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I am sorry but I don't agree, I have seen one of the worst game of Rugby this year. Several knock-on each minute from both teams, unimaginative Tonga players bumping into a wall of AB that didn't need to organize themselves to stop them, inefficient AB mauls unable to move forward with 5 or 6 All Blacks blocked by 2 or 3 lazy Tonga players, unpushed scrums...

Utter poppycock!


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If your forwards have been good it is certainly not in the phases where they are supposed to use their strength... As usual they have been used to pierce through the opponent's defense, a job I agree they do fairly well.

I've been concerned as much as any AB fan about the flimsy technique of our driving and rolling maul play. I know it was only Tonga, but we exhibited the patience and technique required to set up men, bind correctly, hold the ball at the back (bound - unlike Neil ) and get the shove on, all while maintaining perfect control. The Tongans threw everything they had against it, so we’d just spin it out wide and run through the resulting gaps.

There was a try by Daniel Braid that resulted from our maul driving him over the line, and a penalty try awarded for a Tongan’s preventing a guaranteed push-over try.

Clive, Eddie and Rudolf must be more concerned than anything else about this aspect of our improvement, as there was a chink in our armour that they could expose.

You all continue to underestimate our forwards.


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IMO you definitely need to reassure yourself and you are thus clinging to what you can.

You can believe that if you want to. Why don’t you spend an hour or two head bashing to Metallica – you obviously need to up your supply of ’s.

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Of course everyone has forgotten about the NPC

Auckland -d- Wellington 41-22

Very entertaining game, many line breaks and thundering tackles. Been a very close NPC without the All Blacks.

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Wales - Italy half time : 20 - 9
Poor performance from the Italians. They spend most of the time with the ball in the Welsh part of the field but are unable to do anything. Wakarua is quite bad, he doesn't set his attack line in position to do anything, and his poor defense led to the second Welsh try. Also, Troncon coughed several balls, and the Italian lineout is generally bad.
Still, they showed a few good things, Parise and Canale look dangerous, but considering how they leave themselves open to counters and are generally more tired than their opponents, I feel the Italians will have a very hard time in the second half.

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Is it true that, shortly after receipt of a package from a San Diego laboratory, you were timed to run the 100m in 7.7 seconds?


First the package was coming from Jamaica, second there is a 0 too many in your sentence.

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Final score:

Wallabies 142
Namibia 0


I suppose that you owe your victory in this tight game to the quality of your forwards.

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Why don’t you spend an hour or two head bashing to Metallica – you obviously need to up your supply of ’s.


Metallica is metal for the pussies...

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Wales 27 Italy 15.
Italy's pair of halves made too many bad choices and bad passes. Troncon gave the ball back to the Welsh by kicking far too often.
The Welsh defended well, and countered the Italians well, but they will be reduced to pulp by the AB next week.
Now on to France - Scotland!

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Italy looked very effective in the first half - a simple game plan, keep running big men at the Welsh defence at speed. It should have worked but the Italians tired faster than the Welsh defence because of their impossible schedule.

Wales still look strangely rusted and stilted - as if the players don't quite get the gameplan and don't adjust to what is actually happening on the field

Hopefully actually qualifying for the Quarter Finals will take some pressure off, except the next 2 matches are NZ and England - we'll be lucky to keep under a hundred aggregate for the 2 games

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France Scotland half time 19 - 6.
The Scots kick the ball and tackle high, they also catch most of the balls in lineouts, causing some problems to the French there. They don't look very dangerous though, so unless Rougerie fumbles too many ball receptions, the game should be won by France.

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YES! The French just took a ball from a Scot scrum and scored a try immediately afterwards! There are still scrums in rugby!

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Final score:
France 51 - 9 Scotland
Very good match from the French, though they never opened the ball wide on the centers.
Michalak, Dominici and Betsen in particular were excellent. The pack ruled in scrums, though they had problems in lineouts. There were too many balls lost by the French, but Scots are notorious for stealing balls (legally).
The last try by Brusque was a nive personnal feat, which reminds of Blanco. They are both full back of Biarritz Olympique and France, after all.

Now, again, Scotland is far below the likes of England or South Africa. The question is now who will the French play against: Ireland or Argentina (it seems highly unlikely that Australia could lose against Ireland)?

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That was real forward play...

To the exception of the first half and the last 10 minutes (because of the too many replacements) the french played very well...


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Of course everyone has forgotten about the NPC

Auckland -d- Wellington 41-22

Very entertaining game, many line breaks and thundering tackles. Been a very close NPC without the All Blacks.


I didn't forget about it! I watched some of it! I only stopped because Mrs finbar, knowing I'd already booked the TV for 3 WRC matches, started to mutter under her breath!

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First the package was coming from Jamaica, second there is a 0 too many in your sentence.


Or even two.

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I suppose that you owe your victory in this tight game to the quality of your forwards.


Yes, and my name is Andydog.

The match was a farce. Two players who started today will start against Ireland. Giffen, who came on in the second half, will if he's fit enough.

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See you Monday gentlemen, I am away from home for the week-end...





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That was real forward play...

To the exception of the first half and the last 10 minutes (because of the too many replacements) the french played very well...




Fine performance by the French. They jogged along in the first half and went like the clappers in the second. I have to tell you, for what it's worth, several of the Australian TV commentators are big fans of the French. They think the French capable of going all the way.

And Matt Williams needs his head read for agreeing to coach Scotland next season.

Tonight's match also bears out, I think, what Doug Howlett said prior to the tournament about the French being the big threat via their unpredictablity. Havak, of course, completely misunderstood the comment, thinking it reflected badly on England.

But it was interesting to watch a match between two NH teams, with a NH ref, which contained more unpenalised forward passes than any other match thus far. And that's saying something!

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See you Monday gentlemen, I am away from home for the week-end...







Typical! Dashing off just when I turn up to apply some pressure!

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Fine performance by the French. They jogged along in the first half and went like the clappers in the second. I have to tell you, for what it's worth, several of the Australian TV commentators are big fans of the French. They think the French capable of going all the way.


Only because: Australinas never support their ANZAC buddies, and the Aussies flatly refuse to support the eventual winners England.

I can't see France going all the way, myself

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Now, again, Scotland is far below the likes of England or South Africa. The question is now who will the French play against: Ireland or Argentina (it seems highly unlikely that Australia could lose against Ireland)?


I wouldn't say "highly unlikely". In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Irish get an upset in that game.

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I didn't forget about it! I watched some of it! I only stopped because Mrs finbar, knowing I'd already booked the TV for 3 WRC matches, started to mutter under her breath!


The Tamerlinites will start to tax you for excess

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Only because: Australinas never support their ANZAC buddies, and the Aussies flatly refuse to support the eventual winners England.


The former not necessarily so, the latter patently obviously - and justifiably - so.

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I can't see France going all the way, myself


They have the ability. Whether they have the mindset on the day is the difference, IMHO.

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I wouldn't say "highly unlikely". In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Irish get an upset in that game.


Depends on how the Irish approach it tactically, methinks. A version of the approach they used in Ireland late last year would cause the Wallabies heaps of problems.

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The Tamerlinites will start to tax you for excess



I've lodged a claim challenging his copyright in the European Court. In the interim, I'm free to rip him off as much as I like.



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Gee.

Saints 32 -d- Leicester 15

Just in case Havak was hoping it might go unnoticed.

Mmmm. If England doesn't win the WRC, Havak's winter could just about, possibly, at a pinch, verge on the mildly gloomy.

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I still remember the times when Leicester had letters on their backs I think I was five then... never was big into English rugby

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I still remember the times when Leicester had letters on their backs I think I was five then... never was big into English rugby


They seem to have swapped the letters on their backs for crosses.

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Ireland 16 - 15 Argentina

A contested match. The Irish win thanks to a try which owes a lot to their hooker, Woods.
The Pumas looked stronger in the first half, but the interception by Wood cost them the single try of the match. The Irish finished the match very well, beating the Pumas around the rucks, though they still had problems keeping the ball.

I didn't like the refereeing at all, however (hello Tamerlin). The ref did whistle a lineout which was less than 5 meters, thing that Italians did regularly illegally and without being penalised yesterday. However, he clearly advantaged the tackled when freeing the ball. Tackled players apparently have the right to keep the ball, turn themselves and roll over the ball while held, whereas the defenders, even on their feet, can't contest the ball. I also didn't understand how Wood could go steal the ball to Pichot without being penalised, but then the ref may have seen something we didn't see on TV.

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Half time England 13 - 16 Samoa
Samoa made a great start. The fly half, Va'a, kicks 1 ball for 10 he passes and 2 he runs. Usually from his 22. Samoans scored a neat try. The question is whether the English pack will be able to wear down the Samoans. It's unlikely that their backs make a difference, unless Wilkinson has a stroke of genius, but he didn't make a very good start (missing 2 penalties won't help his morale).
Great match so far. I wish I could have seen Havak's face when the Samoans scored their try: somehting like this or or ?

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Final score:

England 35
Samoa 22

Mmmm. Almost Havak's weekend from hell. Samoa achieved the same thing South Africa did, by different means. For two weeks in a row now, England, not allowed to settle, have looked more ragged than they should. I'm sure the coaches of certain other teams have learned heaps from England's efforts.

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I wouldn't say "highly unlikely". In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Irish get an upset in that game.


After watching the Irish effort tonight against Argentina, would you care to revise that thought?

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I wish I could have seen Havak's face when the Samoans scored their try: somehting like this or or ?


I'm not sure about his face, but there would have been a brick-shaped hole in his TV screen.

 
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