29-04-2004 23:43									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Led Zep Phalanx on mountain Once in a CtP2 MP game i had some 24 Knights doing nothing so just before getting Cavalry i threw them one-by-one at my opponents border city, i didnt take the city obviously, but it started at size 12 and ended at size 5 and the 40% chance of killing a pop by assault is the same in CtP1, although i havent had the chance to use it in CtP1 yet.

is that a flat 40% chance independent of unit strengths, city walls, ... ?

	30-04-2004 00:32									#122
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AFAIK it is independant. Its in const.txt:

BOMBARD_KILL_POP_CHANCE 0.1
ASSAULT_KILL_POP_CHANCE 0.4
CAPTURE_KILL_POP_CHANCE 1.0

	30-04-2004 00:38									#123
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora CAPTURE_KILL_POP_CHANCE 1.0

hmm but i have experienced that a capture reduced the population by 2.
thanks for the info.

another question:
does anyone know if there is a free download site for Sid Meier's colonization anywhere ?

	30-04-2004 02:12									#124
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The loss of 2 pop in a city is problably because you first attack the troops in the city and no matter if you win or loose the attack the pop can decrease with 1. Then if you capture it, the pop will drop 1 more.

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quote: Originally posted by Dimytes The loss of 2 pop in a city is problably because you first attack the troops in the city and no matter if you win or loose the attack the pop can decrease with 1. Then if you capture it, the pop will drop 1 more. ©Dimytes 2004

	01-05-2004 15:47									#126
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LOL blackice , GL died 3 years ago at least, get on with your life.
I pretty much only play Yoda these days so i dont what your on about. And he wins about 60% of the time.
If you played this game half as much as you ***** and moan, you might have been able to beat me. Theres plenty of players taht play online that are just as good as me , so if you dont believe how good i am, play necheav Attila filix of Grafxfx. Cause i doubt we will ever play again LOLOLOLOL

P.S Gav never beat me (-:

	01-05-2004 15:54									#127
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Btw, I thought this was a strategy thread, I might have missunderstood the topic though...

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quote: Originally posted by Dimytes Btw, I thought this was a strategy thread, I might have missunderstood the topic though...

apparently

quote: Originally posted by Dimytes

are those two vikings taking a prisoner there ?

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quote: Originally posted by Paulno1 P.S Gav never beat me (-:

Paul, it was a big deal for me to beat you just the once (we played three or four times?).. And in the game where I was taking your cities, you just blanked me totally on a continuation.. I don't know whether I would have won, but I have to say you left me to assume that you THOUGHT I could win, and as such refused to continue.

I played Yoda once, and got the distinct impression I would have no chance whatsoever of beating him. Filix, I played, and he is a great opponent and prepared to spend time analysing the result.

I do not feel confident to play against certain people now, although my on line game seems to be pretty good. I think I simply do not know most people, and well frankly do not trust their integrity, which is a shame. I prefer to play the straight forward unmodded game with no cracks, no cheats and well since I know and have seen demonstrated what people CAN do, I am lead to assume some people WILL do..

	01-05-2004 17:51									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka Paul, it was a big deal for me to beat you just the once (we played three or four times?).. And in the game where I was taking your cities, you just blanked me totally on a continuation.. I don't know whether I would have won, but I have to say you left me to assume that you THOUGHT I could win, and as such refused to continue. I played Yoda once, and got the distinct impression I would have no chance whatsoever of beating him. Filix, I played, and he is a great opponent and prepared to spend time analysing the result. I do not feel confident to play against certain people now, although my on line game seems to be pretty good. I think I simply do not know most people, and well frankly do not trust their integrity, which is a shame. I prefer to play the straight forward unmodded game with no cracks, no cheats and well since I know and have seen demonstrated what people CAN do, I am lead to assume some people WILL do..

I know Gav...

Sometimes in a game..you see things that make you ponder how could that be possible

Like when playing Blackice one day..he is a great player BUT well..er.um..he had some units that I never could build or research

Is this possible..

Then i am thinking..maybe this is some sort of new system in Canada

Canadian Armed Nuclear Unmanned Covert Killall or something..C.A.N.U.C.K. for short

Ok..just a little humor..now next game i probably WILL SEE THIS UNIT!!

OK..i'LL BE GOOD NOW!

Peace

Grandpa "Luv's-His-Ancestors (& Blackice 2!!)"Troll

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troll you certainly put a very interesting perspective on things... Stay unique my friend..

Played and beat Blackice last night. Was a great game, but I had better land and far better trade available..

Blackice has been banned for speaking his mind.. It is not much of a forum where it is so heavily moderated that we cannot do such a thing.. He contributes far more than most people, and his comments promote healthy debate.. Each person has the right to reply to anything that is said, and for a third party to intervene as Judge and Jury is unacceptable in my opinion.

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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka troll you certainly put a very interesting perspective on things... Stay unique my friend.. Played and beat Blackice last night. Was a great game, but I had better land and far better trade available.. Blackice has been banned for speaking his mind.. It is not much of a forum where it is so heavily moderated that we cannot do such a thing.. He contributes far more than most people, and his comments promote healthy debate.. Each person has the right to reply to anything that is said, and for a third party to intervene as Judge and Jury is unacceptable in my opinion.

Who banned blackice? And when? I was banned once for using foul language ... and rightly so. Keep the words clean otherwise this forum turns into just another grammar school cuss word -- (oh my! ) -- chat room.

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I am not sure who banned him quinns, the reason would be for suggesting that Paulno1 did not quite tell the truth, and well I remember Paulno1 saying he did ramp, then denied it afterwards.. This is not a libelous comment, as it actually was said which is the irritating thing. Now I have just repeated something I know to be true do I get banned too??

I am irritated by this whole debacle, and maybe chance should be given to clear it up?

Paulno1, do you accept that in old Gameleague days you used to rush buy switch , and never told your opponents?

Was it you that discovered ramping? Or who told you?

I had a save on my old computer of a game with Paul (and several other players) which showed Paul ramping.. I wish I had it now. We all know this happened in the past, and I do hope thats what it is the past..

I have seen in action a game breaker, SPECIFICALLY written by someone to cheat at CTP.. It was written not for Esoteric reasons, but to cheat.. It is when used difficult to detect, I wonder who it is that was using it.. For sure someone was..

	02-05-2004 08:59									#134
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I'm beginning to get irritated with Paulno1 (a.k.a. Paul). I don't know how many times that I have defended him here on this forum and elsewhere. I'm getting sick of it.

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	02-05-2004 13:15									#135
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Could you please create a "flame Paul thread" so I don't have to check this thread for new strategy info everytime just to find that someone has posted a rant about Paul?

©Dimytes 2004

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quote: Originally posted by Dimytes Could you please create a "flame Paul thread" so I don't have to check this thread for new strategy info everytime just to find that someone has posted a rant about Paul? ©Dimytes 2004

Apologies Dimytes.. BUT I did consider it strategy, the way people play by the rules, or otherwise is part of the strategy people use. Point taken however..

Okay strategy..

When do people consider it time to build caravans?? Considering they have a lengthy construction time, and can interfere with civ growth and development?

My suggestion is as follows.. A Settler churn to around 25 cities is necessary, using ships and warriors to locate best sites for new cities, looking for double and triple monos.. After a city has built a granary and an aquaduct (and nothing else) I place city onto Caravan churn until Mills.. I usually in this time have 4 or 5 double monos available, and carefully make sure I have trade goods in other cities to complete that Mono. I let (apart from early cities) trade cities grow with no more than one settler out. If a city has less than four turns to out a Caravan when I get Mills, then I build the Mill after that Caravan, otherwise it is straight to Mills. I max prod (still allowing some growth) in the Mill cities. My science at Mills, it usually around 1,000, and raises to around 1,300 when I complete any unbuilt markets and banks.. I ALWAYS go for Banks before Mills, as it gives me sufficient gold to start purchasing things when I really NEED to. I build a few ships, and have Commie as my Factories are coming out.. Then it is war.. Always war.. Kill crush and destroy.

PBEM pollutes your game, it makes you play differently.. Don't think so much.. I goosed up a game with Mathemamagician this way. But two games against Blackice online have put me right.. I kept it Basic, I did not alter my overall Strategy for external pressures (like my trade cities being bombarded by SOLS) .

	02-05-2004 17:33									#137
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what did you goose up in our game, gav ?

i think you are being too generic in the game setting assumptions here.
what if you have a few goods world ? you would need to spread out with the ship/warrior/settler strategy way too far to defend yourself in order to get all the trade goods you want.
what if you play on a small world ? have a strong AI neighbor who is hassling you on one side, wide unexplored ocean on the other ?

okay, lets keep it to the settings of our game: gigantic world, peaceful exploration, many trade goods.
as for caravans, i build them after aqueducts too, IF i dont have mills yet. if i do, however, i usually build the mills first. i try to build one trade center (at least double mono) up early though.
if i find a triple mono and have already expanded a bit, i build this city up as a trade center immediately. if it is a trade good on terrain where i can build medium fisheries or farms and i have those, i maximize food in this city with infrastructure and start building marketplace and then bank right away, no granary, aqueduct, mill or settler. those buildings come later, triple trade cities never build settlers.

as for bank, i try to get the maximum out of the ultra-efficient warrior unit, so i go to bureaucracy (and thus banking) rather late. the more warriors you have for scouting and emergency defense versus barbarians, the less other military you need early on, thus more ressources for expansion.

another little thing: in cities with few food tiles, but rather mountain with trade good or such, i sometimes build aqueduct before granary to speed up the total growth effect. the granary will usually be finished before the city grows anyway.
for example if you really want one city location, which will allow the city to grow once you can cut the forest and build farms size 2 with AR, but where the city wont grow before that, this is the way.

another strategy that im exploring currently, is to set 2 or 3 cities at the late stage of the theocracy expansion phase to grow and build research buildings. later on these can give you some extra science.

basically, the key is adaption and diversification, as opposed to what my friend Dimytes seems to prefer.

	02-05-2004 17:39									#138
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I cannot answer what I goosed Maths.. I could have been more generous and say I was totally outplayed!

Yeh I do the aqua first when I cannot purchase granary in time.. I did that last night a lot in the game against Blackice...

You have to remember I play on a very narrow group of settings, and so my strategy is inflexible..

I don't know if I am just an arrogant Brit with a hole in my pride.. On line I seem to be able to beat almost everyone, or at least play a tight and close game.. In PBEM you are what? An age (in science) ahead of me? That has never happened to me before.. NEVER!

	02-05-2004 17:51									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka I don't know if I am just an arrogant Brit with a hole in my pride..

who say that ?
who ?

quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka On line I seem to be able to beat almost everyone, or at least play a tight and close game..

if just my online game was working and i had time..

quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka In PBEM you are what? An age (in science) ahead of me? That has never happened to me before.. NEVER!

hehe. quite a lot, but not a full age.

	02-05-2004 19:59									#140
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I always use 100% of my production for Pw after mills or factories. For some turns till i get all my roads, mines,...

I dont build much roads or railway just at the really nessesary hexes.

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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka .. I don't know if I am just an arrogant Brit with a Butthole known as pride.. On line I seem to be able to beat almost every lowlife American infidel.., or at least play a tight and close game.. I am a direct descendant of General Sir Bernard Law Montgomery..In PBEM you are what? A Pimple on my Beautiful British @r$e (in science Buttocks British Maximus Spreadius Wideus) ahead of me or behind me mark the spot I am British @r$e all over!! That has never happened to me before.. NEVER! For I am Britain GREAT Britain..hear me Roar!!

Well Put Gav...Well put!!

Ok..I dont wanna argue with you so I agree with your quote..I am amazed you are so honest..but it is good AND refreshing!!

Peace

Grandpa "Political Press Officer of Trolldom "Troll

	02-05-2004 21:56									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka I cannot answer what I goosed; Maths..um..well..all of Math looked good.... I could have been more generous and say I was totally playing the field..! But alas..I had to leave Apolyton for I couldnt leave the sheepalone !

Its Ok Gav..glad your back

But remember

NO MEANS NO!!!!

(Hugs Gav..hoping wont be misunderstood!!)

Ok Gav enjoy your Motorcycle ride with..um..your furry friend!



Peace

Grandpa "Too much time on my hands" Troll

EDIT: NO ANIMALS OR HUMANS WERE SPARED HUMILITATION IN THIS MONTH PYTHON PARODY!!

	02-05-2004 22:10									#143
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll and 'ere is a pictjer of me 'n my frentz. d'ya recognyz ma ? Grandpa Troll has attached this image:

not exactly.
who on the picture are you ?

	02-05-2004 22:20									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician not exactly. who on the picture are you ? I am the one on bottom ..well...right..I was on bottom where I feel most comfortable

Oh..I am sorry Math...for a moment I thought you were one of my buddies..

Ok..NOW I understand you more!!

GT

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just followed your approved tradition of faking quotes.

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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician just followed your Excellent tradition of formulating quotes. Quotes i say that fearless Leaders will use whilst tending to national Affairs and International Hobnobbing of which even the Moderators herein have never been a witness too

\\Its your fault if you keep feeding me..

Ok..oh yes the Strategy..of CTP Multiplaying..

hmm



Now How can i tie this post in..

Ok..

In order for Trolldom to grow..

Make plenty of Grassland cities and river cities

GENIUS I SAY

Ok..now we are back on topic!!


[almsot that is!!
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quote: Originally posted by Grandpa Troll \\It was a fine move of yours feeding hungry troll.. YOU'RE A GENIUS I SAY Ok..now we are back on topic!! you're the genius of multiplaying strategy.

you're sooo kind to me.

	03-05-2004 21:31									#148
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finally my MP game works.
thanks blackice !
now if you could help me figure out how to play over LAN.

playing with Gavrushka, Blackice and Azrael yesterday night.
i learned something called "pathtracking". if you have a ship with an active unit aboard and drag the mouse cursor into unexplored area, you will see a short green line if the cursor passes over land, instead of the usual yellow line.
this way you can spot land more easily. not the size of it though, as there will always be just one green line element.
no wonder these guys prefer to play newbies like me on all-ocean worlds. LOL
still i cant wait to see how this game goes on. got a slight lead in PG over Gav.

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Math.. Ice (who is still banned) had the saves checked... You were using the mine under city trick.. No one else was.. And Stephan, myself and Ice agree we had said no tricks.

You kept mentioning farm under city trick and even though this was said not to be used you did in fairness say you were going to use it.. On an Island game this is not such a big thing.. BUT mine under city is a game breaker.. It gives about a 25% hike in prod for size 3 cities working two ocean one mountain.

Myself, Stephan and Ice feel a little disappointed.

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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka You kept mentioning farm under city trick and even though this was said not to be used you did in fairness say you were going to use it.. Myself, Stephan and Ice feel a little disappointed.

Gav, i asked 3 times during the game whether we were going to use it as this game was one of multiple restarts of a game where we originally agreed to use it.
i got no clear answer whatsoever that we did NOT use it. only "i dont care. i wont use it."
thats why i clearly said "i will use it unless someone objects". still no one objected, so i used it.

i expected exactly this to happen. thats why i bugged you so long with asking. if you want someone to stick to a rule you should state that rule when specifically asked about it and not just ignore the question.

if you feel disappointed, please not about me.