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quote: Going on what you say, one way or another, God made a mistake. I want to tell you, that would make me extremely nervous. God doesn't make mistakes. Period.

Slowwy:

Did I ever say that God made people gay? No. I think they do that all by themselves.

Mr. Fun:

Much better flame. Now I want to see Bodd's response.

	24-09-2003 06:00									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Slowwy: Did I ever say that God made people gay? No. I think they do that all by themselves.

And what evidence do you base this on...

	24-09-2003 06:01									#94
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If god is omnipotent and thinks it's a sin, why do gay people still exist?

	24-09-2003 06:03									#95
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Why does anyone exist? We are all sinners.

	24-09-2003 06:05									#96
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Why would there be any sin at all? Why doesn't God just cure everybody of sin with a snap of his finger?

	24-09-2003 06:08									#97
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Since you feel that you have the right to ***** at those Christians for trivialising your homosexuality and damning you to hell. Living by your "golden rule", do you recognise that, equally, those Christians have every right to defend and stand up for their religious beliefs?

Maybe both of you will feel better about yourself, but it doesn't actually solve any problems, does it?

I think you missed a few words in your golden rule there...

It's not "Do unto others as others do unto you", but "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you".

You'd make a fine Middle East negotiator though.

Then again, you might just be trolling and you really want others to scream at you, because you can then scream back at them even louder.

	24-09-2003 06:08									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Slowwy: Did I ever say that God made people gay? No. I think they do that all by themselves.

Simply stated, you're wrong.
People don't "make" themselves Gay.
It isn't a choice.
As I said earlier, and I've really made an effort to understand, it's suppsed to be a gene thing.
Damn, I hate to use old pissant as a reference, but he asked the logical question himself.
Why would anyone choose to be Gay, given the hostile environment ?
(ok, fine. He's right one time. You fire enough rounds and you're bound to hit something.)
So yes, God made them Gay.

I think some alleged Christians and/or other religious types best be watching where they tread with their thoughts, words, and deeds.

	24-09-2003 06:12									#99
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quote: **** it. You're all going to Hell.

Took the words right out of my mouth.

	24-09-2003 08:36									#100
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quote: Originally posted by Mercator Since you feel that you have the right to ***** at those Christians for trivialising your homosexuality and damning you to hell. Living by your "golden rule", do you recognise that, equally, those Christians have every right to defend and stand up for their religious beliefs?

I never said they don't have that right.

They could insist to their dying breath that Michael Jackson is our savior and they'd still be as pigheaded and ignorant as ever.

Fortunately, not all hope is lost, as we obviously have at least some compassionate, intelligent Christians on these boards which I adore. You know, if all (or even most) of the religious folk I met were like monolith, JM, SlowwHand, etc. -- I might actually take it seriously someday.

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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Mr. Fun: Much better flame. Now I want to see Bodd's response.

You just keep talking with your head stuck up your ass in regards to sexual orientation, and you can just flame yourself all the way to . . .

	24-09-2003 08:54									#102
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Michael Jackson can't be our savior. He's gay and therefore evil.

	24-09-2003 09:11									#103
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quote: Yes, because I'm treating certain people how I was treated. Do you understand how the golden rule works?

Yes, but obviously you don't. As Mercator stated the Golden Rule is to treat others as YOU wish to be treated. Unless you want to be yelled at by religious fundies .

quote: So you don't like what some other people believe and thus come on here in a pissy and abusive mood. Nice one Asher, you may have noticed that most people take a dim view of folk who go on the internet to abuse others to make themselves feel better - which is exactly what you are doing.

You should have seen the original thread.

And before you start, Asher, remember MtG said that was closed because of YOU.

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Anyway, under Christianity you can easily be against homosexuality without wishing people dead. It is a religion that believes in original sin and thus everyone has some sin. That doesn't mean the sinful are going to Hell. And look at monestaries. They have to refrain from all sexual contact (ideally).

	24-09-2003 09:26									#104
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yes, but obviously you don't. As Mercator stated the Golden Rule is to treat others as YOU wish to be treated. Unless you want to be yelled at by religious fundies .

If religious fundies treat me in that way, does that not mean that is the way they wish to be treated?

quote: You should have seen the original thread. And before you start, Asher, remember MtG said that was closed because of YOU.

Surely your incessant spamming of it with nonsense like "rhetorical questions cannot be trolls" had something to do with it.

Or maybe it was my "muslim cowboy" comment.

	24-09-2003 09:34									#105
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quote: If religious fundies treat me in that way, does that not mean that is the way they wish to be treated?

Sure, but if you treat them that way then you are saying you wish to treated the same. The Golden Rule is a circle. Just don't complain when you are treated the way you wanted to be.

quote: Surely your incessant spamming of it with nonsense like "rhetorical questions cannot be trolls" had something to do with it.

Since the mod who did it made it 100% clear that it was you doing something so offensive that you were close to being banned, contrasting your point that it was my fault, surely that means 'spam' (which is found on almost every thread) had something to do with it

	24-09-2003 10:41									#106
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I see that I've missed much fun when I was sleeping.

	24-09-2003 10:59									#107
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quote: People don't "make" themselves Gay. It isn't a choice. As I said earlier, and I've really made an effort to understand, it's suppsed to be a gene thing. Damn, I hate to use old pissant as a reference, but he asked the logical question himself. Why would anyone choose to be Gay, given the hostile environment ? (ok, fine. He's right one time. You fire enough rounds and you're bound to hit something.) So yes, God made them Gay.

Genes do not determine behavior. One can be predisposed to like men over women, but your behavior is up to you. It's not sinful to have a predisposition, while it is sinful to act on the urges.

That clear up our miscommunication, Slowwy?

	24-09-2003 11:04									#108
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Ben, you're being utterly ridiculous.

Answer this: If society told you it was only proper to have sex with men, would you do that and like it?

	24-09-2003 11:09									#109
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quote: If society told you it was only proper to have sex with men, would you do that and like it?

I don't have much faith in Canadian society.

Secondly, there are some people who are called to remain celebate for life. If I felt that my vocation lay here, than I would gladly accept this course.

	24-09-2003 11:11									#110
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You honestly believe gay men should remain celibate rather than finding happiness with eachother?

	24-09-2003 11:13									#111
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I agree with you that some people are called to remain celebate for life. I just think that it is unlikely that that is every homosexual. Rather I would bet that it is some mixture of homosexuals and heterosexuals (It was Paul who said that it is best for some not to enter in relationships, am I right? (been a while since I read that).

Jon Miller

	24-09-2003 11:21									#112
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quote: You honestly believe gay men should remain celibate rather than finding happiness with eachother?

Either that, or get married to a nice woman.

	24-09-2003 11:24									#113
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Some people need to look at their priorities in life.

BTW, what's with that quote in your sig?

	24-09-2003 11:30									#114
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Not Paul, but Jesus

Matthew 19:11-12

Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it."

	24-09-2003 11:31									#115
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It's a wonderful ad-hominem, that's why it's in my sig.

	24-09-2003 11:33									#116
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It's a disclaimer.

	24-09-2003 11:40									#117
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It's also a compliment. Thank you asher.

	24-09-2003 11:41									#118
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I think I'm now the most quoted person on Apolyton for sigs.

	24-09-2003 11:43									#119
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Yet one more thing you and Fez have in common...

	24-09-2003 12:03									#120
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My quotes are there for different reasons than Fez's.