12-04-2004 17:03									#271
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Tamerlin,

You don't need to worry about those, they're SLIC names not file names.

BUT, I've converted SAP to a scenario and have been playing it with the debug exe. You might as well scrap a lot of the SLIC. As Martin remarked to John:

quote: quote: Originally posted by J bytheway Well, we should be fixing the source code so that all correctly-written SLIC will work with DebugSlic=Yes, so either way it would help . The problem here is that most code is not written correctly,

If you play with DebugSlic=Yes, you get a lot of SLIC errors and it's quite obvious that the code that follows them hasn't ever been doing anything. I can't see any point in keeping it.

	12-04-2004 17:19									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Solver John, which SLIC function is the missing one?

GetMostAtRiskCity (but I don't know if it was ever used).

	12-04-2004 17:23									#273
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs BUT, I've converted SAP to a scenario and have been playing it with the debug exe.

Have you noticed any of the old problems related to scenario play (like getting an extra turn when you load), or have the fixes worked properly?

With luck, we should finally be able to do without modswapper , and play mods the way they were always meant to have been played. No more worrying about which mod you were playing for any given save game, etc.

	12-04-2004 17:26									#274
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quote: GetMostAtRiskCity (but I don't know if it was ever used).

Wasn't it said recently that no mod uses it?

	12-04-2004 17:46									#275
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OK, I decided to at least unzip the files over a patched install to see how it works. I can start a new game succesfully and play, that seems to be working fine. Color selection and such works as expected, even though I found colors of some enemies near impossible to read with the new color set. I brought up the ranking display for that.

I can not start the game if I try to load SAP2 or SAP2 with GoodMod, getting the error:

Expected keyword MAX_MATCH_LIST_CYCLES not found

Error occurs on line 225 of either APOL_const or GM_cost.txt, depending on the mod I'm attempting to load.

Edit: unsurpisingly, that's easily solved by adding that line to the file where it asks for it. I then succesfully loaded a game started under SAP2, and below is a screenshot of what I don't like.

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	12-04-2004 17:54									#276
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Here it is, the third and the last are unreadable. Yes, it's GIF, under JPEG, the colors were made darker and readable. I know that colors are easily changed, but this is just my input for consideration of defaut colors.

Also: prior to loading this saved game, I started a new game selecting my color as red. When I loaded this, my civ appeared as red - is this supposed to be the case?

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Excuse me for so many posts, but darn the attachments. Either way, great job on the latest build, again!

Attachment: diag2.gif
This has been downloaded 108 time(s).

	12-04-2004 19:18									#278
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OK, and an issue with diplomacy photos.


I have a CTD when trying to diplomacy with some civs, with an error that leadername.tga can't be found. I've gotten that for Byzantines with constantine.tga, and Swedes with gustavusadolphus.tga . Yet, for some other civs, it works. How come? I checked the pic555.zfs and pic565.zfs, they have no such files, the diplomacy photos there are named differently, apparently.

I assume somehow paths need to be modified,or something.

Also, how about a potential addition of a function that, if a game can't find a targa file, it just replaces it with some standard file instead of crashing?

	12-04-2004 19:26									#279
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quote: Originally posted by Solver OK, I decided to at least unzip the files over a patched install to see how it works.

Remember that you don't need to use a patched install, an unpatched one should work fine (and a patched one should work fine too).

	12-04-2004 19:31									#280
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Yep, I know, but all the previous testing I've done was on vanilla installs, and seeing reimplementation of SLIC functions, I wanted to give it a test-drive with a patched, modded game of mine. Just currently stumbled with that dip photo issue.

	12-04-2004 20:15									#281
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Here it is, the third and the last are unreadable. Yes, it's GIF, under JPEG, the colors were made darker and readable. I know that colors are easily changed, but this is just my input for consideration of defaut colors.

Well I just found one GIF, the problem with the colors is that if you remove yellow and that green then a collor would be missing in the color pallete, that was always the problem with the original colors all so dark, and no real bright color. So I prefer a background slolution here.

quote: Originally posted by Solver Also: prior to loading this saved game, I started a new game selecting my color as red. When I loaded this, my civ appeared as red - is this supposed to be the case?

If you started the same game with red then you should continue it after a reload with red. If you started in between another game with another player then you should continue that game with the same player, and the game that you started with red (player 1) with player 1.

quote: Originally posted by Solver I have a CTD when trying to diplomacy with some civs, with an error that leadername.tga can't be found. I've gotten that for Byzantines with constantine.tga, and Swedes with gustavusadolphus.tga . Yet, for some other civs, it works. How come? I checked the pic555.zfs and pic565.zfs, they have no such files, the diplomacy photos there are named differently, apparently.

I think you should find these diplomacy photos in the CTP1 section of the directory somewhere otherwise, use a small dummy picture and copy and rename the copies to fit the missing names.

-Martin

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quote: If you started the same game with red then you should continue it after a reload with red. If you started in between another game with another player then you should continue that game with the same player, and the game that you started with red (player 1) with player 1.

OK, here's the story, of what I did. Start a new game, as red. Load up a saved game from SAP - see myself as red. Quit CtP2. Load CtP2 again. Start a new game as blue. Load up the same save from SAP - see myself as red.

quote: I think you should find these diplomacy photos in the CTP1 section of the directory somewhere otherwise, use a small dummy picture and copy and rename the copies to fit the missing names.

At any rate, can you point me to the the location where the paths and names of files for these pictures are stored, for the game to know where to look?

	12-04-2004 20:59									#283
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs If you play with DebugSlic=Yes, you get a lot of SLIC errors and it's quite obvious that the code that follows them hasn't ever been doing anything. I can't see any point in keeping it.

It aslso depends on what kind of slic errors, some of them are caused , because the code does not work as intended, that is also a problem of existing code, I tried to get the Stacked function to work, to save me the Is-The-Size-Of-The-First-Army-Euqal-To-The-Number-Of-Units-On-That-Tile check. In fact using the Stacked function is correct Slic but nevertheless it doesn't work. And the noname errors could come from using local functions without copiing the input variables to local variables. And we have the built in arrays if you fill them yourself, they can lose their value after you used read access on them. Everything correct slic but again doesn't work as expected. So in GoodMod I added a lot of valid checks to make sure that the slic errors doesn't occur, but one kind of slic errors we never notice is the devide by zero error, well in that case 0 is returned, but noone got an slic error about, so at least I know suchan error from some borrowed WAW code in GoodMod.

So the question is is the problem caused by errors in the slic code itsself or by errors in the underlying c++ code. In the first place it is non working code at all in the second place it is code that should work but doesn't work.

-Martin

	12-04-2004 21:22									#284
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quote: Originally posted by Solver OK, here's the story, of what I did. Start a new game, as red. Load up a saved game from SAP - see myself as red. Quit CtP2. Load CtP2 again. Start a new game as blue. Load up the same save from SAP - see myself as red.

That is as it is intended, otherwise the stuff wouldn't be on the new SP players screen. Actual first it says that you set the start player and then it says that this determines your color, color is bind to player, so if you change the color in an existing game this way you have to change the player, for instance you started with the Incas and then you continue with the Germans , because they have a different color. As far as I know there is no other game that binds the color to players that allows you such an behaviour, once you started the game to change the player. Of course you can modify the colors00.txt, by the way there are some alternatives of Locutus Flinx and myself based on a colorset by Locutus, actual I wasn't happy with all of them, so many bright colors, and I didn't like the order.

quote: Originally posted by Solver At any rate, can you point me to the the location where the paths and names of files for these pictures are stored, for the game to know where to look?

The game looks in ..\ctp2_data\default\graphics\pictures\ folder for all this pictures wheather they are in the pic565.zfs as *.rim's stored or as *.tga's outside of an archieve in that directory. The leader pictures themselves are contained in Harlan's Graphic Mod 1.0.

-Martin

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OK, I loaded a savegame started under Activision-compiled, patched CtP2 running SAP2. Here are the observations.

Everything seems to be working perfectly. The AI is functioning as expected, in a pretty clever fashion, so it's using its SLIC. All the nice interface tweaks work, and the bugs are fixed as mentioned in the fixlist. Two issues I noticed:

Mouse wheel doesn't work in the save game dialog, like to scroll a list of savegame folders - it scrolls the map beneath, instead.

Manager, diplomacy and other screens still don't start in center of the screen, though I don't think that was implemented.

Very good work on the game - I'm glad to finally see mods working with Platyest build .

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quote: Originally posted by Solver Also, how about a potential addition of a function that, if a game can't find a targa file, it just replaces it with some standard file instead of crashing?

That's a good idea, but it should be possible to deactivate it so that when you're designing a mod, you notice when a picture is missing.

	13-04-2004 01:24									#287
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Same with an .spr file

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Well, just remembered that Morrowind uses that... if there's a graphical elements missing, it shows a yellow pyramid. So if you design a new character and mess up the head part, you don't get a headless character, but one with a yellow pyramid for head.

BTW, downloaded Harlan's mod, obviously, and noticed interesting effects. Apparently, some of the diplo pics are in zfs, some are not - and, well, the ones that were not are taken from Harlan's mod, which I unzipped, but those are again bigger than the little icons they're supposed to be - easily fixed, of course, just a notice.

	13-04-2004 01:43									#289
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why don’t we just replace missing graphics with a big sign saying "you messed up"

	13-04-2004 03:10									#290
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I made a modupdater for those playing around with mods, to make them work with the new exe. See:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=112766

	13-04-2004 16:18									#291
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs Tamerlin, You don't need to worry about those, they're SLIC names not file names.

Thanks Peter.

quote: BUT, I've converted SAP to a scenario and have been playing it with the debug exe. You might as well scrap a lot of the SLIC.

You mean that the mods will be played like scenarios as they should have been from the start, but there is one thing I don't understand, why should we scrap a lot of SLIC code?

	13-04-2004 18:42									#292
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Yeap John, that's a good solution, but also, the beauty of this build is that it works with ModSwapper fully - if you add that single line manually to the file.

	13-04-2004 18:56									#293
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What line in which file are you talking about Solver?

	13-04-2004 19:44									#294
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That MAX_MATCH_LIST_CYCLES in whatever file is applicable depending on the mod.

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quote: Originally posted by Solver That MAX_MATCH_LIST_CYCLES in whatever file is applicable depending on the mod.

Thanks for your reply Solver, but is it a line you have to add manually yourself somewhere (For example, in an APOL file if you want to play with the SAP2)?

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I'm getting a lot of bugs with the debug exe. Solver, if you (or anyone else) is playing with DebugSlic=No, could you change it to Yes. It's the only way we'll properly debug things.

Tamerlin,

You have to edit APOL_const.txt like this:

quote: RIOT_LEVEL 73 MAX_MATCH_LIST_CYCLES 10 # Amount of AI match list cycles POWER_POINTS_TO_MATERIALS 1 # 1 power point can be converted to x materials

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Peter - played a couple more today, all perfect so far, with Debugslic off. Will turn it on and report my findings. I haven't really seen any gameplay bugs, though, during normal play.

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quote: Originally posted by Solver Yeap John, that's a good solution, but also, the beauty of this build is that it works with ModSwapper fully - if you add that single line manually to the file.

If you just add that single line you get the game running, but you don't get trade routes work properly. With this setup they don't follow roads, railroads or maglevs, and you always need for the wohle game a lot of caravans to establish trade routes, because you can't decrease the distances and therefore you can't decrease the number of Caravans needed.

quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs I'm getting a lot of bugs with the debug exe. Solver, if you (or anyone else) is playing with DebugSlic=No, could you change it to Yes. It's the only way we'll properly debug things.

I recommend not to use ApolytonPack alone while playing in DebugSlic=Yes, even with Activision's original patch it throws a lot of slic errors. I gave my best to remove them all in GoodMod, but actual I just catched them by checking the validity of units cities and armies.

But of course beside the errors I catched, there might be now more, because of the added validity checks in the source code.

	14-04-2004 00:03									#299
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs You have to edit APOL_const.txt like this: ...

Thanks Peter...

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quote: If you just add that single line you get the game running, but you don't get trade routes work properly. With this setup they don't follow roads, railroads or maglevs, and you always need for the wohle game a lot of caravans to establish trade routes, because you can't decrease the distances and therefore you can't decrease the number of Caravans needed.

Trade routes are supposed to follow roads now? OK, I'll go and do it with the new mod utility for my next session...

One bug, BTW - if I get a diplomacy proposal, something's definitely wrong there. I get either their proposal, but on the left it says "The xx have ACCEPTED our proposal" (rather than say that we got a proposal), and I only have the OK button instead of accept & reject. Or, it says that they REJECTED proposal, I get the OK and Threat buttons - again, this happens when THEY send me a proposal.