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Minnesota, USA
Dec 2001
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Originally posted by Wiglaf
Oh come on. Is it really that important to know the date of first contact with klingons? Or ferengi? Or where minor races go? And I'd hate to break it to you, but re-using the same actor is not a plot hole (not that that has anything to do with enterprise). You know, Lenin had a problem with dates. |
Ummm... because one of the main plot hooks in TOS was the war with the Klingons!? Just glad they haven't run into Romulans in Enterprise... that'd really kill their reliability since in the TOS it surprised the heck out of Spock to see them...
And reusing an actor is a plot hole... I mean, come on! I was watching TNG the other day and Tom Paris is at the academy with Wesley... then Voyager comes on... oh that must have been what happened to him when he was kicked out... wait... he had a different name. And what happened to Tuvok's ears!?  He was human in Generations!
That's a plot hole.
So if we change the time and circumstances of Earth's first contact nothing changes either? 
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I guess for you Star Trek has to read like a book, and every date must be internally verified all the time. For me that's COMPLETELY missing the point of the show. Really, make up a date when they met the ferengi. It doesn't matter anyway!! It's completely useless information and it has nothing to do with Star Trek's themes or even 99.99% of its plots. Give me a break. |
Not a book, just something where you can go, "oh remember when X happened?" "Yeah, and it impacted Y."
Instead, mostly thanks to Enterprise you have "Remeber when X happened?" "Yeah, but Enterprise changed that..."
It doesn't have to track like a book, but when characters, as they should, recall their lives (like with Picard and the Borg, for instance) it should be accurate, and was. Then Enterprise comes along, basically in the mirror universe (Federation being a whole lot more war-like... or at least Archer is...)
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As far as this mirror universe crap, I don't know what to say. People see what they want. TOS looks a LOT different from TNG, in color hues, sets, and everything. The voyager sets are recycled TNG ones. Complain all you want. It's missing the point, and more to the point ,you are inconsistent in that you only pick on enterprise. Whatever. |
Uh... of course TOS is different from TNG, not only are they filmed in different eras but they take place in different eras in the Star Trek universe. Then you have Enterprise waltz in looking better than either TOS or TNG yet it somehow happened before? 
It's just like the problem of Star Wars Episodes I-III looking improved over IV-VI... though Lucas slightly fixes that problem by going back and 'restoring' them.
 "Whatever"
Sorry, my blonde sister-in-law uses that all the time when she has no valid logic behind her arguements... So is that you giving up, or can we still discuss this? Don't take the fact that I think Enterprise as a Star Trek show is lousy personally. It's still a good show, it just doesn't fit in with the rest of the series and should never have been branded 'Star Trek'. Of course, then you wouldn't have people buying into it as much because it wouldn't have been able to tap into the Star Trek following.
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FlameFlash
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Minnesota, USA
Dec 2001
time: 23:36
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Originally posted by DRoseDARs
Of Tom Paris'es:
What, different and unrelated people can't resemble one another? Well, there goes the celebrity impersonators industry... 
Of Tuvok:
Vulcans live a looong time. I doubt Tuvok was meant to be that old. Actually, I believe one VOY episode revealed his age (not the same episode that Janeway suprised him with a cupcake), and it wasn't nearly old enough to place him anywhere near TMP-era vessels. Read "Of Tom Paris'es" |
A valid point. Personally I like the fact that they're giving them extra chances to act and actually have decent roles but it was a consistency issue I felt needed mention.
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Of Dyson-spheres:
Obviously, they are a plot-recycle, but shouldn't be mistaken for the "real thing." The Delphic expanse spheres were destroyed, every last one of them we assume, in the season finale of ENT. As for the races, they're probably just minor members of the Federation. One theory: The Xindi don't join the Federation until after TNG/DS9/Voy. If you tried to exterminate Humanity, would Earth be over it in less than 300 years? Until then, the Xindi are busy coming to terms with the Builders being not the benevolent aliens who saved their divided world but a bunch of self-serving fuktards who would have eventually wiped them and all other native life from the galaxy. |
Good. Didn't watch the last episode so I didn't know. Also good reasoning on them not being around later. 
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Wiglaf
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Cambridge
Dec 2000
time: 23:36
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Flameflasher, you have capitulated on all your timeline, acting, etc complaints, all that remains is the way the show looks modern. Well, if that's your only complaint, I suppose you buy Martha Stewart's cookbooks because of the babe on the cover and not because you want to do some cooking.
For those of us who want to do some cooking, and who don't moan about timeline inconsistences that don't really exist, we can relax and watch a decent sci-fi show that both allows us to cook (o.k. story) and check out the babe on cover (sets effects and blalock need I say more).
Edit: also amusing is that you seem to eat up all these other show's crap about breeding and species and so forth, but you can't swallow a modern set 
Enterprise
People who don't like enterprise because of drab rumors of non existant , non important, timeline inconsistencies 
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29-05-2004 17:35
Rather watch Baywatch then. It has effects too (you think that Blalock and effects are the only thing needed for a good sci-fi -wrong). 
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