19-04-2004 22:22									#1
	Turn 177, 610 AD Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Status

- Republic
- Researching Astronomy (1011 beakers stored, need 1344 beakers total, 2 turns left)
- Treasury 375 gold (end of last turn), +47 (+60 CFC) gpt, = 482 gold (at begining of turn).
- Running at 5/5/0 Sci/Tax/Lux

- Anticipated start of GA - Turn 224 (915 AD)


Ministry of the Interior

Economy:

Lakeveiw - building Settler (turn 5 of 10 sched).
For More Info on this, see Moving Lakeview - Case for this
Mingapulco - building Knight (turn 4 of 4 sched).
Chiquita - building Market (turn 6 of 12 sched).
Bananatopia - Knight built, start building Knight/Horse (turn 1 of 3 sched).
Incensity - building Galley (turn 4 of 4 sched).
Dominus - building Barracks (turn 6 of 7 sched).
Tripoli - building Knight (turn 7 of 7 sched).
Mu - building Courthouse (turn 6 of ??TBD?? sched).
Hispanica - building Galley/Caravel (turn 2 of 5 sched).
Power of Victory - building Library (turn 18 of 22 sched).
Eisten Boulen - building Courthouse (turn 9 of ??TBD?? sched).
Karina - building Aquaduct (turn 6 of 10 sched).
Lux Invicta - Worker built, start building Settler (turn 1 of 7 sched).
Big Bend - building Market (turn 11 of 18 sched).
BigFurryCity - building Aquaduct (turn 13 of 16 sched).
Apolyton Prime - building Colusseum (turn 4 of 6 sched).
This is the STEALTH prebuild start of the Hanging Gardens wonder project, due to complete on turn 191
Del Monte - building Library (turn 16 of 28 sched).
Heart of Darkness - building Harbor (turn 8 of 8 sched).
Elucidium Novem - building Granary (turn 7 of 12 sched).
Note: EN is a designated Worker Pump.
Silk Road - building Courthouse (turn 15 of ??TBD?? sched).
Arcadia - building Granary (turn 24 of 25 sched).
Zenophobia - building Granary (turn 4 of 12 sched).
Note: Zeno is a designated Worker Pump.
Solace - building Aquaduct (turn 9 of 26 sched).
Down Under - building Courthouse (turn 17 of ??TBD?? sched).
Lumentis Bananais - building Galley (turn 15 of 21 sched).
Antlergrad - building Courthouse (turn 14 of ??TBD?? sched).
Area X - building Harbor (turn 14 of 27 sched).
Heros' Summit- building Courthouse (turn 13 of ??TBD?? sched).
Mongoose Abyss - building Galley (turn 12 of 17 sched).
Lumen Musae - building Courthouse (turn 12 of ??TBD?? sched).
Protuberance - building Galley (turn 11 of 18 sched).
Kanaola - building Harbor (turn 11of ??TBD?? sched).
Note: this might change
Cyrene- building Catapult (turn 4 of ??TBD?? sched).
Eye- building Courthouse (turn 10 of ??TBD?? sched).
Vox Publica - building Courthouse (turn 10 of ??TBD?? sched).
Freedom City - building Barracks (turn 3 of ??TBD?? Sched)
Mauretania - building Wealth
Remembrance - building Wealth
Thunder Bay - Building Courthouse (turn 1 of ??TBD?? sched)
Memoria Fraxia - building Courthouse (turn 8 of ??TBD?? sched).


Rushing

See Short, Throughput & Regular Rushing Turn by Turn Approval Thread for general rushing requests
and see Turn 171, 550AD post in that thread for this turn's specific requests and approvals.
Edit the post link when coping and pasting.

NOT READY YET

Possible Mongoose Abyss this turn

To be edited by MoI

Worker Force:

Lakeveiw - starting WF 3-7. NC.
Mingapulco - starting WF 3-6-7-8-9-10-15. NC.
Chiquita - starting WF 1-2-5-6-8-13. NC.
Bananatopia - starting WF 1-2-4-8-13-16-19 (working Game). Change WF to 1-2-4-8-14-16-19 (working Game).
Incensity - starting WF 5-6-7-16-17. Change WF to 5-6-7-14-17.
Dominus - starting WF 1-2-6-8-19. NC.
Tripoli - starting WF 2-7-9-17-18-19. NC.
Mu - starting WF 18. Change WF to 17.
Hispanica - (grows this turn) starting WF 1-2-3-4-12-??20??. Change WF to 1-2-3-4-12-20.
Power of Victory - starting WF 3-9-10-14. NC.
Eisten Boulen - starting WF 4. NC.
Karina - starting WF 3-4-11-13-17-18. Change WF to 4-6-11-13-17-18.
LuxInvicta - (worker built) starting WF ??1-2-11??. Change WF to 1-5-11.
Big Bend - starting WF 1-3-4-6-8. NC.
BigFurryCity - starting WF 5-6-7-8-18-20. Change WF to 5-7-8-18-19-20.
Apolyton Prime - starting WF 1-2-3-4-6-10-17-19-20 & 1 Entertainer. NC.
Del Monte - starting WF 4-10-11. Change WF to 5-10-11.
Heart of Darkness - starting WF 3-4-10-13-17-18. NC.
Elucidium Novem - starting WF 2-3-6-8. NC.
Silk Road - starting WF 9-19. NC.
Arcadia - starting WF 2-6-7-8. NC.
Zenophobia - starting WF 1-2-4. NC.
Solace - starting WF 2-8. NC.
Down Under - starting WF 2-10-12. NC.
Lumentis Bananais - starting WF 3-13-15. NC.
Antlergrad - starting WF 10-11. NC,
Area X - starting WF 3-5. NC.
Hero's Summit - starting WF 6-7. NC.
Mongoose Abyss - starting WF 5.
Lumen Musae - starting WF 1. NC,
Protuberance - Starting WF 20. NC.
Kanaola - starting WF 7. NC.
Cyrene - starting WF 6. NC.
Eye - starting WF 1. NC.
Vox Publica - starting WF 20. Change WF to 4.
Freedom City - starting WF 6. NC.
Mauretania - starting WF 6. NC.
Remembrance - starting WF 8. NC.
Thunder Bay - starting WF 20. NC
Memoria Fraxia - starting WF 8. Change WF to 17.


Workers:

Frodo & Out of Darkness - near Dom - move 9-9-9 (headed to Tripoli Iron).
New Worker from Lux (name him Doc) - move 6-6-6 (headed to Tripoli Iron).
Grumpy group (Grumpy & PG 9 to 12) - near EN - move 8-8-9 (to Dom Iron). Will start Mining next turn. Dom Inon is pillaged NEXT turn.
Bashful - near Lakeview - move 6-8-9, will start roading next turn.
Panagoon - near PoV - move 8 and Mine (3 turns to complete).
Moe - near Chiq - move 6 and Mine (3 turns to complete).
Larry & Empress - near Lum Mus - move 1-2, will start clearing next turn.
rah - near Area X - move 7, will start Roading next turn.
Rush - near Arcadia - move 4 and start Mining (3 turns to complete).
Go3 (MrWIA, EVC & Dejon) - at Solace Iron - move 2, will Mine next turn.
Sleepy - Near Zeno - move 3, will start Roading next turn.
Silky, Yo & Slave Anarchy - at Silk Gold - road built, workers frozen. If any of these is active, move them 8-7 and start Chopping.
Lan, Gits & Dan - near Mon Ab - start Mining (2 turns to complete).
Spike & Moosefart - near Del - Irrigate (done).
PG 7 & 8 - near EN - Road built, 1 is frozen, other not. Move whichever 8, will start Roading next turn.
BigFurryWorker - near BFC - move 4-7-7, will road next turn.
Curly - Mine built, worker frozen.
Press Gane 1 (PG 1 to 6) - near AP Iron - move 9-8-8.
Lib & Slave Farb - 2 turns left to Road.
Screech - 2 turns left to Road.
Sanchez - 2 turns left to Road.
Mark & Otto - 3 turns left to Mine.
Monkee & CalcII - 4 turns left to Clear.
Horse & Squid - 5 turns left to Clear.


Settlers:

None at this time

Turn Real Results: from the actual

Beaker Power = 354 BPT
Cash Power = 374 GPT
At 50% = 185 BPT & +48 GPT
185 (this turn, @50%) + 1011 (previous) = 1196 Beakers towards Astronomy
1344 - 1196 = 148 left after this turn (1 more turn).
GNP = 464
Mfg = 168
Prod = 621
GPT = +48 (+106 CFC)


Ministry of War

MoW thread

Unit Roster



Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Foreign Affairs thread

Last edited by E_T on 24-05-2004 at 20:11

	19-04-2004 22:22									#2
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Urgent Business for This Turn

Economic:

Initial plans and costs
All Plans - what will be the same
Plan #1 - 11 boats
Plan #2 - 12 boats

To be edited by the Consul/MoI


Military:

Added by Arnelos
* All knights are headed toward Mingapulco for now
* NMs ZargonX, Sharpe, Enamel, hungryopd, MerZenary, and MrWIA all headed to Mingapulco for eventual musket upgrades (likely 5 of the 6 will be loaded on caravels for the trip to GWT - one direction or the other)
* Please consult the "600 AD Issues" thread for information about specific galley movement until we have turn-by-turn orders for the galleys up in here. DO NOT PLAY THE SAVE WITHOUT CHECKING THESE PLANS.

Diplomatic:

Added by Arnelos
* We will be needing a total of 300g from CGN (I know that's a lot ) and 900g from CFC (a LOT of money, but actually less than they said they could afford). Could our ambassadors to those countries get on that? (yes, I'll contact the appropriate people in chat since I can't rely on people reading this ).
What boats are for where

Other:

Logicitcal Moments for War Prep Map
Possible CFC Strike and where at
And a Possible Strike at Parth

To be Edited by the Consuls

Link to turn 176 report
Edit link to point to previous turn's report

Last edited by E_T on 12-05-2004 at 09:20

	11-05-2004 10:57									#3
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

*bump*

	16-05-2004 02:42									#4
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Turn should be here by this evening.

	16-05-2004 04:43									#5
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by Arnelos *bump*

It says "supporter" under your nick. Is that with a cup or not?

	16-05-2004 04:59									#6
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Save is here, I should have rest of the orders up before 9PM.

E_T

	16-05-2004 05:00									#7
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by BigFree It says "supporter" under your nick. Is that with a cup or not?

As far as I know, Arnie is sometimes Strapped for cash, so it's likely not a cup, as they cost more....

E_T

	16-05-2004 05:48									#8
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by BigFree It says "supporter" under your nick. Is that with a cup or not?

Oooh, ooh! I can spam, too!

It means I had some money to burn courtesy of the new job.

+1

[/threadjack]

	16-05-2004 08:06									#9
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Oooh, ooh! I can spam, too! It means I had some money to burn courtesy of the new job. +1 [/threadjack]

Arnelos posted a +1

	16-05-2004 08:08									#10
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Arnelos posted a +1

You really have been gone for a while, haven't you?

(some of my +1's are genuine, many are sarcastic... this one was at least mostly sarcastic - let's get back to the turnthread being dedicated to the turn )

	16-05-2004 09:31									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Turn 177 - 610 A.D. Turn Report

Attendance
Active:
Arnelos
E_T
Nuclear Master (left early)
Nuclear Winter (left early)
Master Zen (left early)
Donegeal (arrived late, left early)

Idle:
WIA
Conmcb25
Kloreep


Foreign Affairs

CFC gifted us their WM and 60 gold

Christening

New Knight in Bananatopia named "Sir Aggie"
New Worker in Lux Invicta named "Doc"

Reconnaisance and Barb Hunting Forces

MI Igor (South) moves 4-6 and fortifies.

Assembling Strike Force

NM Sharpe, NM Enamel, and NM hungryopd (at AP-4-7) move 8-8-9; headed for Mingapulco/Incensity
NM ZargonX Reborn (at Chiquita 4-7) moves 6-9-9; headed for Mingapulco/Incensity
NM MerZenary (at Dom-3) moves 8-8-8; headed for Mingapulco/Incensity
Sir E_T (at Chiquita-7) moves 6-9-9-9-9-9; headed for Ming-6
Sir Bingo (at Karina-7-7) moves 9-9-9-6 and forts; forted in Ming-6 Stack
Sir conMcKnight (at Freedom-6) moves 8-8-8-8-8-8; headed for Ming-6
Sir Bambi and Count of BFC (in Eisten Boulen) move 8-8-8-8-8-8; headed for Ming-6
Sir BigKnight (at Dom-3) moves 8-8-8-8-9-9; headed for Ming-6
Sir Ennet (at Karina-2) moves 8-8-9-9-9 and forts; forted in Ming-6 Stack
Sir Trip and Sir Donegeal (at Ming-1) move 9-6 and fort; forted in Ming-6 Stack
Sir Aggie (in Banana) moves 4-7 and forts; forted in Ming-6 Stack
Sir HTower (at Ming-1) moves 9-9-8-8-8-8; headed for boarding AIS Seeker next turn
Sir Togas (at Ming-6) moves 7-8-8-8-8-8; headed for boarding AIS Seeker next turn
AIS Seeker (at Cyr-8-8) moves 2-2 and unloads Sir Vondrack; one movement point left...
Sir Vondrack (in Cyr) moves 2-2-2-2-2-3; unforted in Ming-6 Stack
AIS Seeker (now in Cyr) moves 8; can board Sir Togas and Sir HTower next turn before heading for the possible northern sealane
AIS Hunter (near Mongoose Abyss) moves 6-6-6; heading for HoD
AIS Retribution (in HoD) moves 8 and forts; will remaain outside city until ready for upgrade (to prevent sighting of multiple galleys/caravels on remote possibility of an investigation)
AIS Vengeance (at Inc-3-3-3) moves 7-8 and forts; same logic as with AIS Retribution

Other Naval Forces

AIS Assassin (in PoV) moves 1-2-3; heading around the continent counter-clockwise toward pickett position


Workers

Frodo & Out of Darkness (at Dom-8) move 9-9-9
Doc (in Lux) moves 6-6-6
Grumpy & PG 9 to 12 (at EN-1) move 8-8-9
Bashful (at Lakeview-7-8) moves 6-8-9
Panagoon (at PoV-3) moves 8 and starts mining
Moe (at Karina-1-1) moves 6 and starts mining
Larry & Empress (at Lumen Musae-8) move 1-2
rah (at Area X-2) moves 7
Rush (at Arcadia-9) moves 4 and starts mining
MrWIA, EVC & Dejon (at Solace-1) move 2
Sleepy (at Zen-3) moves 3
Slave Anarchy (at Silk-3) moves 8-7 and starts chopping
PG 1 through 6 (at AP-8-7) move 9-8-8
PG 8 (at EN-1-4) moves 8
BigFurryWorker (at BFC-9) moves 4-7-7
Lan, Gits & Dan (at Mon Ab-2) start mining
Spike & Moosefart (at Del Monte-2) start irrigation (done)

Western Defense Forces

MI BigFurryInfantry (at Equil-1) forts; will presumably remain here until CFC has built their chokepoint city
MI Vlad Antlerkov (at Silk Colony) skips turn

Southern Defense Forces

none

Core Defense Forces

NM Ghengis (at Tripoli-9) forts; waits to cut iron

Economy

Bananatopia starts Knight (will become Horse)
Lux Invicta starts Settler

WF Placements

Bananatopia set to 1-2-4-8-14-16-19
Incensity set to 5-6-7-14-17
Mu set to 17
Hispanica set to 1-2-3-4-12-20
Karina set to 4-6-11-13-17-18
Lux Invicta set to 1-5-11
BigFurryCity set to 5-7-8-18-19-20
Del Monte set to 5-10-11
Vox Publica set to 4
Memoria Firaxia set to 17

Demographics

Approval Rating: 72% (2nd)
Population: 4123000 (3rd)
GNP: 464 million (2nd)
Mfg. Goods: 168 megatons (2nd)
Land Area: 43400 square miles (2nd)
Literacy: 12% (1st)
Disease: 5% (4th)
Pollution: 0 tons (1st)
Life Expectancy: 26 years (4th)
Family Size: 1 children (1st)
Military Service: 5 years (4th)
Annual Income: 7 per capita (1st)
Productivity: 621 (2nd)

Top 5 Cities
1. Parthemuende (GWT) - Pop 12 (Pyramids, Colossus)
2. Aarhus (CGN*) - Pop 12
3. Webringen (GWT*) - Pop 12
4. Floral Park (CGN) - Pop 12 (starving)
5. Shen Ling (CFC*) - Pop 6

Miscellaneous and End Turn

Slider: 50/50/0 (Tax/Research/Lux)
Treasury: 482 Gold
Net Income: +48 GPT
Research: Astronomy (at 185 bpt, "2 turns")
Strong to GCA
Strong to CGN
Strong to CFC
Weak to GWT
No Barbarian Tribes near us

Science Power: 354 bpt
Currency Power: 374 gpt
NOTE: "Science Power" is bpt at 100% Research. "Currency Power" is GPT at 100% Tax minus GPT at 100% Research.

Turn saved and sent at 12:20 a.m. EDT on Sunday, May 16 (0420 GMT on Sunday, May 16) to:

msdg@civfanatics.net
intersitepbem@mongoose201.com

------------------------

IMG A here

IMG B here

Last edited by E_T on 16-05-2004 at 10:47

	16-05-2004 09:49									#12
	Remove this text

Can we get a countdown till our landing/attack on GWT?

	16-05-2004 09:56									#13
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by BigFree Can we get a countdown till our landing/attack on GWT?

Yes. I already put one in the next turnthread. I believe this turn was D-Day minus 14. I believe next turn is D-Day minus 13. Of course, that's based upon E_T guessing when I asked him.

	16-05-2004 19:14									#14
	Tired of ads?

It's 2 turns to Astro, 8 more turns to Navigation (which is D-3 on this timeline of events). So, it's 14 turns to the initial Group A landing, 15 turns to the FP attack AND CFC landing, 16 turns to the CFC Attack AND the Parth Landing, 17 turns to the Parth Attack and finally, 18 turns until we leave.

E_T

	16-05-2004 21:59									#15
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by E_T It's 2 turns to Astro, 8 more turns to Navigation (which is D-3 on this timeline of events). So, it's 14 turns to the initial Group A landing, 15 turns to the FP attack AND CFC landing, 16 turns to the CFC Attack AND the Parth Landing, 17 turns to the Parth Attack and finally, 18 turns until we leave. E_T

So 14 turns to D-Day in 610 AD (this turn), thus 13 turns to D-Day in 620 AD (next turn).

Good, because that's what I put down in the next thread.

	16-05-2004 22:50									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

quote: Originally posted by E_T .....18 turns until we leave. E_T

Who says we are ever going to leave? Who knows how our luck will run over there. We could end up running the board on GWT!

I guess if we got a GL we'd send him back; but I'd rather do as much damage as possible while we are there. There won't be another "surprise" landing.

	16-05-2004 22:53									#17
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

quote: Originally posted by Arnelos So 14 turns to D-Day in 610 AD (this turn), thus 13 turns to D-Day in 620 AD (next turn). Good, because that's what I put down in the next thread.

It looks like turns 179 through 182 were not included in your latest "bumpage." Why is that?

	16-05-2004 23:21									#18
	Get a bigger avatar today!

quote: Originally posted by BigFree It looks like turns 179 through 182 were not included in your latest "bumpage." Why is that?

Well, because they already existed.

	17-05-2004 00:18									#19
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Doesn't it seem odd that we think GWT has no knowledge of our suprise attack? It would seem commense sense if I were the leader/FAM/whatever of GWT.

	17-05-2004 01:15									#20
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Well, because they already existed.

Maybe, but with your "bump" skills at their zenith I thought you'sd want to get the aforementioned turns onto the first page as well.

	17-05-2004 02:01									#21
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

quote: Originally posted by Nuclear Master Doesn't it seem odd that we think GWT has no knowledge of our suprise attack? It would seem commense sense if I were the leader/FAM/whatever of GWT.

Do they even have a FAM?

They're too wrapped up in the war with CGN. They probably don't know how far ahead of them that we truly are.

	17-05-2004 02:58									#22
	Tired of ads?

quote: Originally posted by Trip Do they even have a FAM? They're too wrapped up in the war with CGN. They probably don't know how far ahead of them that we truly are.

That's what I like to hear!

	17-05-2004 05:01									#23
	C3C Victory Status Info for this turn Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

For Conquest
US: 20% land area, 24% Pop (F11 - 4163000 - 3rd)

Top Rivals:
Land area - GWT with 22%
Pop - GWT with 40%


For Culture
US: City of Banantopia - 218; Entire Civ - 1136

Top Rivals:
City - Parthemunde/GWT (with Pyramids) - 1051
Entire Civ - CGN - 3689

E_T

	17-05-2004 11:59									#24
	Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by BigFree Maybe, but with your "bump" skills at their zenith I thought you'sd want to get the aforementioned turns onto the first page as well.

It's rather simple, actually. Allow me to elaborate:

Over my objections, we have been creating zillions of turnthreads long before we will ever use them. Eventually, I just decided to go with the flow on that one (thus the creation of said turnthreads you saw).

Now, as I have raised before, when you form a bunch of turnthreads, important threads tend to get knocked to the second page.

As a result, you bump the important threads back to the top in which you still wish to see discussion taking place.

	18-05-2004 02:43									#25
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I'm too lazy to get the save for myself. Post pics, damnit.

	18-05-2004 08:50									#26
	Suffering from ads?

quote: Originally posted by Arnelos Over my objections, we have been creating zillions of turnthreads long before we will ever use them.

Don't you have the powerZ? Couldn't you "delete" said offending threads so that maybe there's just a thousand of them instead of zillions?

	18-05-2004 22:02									#27
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: Originally posted by BigFree Don't you have the powerZ? Couldn't you "delete" said offending threads so that maybe there's just a thousand of them instead of zillions?

If you would like to peruse the history of this issue, the forum is littered with the threads in which it was discussed. If it were anyone other than you, I might bother fiding the links for you, but I think you're more than capable of doing that on your own.

	19-05-2004 05:00									#28
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I'm well aware of the history. I just thought you'd take some action, since you have the ability, to clear things up a bit since you were so adamant about keeping the forum pretty neat; which, btw, I agree with.