16-05-2004 22:10									#1
	Turn 190, 740 AD - ***D-Day*** Got spare money?

Status

- Republic
- Researching Sometech (x beakers stored, need x beakers total, x turns left)
- Treasury x gold (end of last turn), approx +x (+x) gpt, = approx x gold (at begining of turn).
- Running at x/x/0 Sci/Tax/Lux

- Anticipated start of GA - Turn 223 (910 AD)


Ministry of the Interior

NOT READY YET

Economy:

To be edited by MoI

Rushing

See Short, Throughput & Regular Rushing Turn by Turn Approval Thread for general rushing requests
and see Turn 171, 550AD post in that thread for this turn's specific requests and approvals.
Edit the post link when coping and pasting.

To be edited by MoI

Worker Force:

To be edited by MoI

Workers:

To be edited by MoI

Settlers:

To be edited by MoI

Preturn SIM Results: actual save should be the same

Beaker Power = x BPT
Cash Power = x GPT
At 50% = x BPT & x GPT
x (this turn, @50%) + x (previous) = x beakers towards Sometech
x - x = x left after this turn (x more turns).
GNP = x
Mfg = x
Prod = x
GPT = +x (+x CFC)



Ministry of War

MoW Thread

Strike Fleet
Group A:
VERY IMPORTANT to do this one move before any of the others.
AIS Ambitious - Strike Scout Go/NoGo mission - move 6-6 to scout to see if LZ is free to land units. If it is, then move 6, Unload Units and Proceed with all Group A for the landing.

AIS Valor, AIS Seeker, AIS Vengeance, AIS Solidarity, AIS Hunter, AIS Heroic, AIS Deliverance, AIS Ambitious & AIS Retribution - if strilke landing is a go move 6-6-6 & Unload units.

Group B:
if strilke landing is a go, move into Group B ready location
AIS Zealous - move 8-8-9.
AIS Determination - move 9-9-8.
AIS Righteous - move 6-6-8.


Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Foreign Affairs thread

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	16-05-2004 22:10									#2
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Urgent Business for This Turn

Economic:

To be edited by the Consul/MoI


Military:

to be edited by the Consuls


Diplomatic:

To be edited by Consuls/FAM


Other:

To be Edited by the Consuls

Link to turn 161 report
Edit link to point to previous turn's report

	22-07-2004 03:23									#3
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	22-07-2004 07:01									#4
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Let us all pray we don't get seen.

With that out of the way...

	24-07-2004 21:43									#5
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Assuming there are no GWT galleys in our sight to worry about, we can move a ship forward to see if the LZ is clear as soon as we get the save. (Currently it needs to pass through GWT and then CGN.) I suggest we use a ship full of knights, giving the ships with the muskets and settler maximum flexibility in case the LZ is blocked.

	24-07-2004 23:17									#6
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CGN has the save; we should have it in a matter of minutes...

	24-07-2004 23:29									#7
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Save is in.

We've been spotted.

	24-07-2004 23:33									#8
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	24-07-2004 23:40									#9
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Sail around and try to get off board somewhere if the coast is blocked.

Aidun

	24-07-2004 23:42									#10
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I'm willing to bet every tile in that area is blocked. :-/

	24-07-2004 23:43									#11
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They know we're there. They'll have forted galleys on watch and all coast tiles they can reach block.

I see two options:

1) Go home
2) Go out to sea and down south and join CFC in trashing GCA's land.

	24-07-2004 23:59									#12
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I see 3rd and 4th options

Go towards Flamburg and there will be ~25 different LZ's they would have to cover. Which, they can do, but then it ties up those units freeing CFC to do some more damage.

Go North to draw GWT units further North away from CFC.

	25-07-2004 00:08									#13
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If our caravel moves one tile East, we'll see the 2 other coast tiles around their horsemen. Then the caravel could be fortified. If the tiles are occupied, we can move two other caravels, the one towards Nord, the second towards south.

Probably, we have an advantage : we know how many caravels we have, they not.

	25-07-2004 00:11									#14
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Eh, the Flamburg option doesn't seem that enticing to me. We have to come up that narrow channel, and they could throw galleys at us, as well as cover all the possible landing spots with Ansar, long before we get there. :-/

	25-07-2004 00:12									#15
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quote: Originally posted by astrologix If our caravel moves one tile East, we'll see the 2 other coast tiles around their horsemen. Then the caravel could be fortified. If the tiles are occupied, we can move two other caravels, the one towards Nord, the second towards south. Probably, we have an advantage : we know how many caravels we have, they not.

True, that could confirm whether this is just a "lucky horseman" or not.

	25-07-2004 00:15									#16
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We could look for other open LZs if the team wants.

However, we can't reach any other tiles this turn, and they'll definitely have them covered the next with our caravels in plain sight of their borders.

	25-07-2004 00:18									#17
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any bets they have a shitload of Ansar around??? :S

	25-07-2004 00:33									#18
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I Think Astrologix's option is not so bad. We can also go sailing around and see if we can get something else. Remember that splitting up forces at sea will force them, now that they know we're there to spread their forces too.

If we manage to attack at multiple beaches now, we can do a real D-Day strategy (I hope MZ doesn't correct me on this one) : we disembark on many different landing zones and try, while fighting to break through their defences (not nessecarily by attacking cities) to the central town, Rurhpott (or Caen in WW II, right MZ?)

Aidun

	25-07-2004 00:37									#19
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No. We then split our landing force which will be subjected to the whim of dozens of Ansar. We cannot afford to split our landing into multiple zones, especially now that the element of surprise is gone.

	25-07-2004 01:18									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Aidun I Think Astrologix's option is not so bad. We can also go sailing around and see if we can get something else. Remember that splitting up forces at sea will force them, now that they know we're there to spread their forces too. If we manage to attack at multiple beaches now, we can do a real D-Day strategy (I hope MZ doesn't correct me on this one) : we disembark on many different landing zones and try, while fighting to break through their defences (not nessecarily by attacking cities) to the central town, Rurhpott (or Caen in WW II, right MZ?) Aidun

We can't land anywhere this turn, and by next turn, they'll have a bleepload of Ansar up there, if they don't already. I'm confident they'll have the coast covered.

Also, landing piecemeal allows them to concentrate on a single knight stack at a time, taking out as many units as they can with their Ansar and only having to fight through a few muskets to get at the less strong - if they have to fight through any muskets at all.

	25-07-2004 02:15									#21
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We need to decide whether to move the caravel in further. Please voice your opinions.

If we do that, we'll put it square in the sight of GWT galleys. However, IMO that won't be a problem so long as we move a few more caravels to stack with it; they won't want to attack a caravel stack unless they have a lot more galleys than we have caravels, and I doubt they have more than 3 or at most 4 in the area.

	25-07-2004 02:30									#22
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Move further in. We need information, not paranoid speculation.

--Togas

	25-07-2004 02:46									#23
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pull out. play as those 2-3 caravels are scouts. (yeah right) don't let them know they've won anything.

	25-07-2004 02:51									#24
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I believe we're operating under the assumption they saw a stack of 9 caravels. The current scout we sent in originated from that stack. So if they saw it, they know a massive invasion was being planned.

	25-07-2004 03:04									#25
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well, strike that then.

egg on our face.

game set match?

	25-07-2004 03:06									#26
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Look at the positions of their gallies.
Look at the scattered position of our caravels.

They couldn't have possibly seen our "stack of 9 caravels". If they saw a few of our ships, consider the start and end position of their 3 move gallies ... do we see any that are in an end position that would have sighted our ships?

No.

Consider this possibility: The top galley is a picket that moves in and out each turn. The southern galley is on his way south to deal with CGN's annoying galley terrorists. The horseman is going to load/unload in a galley, or possibly be there to deal with any suspicious CGN landings.

Can we stop coming to the worst possible conclusions and then acting on them before we know the facts? Please, people! Why the hell are we so risk-averse? Why does everyone seem to jump to the worst conclusion or fear risking a conflict without guranteed 100% victory?

This is war. You cannot fight scared. You cannot win by running away from every possible defeat.

At this point in time, we DO NOT KNOW if they know what we're doing, and assuming that they know exactly what we're doing is absoulte idiocy. GWT are not superhuman. They are not civgods. They cannot read our minds nor can they see how many ships we have or where all of our ships are. They are operating in the dark, dealing with rogue CGN units, trying to protect GCA and trying to continue to manage and protect a VERY large empire.

Move in closer. If our landing zone is blocked we must change tactics. If it isn't, let's land now and overwhelm them with 30 knights, quickly overpower them and get out before they can counter.

--Togas

	25-07-2004 03:12									#27
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If their galley was forted at 4 of the LZ as of last turn, the saw our stack of caravels and could have easily moved their galley back.

A galley forted at 4-7 of Elf would have been awoken since we moved units through it's field of view.

A galley forted at 1-1 of Elf would have spotted out units 2 full turns ago.

There were simply quite a number of areas they could have easily seen us.

	25-07-2004 03:21									#28
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but we do not see their gallies in any of those spots, nor do we have any direct evidence that they were there, just continued pessimistic speculation.

JUST MOVE IN AND FIND OUT FOR SURE.

Enough of "assuming the worst." Find out. If we see a blocked coastline, then we KNOW, and can plan accordingly. If we don't see it blocked, let's move in before they have time to summon Ansars to fend us off.

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	25-07-2004 03:23									#29
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quote: JUST MOVE IN AND FIND OUT FOR SURE.

YES !!!! MOVE FURTHER NOW !!!!

	25-07-2004 03:24									#30
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If we move futher in, we won;t be able to Fortify, as we will have used up our 3 moves for this turn.

Now, I was thinking, at some people in chat like this, was to have the main force, Move back and head south. At the same time, we have one Caravel, move northeast, along their Coast, close enough to watch the land, so as to pin down some of their Units and keep them from moving south (as far as they will know, we will have our units still within range to strike, if we find an opening).

This would require us to be within their Cultural Borders. As we know how GWT respects our own Cultural boarders we will likely hear of massive protests from GWT. We just tell them to s*ck it up OR make us move.

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