12-03-2004 06:27									#211
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Looks like several people in this thread need to grow up.

	12-03-2004 06:27									#212
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Just to clarify a bit about the left/right subject... ETA is extreme left. They are being supported by the right independentist party (currently in basque government). When left and right get extreme, both are autoritarian. Anyway, you cannot do much right politics when you get autoritarian, but they think they can.

	12-03-2004 06:30									#213
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quote: Originally posted by Winston Wrong, paiktis22. A personal exchange would be throwing insults around like you were getting ready to when you insinuated I held extremist views. Responding on the thread topic would be debating.

I admire your logic.

You suggested I take my view of you and stick it somewhere nice and warm. After you claimed radical left groups like to kill establishment or whatever?


Really Winston, I don't dig your fascination with me. Grow up, don't let me get to you so much, believe me if I wanted to, you'd know it by now.
Let's get back to the topic shall we?

*sigh* that sounded familiar

	12-03-2004 06:32									#214
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA Just to clarify a bit about the left/right subject... ETA is extreme left. They are being supported by the right independentist party (currently in basque government). When left and right get extreme, both are autoritarian. Anyway, you cannot do much right politics when you get autoritarian, but they think they can.

EXACTLY!

	12-03-2004 06:33									#215
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I'm not the least bit fascinated with you, sorry. You'd have to present us with an entirely different side of yourself for that to happen.

And yes, since you were the one who got us sidetracked, by all means let's get back to the topic.

	12-03-2004 06:33									#216
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc This is your troll not mine. I'm just trying to see where it leads.

it wasnt leading anywhere. I was just trying to be cliche. You found me out. Bonus Points for not losing your composure.

	12-03-2004 06:34									#217
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You sidestepped the whole thread just to attack me Winston. Has happened before. Should I just call you a nazi again and have Ming here so he can put some order? Or are you ready to do it yourself?

	12-03-2004 06:35									#218
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hey the a-rabs did it

	12-03-2004 06:35									#219
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA Just to clarify a bit about the left/right subject... ETA is extreme left. They are being supported by the right independentist party (currently in basque government). When left and right get extreme, both are autoritarian. Anyway, you cannot do much right politics when you get autoritarian, but they think they can.

Self provingly right.

	12-03-2004 06:36									#220
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they found a van full of recordings of the koran and detonators. in madrid

	12-03-2004 06:37									#221
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and it happened 911 days after 9/11 !!!

	12-03-2004 06:37									#222
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 You sidestepped the whole thread just to attack me Winston. Has happened before. Should I just call you a nazi again and have Ming here so he can put some order? Or are you ready to do it yourself?

I didn't attack you, where did you get that notion. I pointed out the ridiculousness of your claim that the US was trying to divide Europe, and that the terrorists were trying the same. Where's the attack in that?

And for the latter part of your post, you have been reported. I told you earlier I would not tolerate this any longer.

	12-03-2004 06:38									#223
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Girls, get over it or take it outside, plz. We'd like to actually have some interesting posts here.

	12-03-2004 06:43									#224
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Why were the Spanish so quick to jump to the wrong conclusion (ETA) ? The German news reported it as a possible Al-Q action right from the start.

These poor ETA guys nearly got the blame right before the elections.

-Jam

	12-03-2004 06:43									#225
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Today I stand with the people of Spain and the families of the victums in their moment of loss. I hope that this is not because of your support for the US. Today we are all brothers. You are in my prayers.

	12-03-2004 06:51									#226
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yea, i figured it wasnt ETA. didnt fit the way they operate.

	12-03-2004 06:58									#227
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It was too early to blame only ETA before, and it's still too early to blame only the arab extremists now. Little has changed.

	12-03-2004 07:01									#228
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA Please, donīt manipulate public opinion. Itīs ok to say what everyone things, but not to put words in other peopleīs mouth.

Blame TV, newspapers, the internet and the polls, not me.

And lest you forget, you don't have a crystall ball either, do you?

Still, I won't pursue the subject farther.

	12-03-2004 07:05									#229
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Why were the Spanish so quick to jump to the wrong conclusion (ETA) ? The German news reported it as a possible Al-Q action right from the start. These poor ETA guys nearly got the blame right before the elections.

Very nice way of talking about assassins. "Those poor guys".

Maybe tomorrow we are saying "Why was Jamski too quick to jump over the Spanish governemnt?".

Everyone in Spain (even the people who know say it was Al-Qaeda) thought it was ETA. It was (and still is) the logical conclussion. They have been trying to do it for many months and the city of Madrid represents everything ETA hates.

The government itself has recognized that there are some clues that could point to Al-Qaeda. So they are not as immobilistic and some people want to picture them. Also, the government says (and itīs the logical thing) that the primary suspect is still ETA.

	12-03-2004 07:06									#230
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Well, I just lost 30 minutes looking at people going " I'm so sad of what happened. God bless Spain, etc."

Ok. I agree the whole thing is still unclear. Actually, there are still some clues that Al-Quaeda MAY have been at the origin of the carnage. But if it is the case, we're in trouble. A bombing in a crowded subway station in Tokyo or London will do a lot worse than in Madrid.

Let's suppose it's Al-Quaeda. I guess most of you guys will still agree with Bush's post-9/11 policy, and probably with even more conviction.

Please. "Explain" this to me.

	12-03-2004 07:11									#231
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quote: Originally posted by JCG Blame TV, newspapers, the internet and the polls, not me. And lest you forget, you don't have a crystall ball either, do you?

Iīm tired to hear what "catalan people" think. I am starting to wonder if I am Catalan, because I never agree with what "catalan people" think.

Iīm tired to hear at polls that everybody dislikes PP and then they always win.

Consequently, polls donīt have much value for me. In both senses. I didnīt say that people were in favour. I just say that it cannot be said that they were against. You can say that people who was in the street was against the war. But what about people at home? Itīs very dangerous to substitute real democracy (what people votes at elections) by polls and interpretations of public opinion made by "experts".

	12-03-2004 07:15									#232
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quote: Originally posted by M'sieur Baise Let's suppose it's Al-Quaeda. I guess most of you guys will still agree with Bush's post-9/11 policy, and probably with even more conviction. Please. "Explain" this to me.

I will explain it with a question: In which way a policy oposed to that of Mr. Bush will help preventing this kind of attacks?

	12-03-2004 07:20									#233
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quote: Originally posted by OliverFA I will explain it with a question: In which way a policy oposed to that of Mr. Bush will help preventing this kind of attacks?

Bush failed to pursue his own policy wrt Afghanistan to its proper limits. Instead, he engaged in a reckless war in Iraq that had nothing to do with Al Queda or terrorism that diverted our forces and attention away from the real problem.

If Al-Queda is behind this, then I have to ask how they would have gotten away with such a well-coordinated attack if our intelligence and special forces resources weren't improperly engaged elsewhere.

	12-03-2004 07:25									#234
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Bush failed to pursue his own policy wrt Afghanistan to its proper limits. Instead, he engaged in a reckless war in Iraq that had nothing to do with Al Queda or terrorism that diverted our forces and attention away from the real problem. If Al-Queda is behind this, then I have to ask how they would have gotten away with such a well-coordinated attack if our intelligence and special forces resources weren't improperly engaged elsewhere.

Boris, AQ is the symptom. Oppressive governments and traditions of violence is what causes radical fundamentalism. The face of the ME had to change or AQ could never be defeated. You really are smart enough to see that...eventually.

	12-03-2004 07:27									#235
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO Boris, AQ is the symptom. Opressive governments and traditions of violence is what causes radical fundamentalism. The face of the ME had to change or AQ could never be defeated. You really are smart enough to see that...eventually.

Too bad Iraq II had nothing to do with eliminating an oppressive government. If it did, I'd hardly think we'd be using Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as our staunch allies, now would we?

	12-03-2004 07:28									#236
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Too bad Iraq II had nothing to do with eliminating an oppressive government. If it did, I'd hardly think we'd be using Saudi Arabia and Pakistan as our staunch allies, now would we?

Good point. But its a start and it was the easiest one to do. Let's both hope Bush isn't quite the idiot you believe him to be and that freedom gains a foothold in the ME.

	12-03-2004 07:31									#237
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quote: Originally posted by PLATO But its a start and it was the easiest one to do.

Because it was defenseless.

	12-03-2004 07:34									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Because it was defenseless.

I walked right into that one, didn't I?

	12-03-2004 07:41									#239
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there are 912 days between 9/11/01 and 3/11/04. i guess they didnt realize that the infidel calender had a leap year.

	12-03-2004 07:42									#240
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quote: I will explain it with a question: In which way a policy oposed to that of Mr. Bush will help preventing this kind of attacks?

How original.

I thought I asked a question, but hey. I'm not going to get in the little game and throw back another question.

You guys mentionned earlier how you were surprised of the attack taking place in a train. Originally, the bombs were set to explode when the train was in the station . But because the train had a few minutes delay, it exploded at a reasonable distance from the station. Now imagine the number of deaths if the bombs had exploded 2 minutes later.

Remember that Al-Quaeda is able to recruit people willing to die for their cause. Even with a tight security, anything can happen. Will it be in a subway station or in new year's eve, when hundreds of thousands new yorkers are gathered to celebrate, there will always be chances that a terrorist act may happen, despite all the airport security, surveillance cameras and snipers.

Let's be realistic. Even by increasing military spending each year, to the point of assraping its own economy, the U.S. cannot toss every terrorist in Guantanamo. The 9/11 attacks cost a grand total of 500,000$ for Al-Quaeda. That, and few men. With a little money, a good plan, and a few damaged braincells, it's that easy to bring a country to its knees.

OK, Oliver. I didn't answer the question. But that was the point, no?