15-08-2004 07:26									#151
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I checkecd and Monkey Island is connected by coastal tiles - at the diagonal. Some I am pretty sure that counts.

I am tempted to hang in there for horsemen - then again - what we need are mercs and catapults.

Also - PC needs 6 turns and 60 shields to finish a market place - which based on current output - will add 5 or 6 gold per turn. I have sacrificed 10 shields to pump out a settler next turn. Gorilla also produces a settler next turn, and Macaque in 2.

I left Gibbon at catapult. It is s slow growth city - and we should be building settlers in our cities with the granaries.

Chimpanzee back to num merc.

Moved some units around to ensure we can cover all the landing tiles. CoD is leaving ther galleys handing around - which may mean they are getting ready for something.

We are at 134 gold and plus 4 gpt.

We are weak to Python and average to CoD. Quite the arms race.

	15-08-2004 16:03									#152
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Ouch, wasted sheilds hurt

I dunno, we aint tossed off the continent yet, that Marketplace would have been nice.

It would have supported 5 or 6 more units per turn in Republic.

Thats Ok though, we can ICS out first.

Like H_E said if we can fit any "camps" within the core we ought to do it.

	15-08-2004 19:46									#153
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Yes - it did hurt. But it was also 60 more shields to completion. That is either two settlers or 3 mercs. Versus the 5 extra gold per turn. We can cover that with one town - which allows 4 units to be supported. That was the thinking.

I am hesitant to put a camp down in within the core. That will relegate the xisting ring cities to 3rd place status - and increase corruption. We have lots of land outside the ring to the south, and yes, to the north. I suggest we use it. I agree it ain't prime land, but the intent is simply to get the cities built to support the units.

Keep in mind that RCP (or whatever it is called) corruption rules are operating in PTW. That was why we laid down our core ring cities as we did.

	15-08-2004 19:48									#154
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Yep - Avoid any cities inside the core if we can.

	15-08-2004 19:58									#155
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Yep, I forgot about RCP, Im playing Conquests too much

Ok camps outside the ring and ICS like H_E said.

Ill go along on the Market.

We do need Republic sooner or later though.

	16-08-2004 08:18									#156
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Actually - I think we would die under republic right now. Our economy is not strong enough to support the massive army we have. Monarchy might work. But for now - so does despotism. I also wouldn't want to take the 4 or 6 turns of anarchy.

	18-08-2004 20:23									#157
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As usual my milestones are reserved for my fellow Monkeys.

6000th post.

Beta Im catching up

On a more serious note when do you think the SoD will show up?

Are we pretty much resigned to the fact that our time on this continent is coming to an end?

If so we need to think about an evac to the other continent.

What, where, how, and when.

	19-08-2004 15:34									#158
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I would :

Use some cats and bomb that galley HMS Frumpy.

To avoid a stack landing by galley, I suggest we move two units I have marked with a pink dot.
Capuchin does not need a unit in it.

I have marked in red, where we need some roads

To utilise site E, we definately need that road in the south.
The roads to the east are not as important... it will allow us to move catapults to bomb coast tiles in case units land.

The road to the North West is needed for commerce and so the unit on that tile can move.

For our cities.
I would recommend .... D & A
B can be a little tricky because it does not have a retreat road if it gets overrun.
E needs a road.
C is fine, but uses up a grass tile.

We have two settlers
And another produced next turn.
I would suggest B or C for next turns site.

If we decide on D & A
Move plenty of mercs with the settler to site A.
If there are horses in the fog, they can attack him.

I would also move some mercs (2 maybe) onto the hill on Site D
That will ensure CoD doesnt move some spearmen on top of it and make our life difficult.

I'd switch capuchin to worker
And marmoset to worker (we need more workers)
We need more settlers as well.

	19-08-2004 15:37									#159
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Con,

I dont think we will get on the other continent.
I am not sure if gifting cities is allowed in the rules.
And I doubt a galley could make it.

I suggest LL or MAST would be our best option.
But I doubt it.

The longbow stacks will be appearing soon I think.
Dont know when or where.

	19-08-2004 16:13									#160
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So whats the plan then?, Hole up on monkey island till we can get across the ocean? Thats what astro or navigation right?

	20-08-2004 04:07									#161
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We cant just pop up on the other continent and expect to live.
All 4 nations over there will have their territories staked, and if we just drop a settler over there, they will attack it.
(It happened in PTWDG#1 - GoW, ND & RP threatened to kill Vox for landing uninvited.)

I truely do not know what our long term plans can be.
For now, I just want to make it as bloody as possible for CoD & Python.

Perhaps our only chance, is to be adopted by another team, and recolonised in anothers territory when war breaks out on the other continent. (ala GCA.)

LL is the only team who has shown friendly interest in us.
Certainly Sunshine is refusing to gift us invention so that we can defend against our enemies.

	21-08-2004 08:33									#162
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Got the email from Beta,

Game has sent as per my above moves.
Settlers are going to A & D

	27-08-2004 06:50									#163
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MZ was *****ing about not getting the save:

quote: btw, it seems some members of Team Monkey do not have my e-mail addy. it is civ AT mzocentral DOT net. maybe now people's saves besides Beta's will make it to my inbox (btw, Beta, it's CIV not RAGUIL )

	05-09-2004 16:41									#164
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The turn is here

	05-09-2004 17:20									#165
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I took a quick look.

No SoD's.

A barb horse and a barb warrior to our SE, about two tiles from that SE most city.

And no sign of CoD to our south, did they evac those horses?????

Macague poped a settler.

And it looks like we can get a settler in place to our due south to build a city on the hills.

Which we of course need to do because we are at -10gpt, with NO research right now.

Good luck, and if you guys cant play, I can get the turn off today if need be.

	05-09-2004 19:13									#166
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I should be able to play it today con.

	05-09-2004 19:27									#167
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con, H_E, regarding the settler. We have two choices - north or south. G or A on H_E's prevoius map. We also have a settler out of PC in three.

If we are going to build G with one of these two settlers, it makes sense to do it now. Get some walls in there by adding and rushing a worker. And as H_E mentioned earlier - it will be the front-line city.

OR

We leave the north as it is - and expand across the tundra to the south. This has the advantage of clearing out the barb threat, taking away CoD's horse refuge, and possibly freeing up troops for the north.

I am leaning that way. ie South.

	05-09-2004 19:42									#168
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OOOPs- and just noticed that there is another settler in our stack to the north - so I guess we can head him south - or go ahead with the G city plan.

I will sit on the save for awhile until we decide.

Also - a look at the south shows we can settle it nicely with 7 or so cities. None of them will be gang-busters, but they will support units, and they will produce gold.

	05-09-2004 19:49									#169
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And another settler down south. Guess I should have looked at the save a bit more before I started yammering away. We have lots of options. And I think we should build a city in the north - but right where the settler is now, for defensive and security purposes.

	05-09-2004 20:03									#170
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Sounds good one in the north and then head south.

I realize we plan on ICSing the south but as Beta said none of those "Snow Monkey" cities are going to be big producers by a long shot.

And as we move south we suck more and more NM's from the front.

What is the freebe unit support on towns? four per town? If so it will help incrementally but its never going to be a big boost.

If we are going to stay here for a while we may want to consider another Market like I advocated earlier. That way we get 50% more commerce out of what we have in one of our cities, and we have to expend sheilds on something or convert them to gold.

Just something to think about as we run out of space to ICS.

	05-09-2004 20:14									#171
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AWOOOOOGA! AWOOOOOGA!

SoD Alert! SoD Alert!

I built the city of Malaca right where the northern settler was. 9-8 of that new city (or 8-8-7 from Orangutan), is s stack of some 13 long-bows, 11 horse, 5 catapults, and a sword. Very weird stack. And clearly just one of their offensive options.

I have moved a worker into the city so we can rush walls next turn. Also - I am making sure catapults and archers are with in range of the city. Also - I renaming the city - Simian Deep.

Ok - turn done. We are almost at breakeven. I expect war will hit soon. I have taken a screenshot of where we stand now.

We have two settlers yet to build. One will build next turn on the southern hill. The other is headed south from Macaque. I have switched all other production over to military units. We will need them soon. And generating positive cash flow at this point is not going to do us much good. We need feudalism, and invention, and cash - and we need them gifted.

Thoughts? Discussion? H_E - please do not leave us yet for NeverWinterNights land. We need you, buddy.

	05-09-2004 20:29									#172
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Looking forward er anxious to see the screenies.

Well we knew it was coming sooner or later.

You know The Lumberjacks blind urge to continue this war for CoD's benefit continues to truely amaze me

OCT_X certainly isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

	05-09-2004 20:31									#173
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H_E hasn't logged in since last tuesday, he must be pretty busy.

BUT he is not one to leave a good fight, he will be back

	05-09-2004 20:46									#174
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quote: Originally posted by conmcb25 You know The Lumberjacks blind urge to continue this war for CoD's benefit continues to truely amaze me OCT_X certainly isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

How true on the first, and thank goodness on the latter.

Sort of reminds me of warring against lmtoops in misfits. H_E will know what I am talking about.

	05-09-2004 20:47									#175
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Is it just me, or is Poly REALLY slow this morning.

	05-09-2004 20:49									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Beta Is it just me, or is Poly REALLY slow this morning.

Its not really slow, but its been better.

With that SoD showing up I hope H_E shows up soon.

	05-09-2004 20:49									#177
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	05-09-2004 22:11									#178
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We need to make sure we pop a few wrkers as a city approaches the unhappy limit.

We may need em to pop rush units and improvements.

Will the worker make it to Simian Deep in time next turn to pop the walls???

	05-09-2004 22:12									#179
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I think I answered my question

	05-09-2004 22:22									#180
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Yup - the worker is there and all set to go. Simply add him to the city and rush walls. 20 instant shields.

What surprises me about the CoD stack is the lack of spears. Or any more swords. I wonder if someone traded them iron and all the spears and swords are back up north upgrading. That is my major concern.

A large stack of our own horse would be sweet right now. Think of the damage we could do on a stack almost entirely comprised of 1 defense point units.