12-03-2004 07:45									#241
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Bush failed to pursue his own policy wrt Afghanistan to its proper limits. Instead, he engaged in a reckless war in Iraq that had nothing to do with Al Queda or terrorism that diverted our forces and attention away from the real problem. If Al-Queda is behind this, then I have to ask how they would have gotten away with such a well-coordinated attack if our intelligence and special forces resources weren't improperly engaged elsewhere.

Can we please keep the political propaganda (and nonsense) in this thread to a minimum? I don't like people using these attacks as a basis for political smear campaigns.

	12-03-2004 07:49									#242
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Says he who was first to mouthing off political propaganda in the thread...

OliverFA asked a question, I provided what I feel is an honest answer. If you don't like it, go hang out with Misses Winston and Paiktis.

	12-03-2004 07:52									#243
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quote: I don't like people using these attacks as a basis for political smear campaigns.

I mostly dislike people calling "political propaganda" ideas they disagree with.

	12-03-2004 07:53									#244
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Says he who was first to mouthing off political propaganda in the thread...

Well I was a bit angry then and it was the heat of the moment. Now I'm just plain depressed. I was looking forward to a peaceful election start and that hope was brutally shattered. My aura is just non-existent. First a lot of bad stuff happens to me, then something evil happens to my countrymen (including one of my friends).

	12-03-2004 07:58									#245
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Oh, you're just throwing them left and right Boris. You can be such an ass when you put your mind to it.

	12-03-2004 08:03									#246
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Oh, you're just throwing them left and right Boris. You can be such an ass when you put your mind to it.

I don't have to put my mind to it, really.

But I also don't like personal cat fights in threads about national tragedies. Distinctly tasteless.

	12-03-2004 08:12									#247
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@ giancarlo vs mrt

to be fair giancarlo, you did jump to the conclusion it was ETA... and the whole Basque situation has political implications.

I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but I suspect it is Alfred Qaeda. 3/11, 9/11, 911 days separating (except for dumbasses forgot about leap year).

Either way, these terrorists are **** eating assfaces

	12-03-2004 08:13									#248
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quote: Originally posted by Sava to be fair giancarlo, you did jump to the conclusion it was ETA... and the whole Basque situation has political implications.

Heat of the moment.

Don't forget sava, ETA has killed 800 over three or four decades and it was logical to think so. And still it is logical to think so. However, I want a full investigation. I have this awful feeling telling me that Al Qaeda and ETA worked together.

quote: Either way, these terrorists are **** eating assfaces

	12-03-2004 08:16									#249
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quote: I have this awful feeling telling me that Al Qaeda and ETA worked together.

yeah... I feel sorry for the Basque people. They want to be autanomous, but yet, they have *******s going around blowing **** up in their name (not including today's tragedy).

C'mon Giancarlo, you and I need to get some HK G36's and pwn these ****ers.

	12-03-2004 08:20									#250
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"C'mon Giancarlo, you and I need to get some HK G36's and pwn these ****ers. "

yeeeeeeeeeeeehaaaaa. Home-made justice straight from Texas.

	12-03-2004 08:20									#251
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quote: Originally posted by Sava yeah... I feel sorry for the Basque people. They want to be autanomous, but yet, they have *******s going around blowing **** up in their name (not including today's tragedy). C'mon Giancarlo, you and I need to get some HK G36's and pwn these ****ers.

ETA doesn't speak for the Basque people. One of my good friends here is from the Basque region.. and a very friendly person.

In Spain, we have the ability of speaking our hearts and protesting in mass. I think we are going to have millions out in the streets in the following days, including many basques themselves protesting against such hideous violence.

But I have no problem smoking these ETA ****ers who did this.

	12-03-2004 08:27									#252
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quote: Originally posted by Sava @ giancarlo vs mrt to be fair giancarlo, you did jump to the conclusion it was ETA... and the whole Basque situation has political implications. I don't want to jump to any conclusions, but I suspect it is Alfred Qaeda. 3/11, 9/11, 911 days separating (except for dumbasses forgot about leap year). Either way, these terrorists are **** eating assfaces

Leap Year is an infidel invention. How dare you even mention it.

	12-03-2004 08:28									#253
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u mean the ETA ****ers who didnt do this?

	12-03-2004 08:44									#254
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quote: In Spain, we have the ability of speaking our hearts and protesting in mass.

You said it, but the huge mass protests against the spanish participation in Iraq were worthless. Although, I understand Aznar's decision, since 7-8% of Spain agreed with the iraq invasion.


We'll call it...democracy....

	12-03-2004 08:51									#255
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quote: Originally posted by M'sieur Baise You said it, but the huge mass protests against the spanish participation in Iraq were worthless. Although, I understand Aznar's decision, since 7-8% of Spain agreed with the iraq invasion. We'll call it...democracy....

Oh please. Don't bring that in there. It is a different issue, I just don't agree with many people in my country, rather I agree with Aznar on that issue. He's right.

	12-03-2004 08:58									#256
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Giancarlo...Do you live in Spain or L.A.?
So it seems that Spain is your country as much as it's mine. But until we both live there, please keep sending your contribution to humanity by voting Republican.

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Haha

	12-03-2004 09:02									#258
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	12-03-2004 09:32									#259
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Don't forget sava, ETA has killed 800 over three or four decades and it was logical to think so. And still it is logical to think so.

Not quite, doofus. It's in fact illogical to accuse someone without any proof.

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quote: Originally posted by Winston Yes, obvious Double Logins with naughty handles can be a lot of fun.

Yeah, that's it, M'Sieur Baise is Tripledoc's DL.

	12-03-2004 09:34									#261
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quote: Originally posted by M'sieur Baise Giancarlo...Do you live in Spain or L.A.? So it seems that Spain is your country as much as it's mine. But until we both live there, please keep sending your contribution to humanity by voting Republican.

L.A. I hate it here. But truly I am and always will be Spanish.

It is both of our country. We just have differing opinions. That's legal in Spain now.

	12-03-2004 09:42									#262
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quote: Originally posted by M'sieur Baise Giancarlo...Do you live in Spain or L.A.? So it seems that Spain is your country as much as it's mine. But until we both live there, please keep sending your contribution to humanity by voting Republican.

I don't think Giancarlo votes Republican. Too left-wing for him. Last time we heard, he was supporting Franco.

	12-03-2004 09:42									#263
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quote: Originally posted by yaroslav On the other hand. Although Spain has fought muslim, that is becuase we're neighbours.

One of the bin Laden tapes said that Spain would be targetted because of it's crusader history and because it supported the invasion of Iraq.

	12-03-2004 09:50									#264
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris I don't think Giancarlo votes Republican. Too left-wing for him. Last time we heard, he was supporting Franco.

As much as Fez may deserve it, let's try to keep the flaming in this thread to a minimum.

jon.

	12-03-2004 09:53									#265
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Question: did the Basque people agree with the ETA before they had their autonomy, and dropped support after Madrid offered some concessions?

	12-03-2004 09:55									#266
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quote: Originally posted by Giancarlo Don't forget sava, ETA has killed 800 over three or four decades and it was logical to think so.

No it wasn't. Each terrorist organization has an MO. My gut instincts about what group is behind a particular attack is very rarely wrong. This attack has the claw marks of AQ all over it. When I woke up this morning to the news, despite the radio saying it was ETA, I was pretty sure it was AQ.

	12-03-2004 10:00									#267
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Question: did the Basque people agree with the ETA before they had their autonomy, and dropped support after Madrid offered some concessions?

Euskadi support for the ETA was once very high, but it has been dropping since the 80s. The ETA was once a left-wing organization, but it has become more and more nationalist and less and less Marxist over time.

During the 1980, Spanish deaths squads targeted suspected ETA members, and the ETA went a little nuts, targetting more civilians and losing people's support.

These days they're little more than a criminal cult.

	12-03-2004 10:24									#268
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Terrorism is a sad thing, but sometimes people are just looking for it. National autonomous movements are valid causes IMO, and those who don't want to recognize them are exposing themselves to risks.

This said, it seems like 'negociating' with terrorists can be successful, as demonstrated by the massive opposition to the terror act in Basque territory.

EDIT: I mean that granting them autonomy has turned them into a mostly peaceful people.

	12-03-2004 10:25									#269
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These facts speak for an ETA involvement and against Al Qaeda:

1. Spanish authorities have been cracking down hard on them, possibly infuriating extreme fringe groups.

2. Spanish authorities received intelligence of massive ETA attacks against trains in Dec. last year.

3. Spanish authorities intercepted an ETA van laden with 1000 lbs of explosives on Feb 29.

4. No suicide attacks this time.

5. That Al-Masri and or whoever claimed the responsibility is not for real. That guy or group has claimed the responsility for the power outage last year and denied the responsibility for car-bombing Shias in Karbela this year. We know these were not the case.

6. Lots of maniacs these days are quick to divert attention to Al Qaeda. Remember the Anthrax mailer? That guy was clearly an American who wanted the Patriot Act to pass.


These facts speak against ETA and for Al Qaeda:
1. Well coordinated attacks that went beyond the ability of ETA.

2. There was a warning by Zawahiri a few weeks ago.

3. The attack differed greatly from ETA trademark.

4. Van found with detonators and Arabic Koran tape.


My take on that: 60% ETA and 40% Al-Qaeda.


If the explosives used in the attacks matched the ones seized on Feb 29, then I would say 75% ETA and 25% Al Qaeda.

	12-03-2004 10:28									#270
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Terrorism is a sad thing, but sometimes people are just looking for it.

Yeah. Some people just deserve to be murdered.