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chegitz guevara is offline chegitz guevara
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Yes, but you're an idiot.

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Winning friends and influencing people again, eh Che?

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You are a commie. Do you think Dean wants to be associated with self-proclaimed out and out commies? Fellow travelers need to stay under wraps.

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JohnT, always.

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Dean is such a dink...

Sad thing is I think he has a much better chance of getting the nomination from the democrats, however I think only Kerry has a good chance of beating Bush in an election.

Its like a catch 22 for the democrats.

Oh, and for the record, I'll be voting democrat in the next election (yes, I can vote).

Imran: You never struck me as the type of person to vote demo... I would have guessed you'd back Bush.

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He talks a good conservative game, but Imran's actually a flaming commie.

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Imran's a little softie. I'm the Cro-Magnon that wants to napalm your babies.

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He talks a good conservative game, but Imran's actually a flaming commie.


Haha, I wouldn't go that far! But he's probably like me, I'm fairly conservative, but I just think that Bush's time in office has been, shall we say, "over-stayed"... its time for a new face.

Hey, has anyone started a poll yet that had all the candidates on it? I'd be interested to see who would win in a mock apolyton election...

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Not necessarily. Some of it certainly does, but there's no clearcut answer to the question of how much does the consumer pay for what level of reliability? Even if you take the corporate plundering out of the picture, you had a convegence of demand, capacity and economic issues that isn't likely to hit California that severely in the next fifty years or more.

Expecting sustained droughts across half a continent, including poor snowfalls in the winter, to coincide with record population and economic growth, coupled with the hottest average summer temperature on record to that date is the sort of thing that would have ratepayers and regulators screaming about goldplating and consumer gouging. Part of it really comes down to a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation where you can't afford so much redundancy in system capacity, because nobody will pay for the excess capital outlay.

If you look at California now, there are unused peaking plants all over the place that are never getting called on. A huge number of planned projects that were part of the last minute crisis planning have since been abandoned at various stages of development, and the state has a significant overcapacity once again, even though very little (about three percent of normal annual peak demand) new capacity was added from 1999 to 2003. That three percent added capacity is tiny, when you consider that California now has about 27% overcapacity, and minimum reserve requirements are about 15% overcapacity.


What a mess. That makes it a bit clearer. I've been wondering for a while about the causes.

Our problems in NZ would have been averted by keeping the power generation public, but altering its structure to make it a state owned enterprise. If the government had stopped there, things would have been better, as almost everyone now admits.

I guess it matters where you start from.

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MichealtheGreat.

Geographic labour mobility has been a symptom of American capitalism for well since since the ineption of the U.S.A.

This would have been planned for, since it would have entered into the statistics. The rise in single person households is a new socially determined factor which has perhaps not entered any calculation(?)


Labor mobility has had different root causes, however - first, general expansion, then you had the California oil boom, significant industrial displacement to the Pacific Northwest for WW2 logistical reasons (and the expiration of the subsidized 40 and 50 year Bonneville Power Administration contracts related to that WW2 displacement was a key issue in the California power mess in 2000)

Ultimately, you can't plan accurately for major labor mobility changes in the US, because so much of that is now tied to commercial and technology sectors, rather than traditional heavy industries, so the lead times for major work force and energy demand displacements is far less than it has been, and is far less than the lead time for adding generating or transmission capacity on a utility-level scale.

Most of the California problem really came down to loss of alternate capacity sources, rather than in-system capacity and demand issues. It was a classic example of a catastrophic loss of elasticity in a commodity market that is highly dependent on supply elasticity.

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You have discovered one case of 'sleaziness', which frankly is somewhat reactionary since it is obviously a response to the accusatons of Cheney's sleaziness. It's the usual " he did it, so why can't I do it too?" routine.

Can you present anyone with further evidence of Dean's socalled sleazyness. Some sleazyness which does not serve the purpose of making a relativization out of Repblican sleazyness.


He's a mother****ing draft dodger. That's enough in my book, although if there was ever a draft that deserved dodging, the one for 'Nam was it.

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He's a mother****ing draft dodger. That's enough in my book, although if there was ever a draft that deserved dodging, the one for 'Nam was it.


Draftdodging is one of those things I don't mind so much. I don't think the state has a right to tell me I have to pick up a gun and fight, or even join the forces period. Same as they don't have a right to tell me I have to work at Wendy's.

Leave that kind of stuff to the Europeans...

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All right John. I vaguely remember hearing about these myself.

I admit that if Osama really said this, then he must have been the brain behind the operation. Then again, it will be up to the court to decide if the recordings are really from him. I'll only have absolute trust on the origin of the recordings if an independant trial can prove they are from Ben Laden.

So I persist: What Dean did is a purely political mistake, not an ethical one. He was right in saying what he said, however clumsy it may have been (especially when quoted out of its context, which the medias love to do).

As a foreigner, I sincerely hope he gets elected. It will be better for all of us- including Americans, who may not always realize the accumulation of hatred towards them in the international community.

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As a foreigner, I sincerely hope he gets elected.


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Allegations warrent investigation.




then why have you already convicted them... but that's right, since it is Bush and company, you have already judged them without any facts to really work with

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So I persist: What Dean did is a purely political mistake, not an ethical one. He was right in saying what he said, however clumsy it may have been (especially when quoted out of its context, which the medias love to do).

As a foreigner, I sincerely hope he gets elected. It will be better for all of us- including Americans, who may not always realize the accumulation of hatred towards them in the international community.


Oncle B, Dean was wrong not because he said that OBL should get a fair trial, but because he essentially said that WE should not try him but the the Hague should, because that means Osama bin Laden would not get the death penalty if found guilty. To most Americans, this is simply outrageous.

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He's a mother****ing draft dodger. That's enough in my book, although if there was ever a draft that deserved dodging, the one for 'Nam was it.


Leave draftdodgers alone! The owner of my favourite bookstore and a friend of mine is a DD from the 60s. He liked it so much, he stayed.

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i don't care who tries obl, i don't think he should get the death penalty. stick him in a 2.5x3x3 box for the rest of his life, but don't give him the death penalty.

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Stick him in a cell with Bubba.

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Clinton?

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Oncle B, Dean was wrong not because he said that OBL should get a fair trial, but because he essentially said that WE should not try him but the the Hague should, because that means Osama bin Laden would not get the death penalty if found guilty. To most Americans, this is simply outrageous.


I thought most Americans were now in fact against the death penalty.

Also how do you propose that Osama bin Laden is supposed to get a fair trial in the US. Especially considering that the persons convicted of the first attempt on the WTC were probably the victims of an FBI sting operation.

The idea that you can trick someone into being participants in a crime, provide them with the materials, provide them with immunity from intervention by authorities, and provide them with know how - and then let them be tried while the agent who fooled them into the crime is at the same time used as a key witness or his story (affidavit?) as key evidence, strikes me as not being in accordance with the jurisprudence laid down by the traditions of either Roman nor Germanic law. Although it may be in perfect accordance with British Imperial Law?

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I thought most Americans were now in fact against the death penalty.


You thought wrong... VERY wrong. I think the last numbers still had around 65-70% in favor of the DP.

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Clinton?


No, I was thinking a big black man. A lonely, big, black man.

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Also how do you propose that Osama bin Laden is supposed to get a fair trial in the US. Especially considering that the persons convicted of the first attempt on the WTC were probably the victims of an FBI sting operation.


Huh?

Clinton did what?

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He's a mother****ing draft dodger. That's enough in my book, although if there was ever a draft that deserved dodging, the one for 'Nam was it.


Didn't George W. Bush dodge the service during Vietnam War too?

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Since when did MtG like George Bush?

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Yes, but you're an idiot.


You do so well in expressing disagreement without insults, don't ya?

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He's taking a chapter from OB's book...

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According to Gallup, 64% of Americans support the death penalty.

http://www.bet.com/articles/0,,c1gb8328-9176,00.html

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Huh?

Clinton did what?


Clinton instituted the greatest policy scheme for the prevention of a future terrorist attack on the US, after the bombings of the African embassies. Clinton, I suppose, did not have the power to install the dirctor of the FBI. However he did have the power of installing George Tenet as director of the CIA. He was however ignored by the Republicans as he tried to warn the Bush administration of a possible attack. These warnings were ignored. The fact that the Bush team since tried to make Tenet the fall guy for the wrong intelligence info on Saddam's lack of WMD possesion is further testimony to the fact that the whole process has been overly politicized by the Republicans, and that to an extent where it has endangered the security of not only the US (as seen), but also valuable allies.

 
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