You might complain that their ranting annoys you, but in my book you can just be thankful that people have generally agreed to ignore each others' foibles rather than solving them at the point of a gun. The mark of a successful society is that people don't vent their personal values on others at the point of a gun. Experience teaches us you can't hope for much better than that.

	24-09-2003 04:58									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln Is that what you call "living by the golden rule"?

Yes, because I'm treating certain people how I was treated. Do you understand how the golden rule works?

quote: I know quite a few gays btw who have left the so called gay lifestyle and never went back. Are you really qualified to read their minds and say that they are all faking it?

No, but they're presumably bisexual or partly so because they would obviously have some attraction to the opposite sex.

quote: Most of them are very grateful that someone cared enough to help them find the difference between lust and love.

**** you.

	24-09-2003 04:58									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln Has it ever occured to you that some Christians are offended by you blasting them and their God with statements like this: "...wishywashy Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, God crap." Is that what you call "living by the golden rule"?

No it hasn't because in his world, only what Asher finds offensive really matters.

	24-09-2003 04:59									#67
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Just because you think the whole of society should be run exactly the way you want it, in line with your personal values. Get real. These people aren't going away and neither are you.

Stop being a moron, of course they aren't going away and neither am I.

Who gave you the god-given right to ***** (ie, what you're doing now), but not me?

	24-09-2003 05:00									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon No it hasn't because in his world, only what Asher finds offensive really matters.

That doesn't even answer his question, Agathon. Try reading it.

	24-09-2003 05:01									#69
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Stop being a moron, of course they aren't going away and neither am I.

Then get over yourself and stop being a pathetic *******.

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quote: Originally posted by Asher **** you.

Well many gays would argue with you as well. There is a difference between love and lust regardless of one's sexual orientation.

	24-09-2003 05:02									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln Well many gays would argue with you as well. There is a difference between love and lust regardless of one's sexual orientation.

No ****, Lincoln, but you implied that homosexuals are about lust and heterosexuals about love.

Hence, "**** you".

	24-09-2003 05:05									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Who said He made a mistake? EDIT: Let me clarify. We feel homosexuals need to try to overcome their 'tendencies'. But, as they do that (and don't act upon them), we don't scream fire and brimstone at them.

And Methodist's feel we have enough to do, keeping ourself in line.
It isn't your place to condemn, or pass judgement, on others.

And if anyone mentions to Mr****ingFun that I'm standing up for Gays, two things will happen.

1) I'll denounce you as a liar
2) I'll kick your ass.

	24-09-2003 05:05									#73
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Then get over yourself and stop being a pathetic *******.

So you're saying I don't have a right to ***** about religious *******s writing **** like "Come, we need victims" on the GLASS posters on campus?

Or the nutcase screaming about how God have condemned homosexuals to hell on campus?

I have a right to *****, I have a right to vent.

It's YOU that needs to get over yourself and stop being a pathetic *******.

	24-09-2003 05:06									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Asher No ****, Lincoln, but you implied that homosexuals are about lust and heterosexuals about love. Hence, "**** you".

Well you misread my mind So you can apologize now... Lust effects everyone. We all have to deal with it.

	24-09-2003 05:07									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Lincoln Well you misread my mind So you can apologize now... Lust effects everyone. We all have to deal with it.

I'm not apologizing for something blatantly obvious in your post.

quote: I know quite a few gays btw who have left the so called gay lifestyle and never went back. Are you really qualified to read their minds and say that they are all faking it? Most of them are very grateful that someone cared enough to help them find the difference between lust and love.

Christians help convert "gays" into "straights".
Said people are "grateful that someone cared enough to help them find the difference between lust and love"

Are you seriously too dense to realize what you type?

	24-09-2003 05:13									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Asher So you're saying I don't have a right to ***** about religious *******s writing **** like "Come, we need victims" on the GLASS posters on campus? Or the nutcase screaming about how God have condemned homosexuals to hell on campus? I have a right to *****, I have a right to vent. It's YOU that needs to get over yourself and stop being a pathetic *******.

Not by the evidence of this post.

So you don't like what some other people believe and thus come on here in a pissy and abusive mood. Nice one Asher, you may have noticed that most people take a dim view of folk who go on the internet to abuse others to make themselves feel better - which is exactly what you are doing.

So I feel annoyed at the homophobic Christians on campus, helll I'll go online and abuse and antagonize a bunch of completely different Christians who are basically nice people.

Yeah, great.....

	24-09-2003 05:14									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm not apologizing for something blatantly obvious in your post. Christians help convert "gays" into "straights". Said people are "grateful that someone cared enough to help them find the difference between lust and love" Are you seriously too dense to realize what you type?

I was involved in youth ministry for quite a few years. Most of the people who became converted came from the remnant of the hippie movement. We had kids from every lifestyle repent of their lusts for sex, drugs, money or whatever. The so called gays were just part of the crowd and they repented with everyone else. Many have been married now for about 25 years and are quite happy. And many other's (both gay and straight) did not repent and are still slaves of their lusts. This goes for gays and straights. You really are not that special.

	24-09-2003 05:15									#78
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Agathon, you ain't bad, for a stinking Commie.

	24-09-2003 05:18									#79
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I think that Asher just wrote an email to godhatesfags.com that was returned...

	24-09-2003 05:18									#80
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Agathon, you ain't bad, for a stinking Commie.

Cheers, and you are a fine individual for a capitalist.

I wish someone would close this thread. I can't see how it's serving any purpose other than enraging the participants.

	24-09-2003 05:20									#81
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Most of the time anyone starts a "religion" thread, it's similar to the old "bait and switch" scam.

	24-09-2003 05:21									#82
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon So you don't like what some other people believe and thus come on here in a pissy and abusive mood. Nice one Asher, you may have noticed that most people take a dim view of folk who go on the internet to abuse others to make themselves feel better - which is exactly what you are doing.

Give me one reason why I should care what folk on the internet here think?

Especially the likes of you, of which my opinion could not get any lower.

quote: So I feel annoyed at the homophobic Christians on campus, helll I'll go online and abuse and antagonize a bunch of completely different Christians who are basically nice people. Yeah, great.....

That's nonsense, I'm fine with the cool Christians like JM and Slowwhand, it's the ones like Lincoln that drive me up the wall.

And I do have every right to vent, and you're acting like the police on the boards telling me what I can and can't vent about. Reminds me of the time where you said you don't understand why people think they have the right to be offended.

You're a prissy little philosopher with your head in the clouds, so go back there and leave my threads alone.

	24-09-2003 05:28									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Give me one reason why I should care what folk on the internet here think?

Being an ******* is bad.

quote: Especially the likes of you, of which my opinion could not get any lower.

quote: That's nonsense, I'm fine with the cool Christians like JM and Slowwhand, it's the ones like Lincoln that drive me up the wall. And I do have every right to vent, and you're acting like the police on the boards telling me what I can and can't vent about. Reminds me of the time where you said you don't understand why people think they have the right to be offended.

So you have the right to come on here and behave like an absolute ***** whose aim just seems to be to make those who disagree feel as bad as possible? Interesting... What a strange idea?

This could have been an interesting discussion, if one side had not decided to throw off all manners.

And IIRC what I said was that people have no right to take offence at absolutely everything. People who are like that are annoying ****** who make everyone else's life difficult - it's them who needs to change, not the world. What's so weird about that?

quote: You're a prissy little philosopher with your head in the clouds, so go back there and leave my threads alone.

	24-09-2003 05:32									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Being an ******* is bad.

That's never stopped you. Hell, you've been an ******* since your first post in this thread.

For instance, you're:
1) Threadjacking
2) Attempting to further provoke someone clearly agitated

quote: So you have the right to come on here and behave like an absolute ***** whose aim just seems to be to make those who disagree feel as bad as possible? Interesting... What a strange idea?

I don't see why I don't have a right to tell the people that think I'm going to hell that they're inconsiderate ******.

Do you have a right to threadjack people's threads and troll them like you're doing?

How is that any better, aside from it proving you have it in for me and thinking that I'm worth all this time you spent spewing crap at me?

quote: And IIRC what I said was that people have no right to take offence at absolutely everything.

No, your word was "anything", not "everything". There is a huge difference.

	24-09-2003 05:34									#85
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quote: Originally posted by Asher That's nonsense, I'm fine with the cool Christians like JM and Slowwhand, it's the ones like Lincoln that drive me up the wall. And I do have every right to vent,

I agree, you've a right to vent, it's healthy.
And thanks for the kind words, BTW.

Come to Texas. Join the Methodist church.
As I think you can see now, it ain't so bad here.

I won't hang you for being Gay.

	24-09-2003 05:36									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Asher No, your word was "anything", not "everything". There is a huge difference.

If I said that, then that is true as well. People who take offence at things like other people looking at them on the street or who complain about pointless or ridiculous things are a burden to everyone else.

	24-09-2003 05:40									#87
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon If I said that, then that is true as well. People who take offence at things like other people looking at them on the street or who complain about pointless or ridiculous things are a burden to everyone else.

Or other ridiculous things like people venting on a forum.

	24-09-2003 05:46									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Or other ridiculous things like people venting on a forum.

When they're yelling "**** you!" at other posters, in clear violation of the agreement they made when they registered, then I think they are the problem.

	24-09-2003 05:49									#89
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon When they're yelling "**** you!" at other posters, in clear violation of the agreement they made when they registered, then I think they are the problem.

You took issue with it before I said that.

And I think Lincoln's statement was far more offensive than a generic "**** you" can ever be. Hence the "**** you".

Personally I think you're one of the biggest problems on this board, you constantly stir **** when it doesn't need to be stirred. And you've got this big condescending holier-than-thou thought-police vibe about you that annoys me (and no doubt many other people) to no end.

You're not "all that", Agathon, you're merely an instructor in a field that has no direct use anymore. You are way down there on society's food chain, contrary to what you seem to believe.

	24-09-2003 05:53									#90
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**** it.
You're all going to Hell.