29-05-2004 23:53									#241
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this is also a better ship... also on a better show...

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	29-05-2004 23:53									#242
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quote: Originally posted by joncha It would be cooler if Reagan was more... subliminal. You could also add a "Vote GOP" slide in there, too.

Size constraints limited me.

	29-05-2004 23:54									#243
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quote: Originally posted by Verto All your racoon are belong to The Reagan.

It's spelled raccoon -- not racoon.


But at least now you won the award for ugliest avatar.

	30-05-2004 00:00									#244
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Every now and then I think it's nice to give you a bone to chew.

	30-05-2004 00:18									#245
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Stargate SG-1 is a fantastic show, better than either of the other "Star" franchises. It's an example of how to correctly run a sci-fi franchise.

By the way, the Go'auld are incompetant idiots. It's even said so on the show, especially with regards to the small arms;

quote: Origionally said by Colonel O'Neill This is a weapon of Terror! It is meant to Intimidate! *puts down staff weapon, holds up P90* This is a weapon of War! It is meant to Kill!

	30-05-2004 00:24									#246
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I enjoyed the movie, but the series really bites.

The only redeeming factor is Pierre Bernard's bit on Conan O'Brien.

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	30-05-2004 00:28									#247
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The series is great, better than the movie.

	30-05-2004 00:28									#248
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Stargate is a "star" franchize. I can`t disapprove your claims about series since I haven`t watched it but movie really sucked.

	30-05-2004 00:29									#249
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich Yes they can

Holy ****, someone has waaaaay too much time on his hands. This stuff is insane.

But in spite of the supreme geekiness displayed by that site, there are some cool pics:

	30-05-2004 00:36									#250
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For me, B5 had superior plot lines, and far far more consistency, if only becuase it was always one sotry laid out form the start while Trek shows are episodic, and any long storylines in general eventually fall apart. DS9 was actually better able to fight this becuase it is centered in one place and not about a ship roaming out there in the universe.

B5 in general was closer to scientific reality than the other two- not perfetc, but certainly closer. SW does not even try, since it is scif fi only in the whole "set in space" part, but otherwise is fantasy really.

At a minimum, B5 has more believeable soldiers who actually exist in a chain of command.

	30-05-2004 00:39									#251
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quote: Originally posted by obstructor Stargate is a "star" franchize. I can`t disapprove your claims about series since I haven`t watched it but movie really sucked.

quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Stargate SG-1 is a fantastic show, better than either of the other "Star" franchises. It's an example of how to correctly run a sci-fi franchise

	30-05-2004 00:48									#252
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What is it to hmmm for. I just teased you about the star part. I haven`t watched the series so I didn`t comment it (only the movie ).

	30-05-2004 00:49									#253
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Here's how I rank the sci-fi tv shows:

brilliant
1. Farscape
2. Babylon 5

solid entertainment
3. Star Trek: The Next Generation
4. Star Trek (original series)
5. Red Dwarf
6. Star Trek Enterprise

has it's moments
7. Dr. Who
8. Battlestar Galactica
9. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine

consistently painful
10. Andromeda
11. Star Trek: Voyager

worse than Walker: Texas Ranger
12. Stargate: SG-1

Note that this doesn't include shows that didn't last more than one season (including mini-series), animated series or shows that I haven't watched more than 2 or 3 complete episodes of.

edited to clarify rankings

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	30-05-2004 00:52									#254
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Here's how I rank the sci-fi tv shows: 1. Farscape 2. Babylon 5 3. Star Trek: The Next Generation 4. Star Trek (original series) 5. Red Dwarf 6. Star Trek Enterprise 7. Dr. Who 8. Battlestar Galactica 9. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine 10. Andromeda 11. Star Trek: Voyager 12. Stargate: SG-1 Note that this doesn't include shows that didn't last more than one season (including mini-series), animated series or shows that I haven't watched more than 2 or 3 complete episodes of.

Your list isn't bad, but I'd just drop everything after Farscape.

	30-05-2004 00:55									#255
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You rank SG1 below Voyager, Enterprise, Andromeda, and TNG? What the Hell is your Problem??

Oh wait...right...communist.

	30-05-2004 00:56									#256
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As I said, SG1 blows chunks. Worst. Show. Ever.

	30-05-2004 01:02									#257
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quote: Originally posted by joncha As I said, SG1 blows chunks. Worst. Show. Ever.

You're insane. You'd rather watch the "reset button" tripe that was Voyager than SG1?

Or maybe the "Let's keep humanity humble, and communist" **** that was TNG.

SG1 has better writing, acting, plotline, and I would go so far as to say it has better sets than any of the ST shows, excepting Enterprise. And that's the only thing going for ENT.

	30-05-2004 01:07									#258
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If forced to choose between Voyager and SG1... Voyager.

If forced to choose between SG1 and Family Matters... SG1.

	30-05-2004 01:09									#259
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Hey, Family Matters was a good show.

Oh that Erkel....

	30-05-2004 01:11									#260
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If Erkel was in SG1 it might be worth watching.

	30-05-2004 01:18									#261
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And it's Urkel, Dummies!

	30-05-2004 01:47									#262
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quote: about enterprise....all those problems you are talking about...you are almost all wrong...because NX-01 was a earth ship all the other series the FEDERATION was founded....so all those first contact wronges and so...are actually right

this sentence is about as coherent as one of charles bhoff's, and the argument, if i understand it correctly, is about as cogent as well.

though it is true that it's before the federation was founded, that doesn't change the basic facts of the timeline. first contact with the ferengi is the first contact humans and the federation are purported to have with them, yada yada yada.

	30-05-2004 03:05									#263
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the information could have been lost. It could also have changed due too the timeline tampering that's going on in all the trek series including enterprise. For the most part as long as the specific series does not contradict itself you should be okay. Otherwise the writers who would have to sift through each episode of each show to make sure all the references and etc were correct. Pretty soon they would'nt have enough time to write. Give it a break.
Most of the best sci-fi shows get cancelled anyway.
Space Above and Beyond.

	30-05-2004 03:13									#264
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer this is also a better ship... also on a better show...

......aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!

	30-05-2004 03:19									#265
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quote: Originally posted by Pax the information could have been lost. It could also have changed due too the timeline tampering that's going on in all the trek series including enterprise. For the most part as long as the specific series does not contradict itself you should be okay. Otherwise the writers who would have to sift through each episode of each show to make sure all the references and etc were correct. Pretty soon they would'nt have enough time to write. Give it a break. Most of the best sci-fi shows get cancelled anyway. Space Above and Beyond.

absolutely right

Not that trek is even about timelines anyway. I thought it was about adventure, morals, and some action, and hell some jolene blalock (uhura set that precedent wink wink nudge nudge). You know, if these timeline things affected the morals and themes (and they might in a show like B5) then I'd get it.

in ST they are just trivia and as such irrelevant. besides ST is extremely geeky. don't make it geekier by being bookish about it, studs

	30-05-2004 03:38									#266
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quote: B5 in general was closer to scientific reality than the other two- not perfetc, but certainly closer. SW does not even try, since it is scif fi only in the whole "set in space" part, but otherwise is fantasy really.

SW just has much more advanced civlization - it's supposed to be tens, if not hundreds of thousands of years in the future.

	30-05-2004 03:38									#267
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firefly was alright

JM

	30-05-2004 03:40									#268
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quote: Originally posted by joncha Here's how I rank the sci-fi tv shows: brilliant 1. Farscape 2. Babylon 5 solid entertainment 3. Star Trek: The Next Generation 4. Star Trek (original series) 5. Red Dwarf 6. Star Trek Enterprise has it's moments 7. Dr. Who 8. Battlestar Galactica 9. Star Trek: Deep Space Nine consistently painful 10. Andromeda 11. Star Trek: Voyager worse than Walker: Texas Ranger 12. Stargate: SG-1 Note that this doesn't include shows that didn't last more than one season (including mini-series), animated series or shows that I haven't watched more than 2 or 3 complete episodes of. edited to clarify rankings

How could you not put Andromeda on the very bottom of your list? That has to be the worst SF ever.

	30-05-2004 03:55									#269
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich quote: B5 in general was closer to scientific reality than the other two- not perfetc, but certainly closer. SW does not even try, since it is scif fi only in the whole "set in space" part, but otherwise is fantasy really. SW just has much more advanced civlization - it's supposed to be tens, if not hundreds of thousands of years in the future.

Actually wouldn't it be in the past?

"A Long Time ago in a galaxy far, far away."

	30-05-2004 04:09									#270
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich How could you not put Andromeda on the very bottom of your list? That has to be the worst SF ever.

I guess I just prefer Hercules, Warrior Princess to MacGyver.