29-05-2004 21:46									#211
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In one of the Star Trek rpgs (from sometime after WoK) they explained it like this:

The Klingons in TOS were "human fusion" Klingons, who had their dna altered to "better understand" their enemy. The Christopher Lloyd Klingons (and after) are "Imperial Klingons" and thus never had any alterations. Similarly there are Romulan-fusions Klingons, etc. Eventually the Imperials were worried that the "fusions" had gained too much power, and so reasserted their control... through genocide, by my guess.

This would be why Worf was uneasy about explaining it, and why the "pre-contact" Klingons in Enterprise don't look like TOS Klingons.

Then again, it's just a game's hack at trying to explain one of Trek's many, many inconsistencies.

	29-05-2004 21:51									#212
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Yes, but there is a problem with that explantion (surprise). Klingon general from TOS days reappears in DS9 - and surprise - he has ridged forehead. Simialr thing is with Kahless - in TOS he ahs no ridged-forehead, but in TNG he has.

Star Trek indeed has many inconsistencies.

	29-05-2004 21:59									#213
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Well it wouldn't be too much of a stretch to consider it to be a temporary thing. I retconned this is my own head a long time ago to something similar, that they just thought it too shameful to allow a human to view their real faces, so they did something about it, and then over time humans slowly gained their respect until they allowed their faces to be seen. Yeah, that's the ticket.

	29-05-2004 22:05									#214
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Those are engines you dumbarse.

They're engines on wings. Like on most airplanes.

It's a stupid design.

	29-05-2004 22:23									#215
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Anyone have a pic of the ridgeless Klingons?

	29-05-2004 22:27									#216
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I doubt you'd have to put much effort in to find a picture yourself

	29-05-2004 22:33									#217
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Do a google image search at your own risk, though.

	29-05-2004 23:00									#218
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i just read what i typed...damn i really need to learn how to typ proper english....but atleast you get my idea...and about the klingons...the time the first series came out was like in stone-age you know before the internet and stuff...so that doesnt really count...and well everybody that is talking this and that about other series...just think of this...it all began with STAR TREK...so deal with the fact that B5 and farscape are just knock offs

	29-05-2004 23:03									#219
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Star Wars PWNs Star Trek.

	29-05-2004 23:07									#220
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich Star Wars PWNs Star Trek.

While Star Wars has it's good points, and is a great series, it simply cannot compete with Star Trek's original cast.

All your Death Star are belong to us.


More seriously however, it is impossible to compare the two. They are different kinds of shows. Apples and oranges.

	29-05-2004 23:09									#221
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dude`s star wars and star trek cant be compared...they are well just like an apple and a different kind of fruit...the difference is to big...and i am a trekkie and a darth vader fan so i cant choose...

	29-05-2004 23:10									#222
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Fair enough... but which one sucked worse, Voyager or Episode 1?

	29-05-2004 23:12									#223
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episode 1 big time...but episode 2 is even worse...DUDE that GUY that plays skywalker cant act...damn my demented granma can play that part better then him....and JAR JAR SUCKS......cant wait for episode 3 btw!

	29-05-2004 23:13									#224
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Episode I, no doubt. A shame too. It had such great potential.

	29-05-2004 23:14									#225
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All this talk about Star Trek is making me want to dig up my ol' TOS avatar.

Perhaps I can make one that alternated between The Reagan and The Star Trek.

	29-05-2004 23:14									#226
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Episode 1. Lucas ruined everything. Couldn`t he pay someone else to do it ?

	29-05-2004 23:14									#227
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ok btw what does everone have against DS9? voyager i get...i liked it too btw but i get that people dont like it...but what the f*ck is wrong with DS9 as a whole series it is great...except the ending...

	29-05-2004 23:17									#228
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I never watched DS9 regularly, and stopped watching it after the first few seasons, but it didn't appear to be overwhelmingly crappy.

	29-05-2004 23:19									#229
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DS9 alternated between dull and schmaltzy. It had a few good episodes, but on the whole I give it a big thumbs down.

	29-05-2004 23:20									#230
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i loved it.... well the entire idea of runninga station with not only 'military personnel' (starfleet) but also civilians...and what happened between them...and ofcourse the dominion war......

	29-05-2004 23:20									#231
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Who has anything against DS9? Serie was poor in the begining but it was good after season two.

	29-05-2004 23:22									#232
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DS9 has nothing on Babylon 5. Now that's a station-based show!

	29-05-2004 23:24									#233
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like other people said i got sick of the cast changing...and well didnt like the story line that much....it was to dark for my taste...

	29-05-2004 23:27									#234
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quote: Originally posted by DeathByTheSword dude`s star wars and star trek cant be compared...they are well just like an apple and a different kind of fruit...the difference is to big...and i am a trekkie and a darth vader fan so i cant choose...

Yes they can

	29-05-2004 23:40									#235
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quote: Originally posted by Verto Perhaps I can make one that alternated between The Reagan and The Star Trek.

	29-05-2004 23:42									#236
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Teh Shatner trumps Teh Reagan any day.

	29-05-2004 23:45									#237
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun

All your racoon are belong to The Reagan.

	29-05-2004 23:50									#238
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It would be cooler if Reagan was more... subliminal. You could also add a "Vote GOP" slide in there, too.

	29-05-2004 23:50									#239
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this is a better ship...

	29-05-2004 23:51									#240
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Stargate out sucks them all.