21-08-2004 04:31									#421
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quote: Originally posted by Lawrence of Arabia its a bureacratic nightmare to make sure that work is distributed 'equally' how do you quantify work in ways other than money - is and hour of physical labor more valuable than an hour of desk job? there are literally millions of types of jobs out there (just look at monster.com to see) how will the party be able to decide who does what and how much each job is worth?

They don't have to start from scratch.

	21-08-2004 04:31									#422
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I'm thinking we'll hit 500 before nine pm eastern....maybe well before...LOL

Kid, as much fun as it is, when we DO hit five-oh-oh, I'm calling it a night.

I don't think I've laughed this much in six months, and my sides are aching.

Good stuff, but please...OH PLEASE tell me you don't really believe this stuff?

-=Vel=-

	21-08-2004 04:32									#423
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious And those people demand profit only, and at all costs.

Have you ever attended a shareholders meeting? It seems obvious you have not.

People are people and some of them love money and others hug trees-- a shareholders meeting gets lots of both types-- Haven't you witnessed the growth of "green" investment portfolios? Didn't you hear of the Canadian oil company that left a profitable African country to protest human rights? Where do you stick your head to nake such an asinine statement

What's next " having money is bad?

	21-08-2004 04:33									#424
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker quote: Originally posted by Flubber Over time I see things only getting better since government is continually improving those regulations.

Thanks for picking this one up for me.

	21-08-2004 04:33									#425
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Even if they only love profit, unless normal laws aren't enforced then they're only option is to get it through means that benefit the rest of us.

	21-08-2004 04:34									#426
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* chegitz guevara runs away!

	21-08-2004 04:34									#427
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It's only bad, Flubber, if you have more than Kid.

If you do, the cash cops will be along shortly to collect his share of your wages.

Please leave the light on for them, 'k?

-=Vel=-

	21-08-2004 04:34									#428
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara * chegitz guevara runs away!

	21-08-2004 04:35									#429
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:: best Darth Vader voice::

Che...you can run, but you cannot hide....

-=Vel=-

(c'mon in, the water's fine!)

	21-08-2004 04:36									#430
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx Competition for resources is going to get real ugly. I can assure you. Then it'll get real ugly under your utopia too. I can assure you. Unless we wait for replicators to be invented (by the capitalists, of course) before starting the revolution. But that won't work either, cos then what would we do for "work" ?? I guess we could all just sit around and think a lot....it's not work, but....you know. -=Vel=-

Nah, sharing is peacefull. Forget all that killing for resources. Leave it in the past.

	21-08-2004 04:37									#431
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara * chegitz guevara runs away!

I'm about to follow.

	21-08-2004 04:37									#432
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Leave it in the past.

Would that be the past right after all the counter-revolutionaries get crushed in one final and swift blow?

The punishment doled out by the non-totalitarian, eminantly democratic regieme?

-=Vel=-

	21-08-2004 04:39									#433
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Thanks for picking this one up for me.

I don't get it. Government regulates badly but over time they do get better in the areas that they regulate. People complain and make submissions and things change so that things like wildlife and the environment get better protected

Your schemes would involve( and a conservative estimate here,) perhaps an 8fold increase in necessary regulations and most of that in areas that government does not currently regulate at all. These means huge loopholes and in western democracies, likely large underground economies. It would be like prohibition in the US-- If the bulk of the poulace does not believe in the laws at all, they lose legitimacy and are not obeyed

	21-08-2004 04:39									#434
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Why ? take oil-- as it gets more expensive, people consume less, drill for more and look for alternatives--- Right now the high price is leading to reactivation of wells in old fields that had become uneconomic and has triggered many innovations that are leading to enhanced recovery schemes. So which resources are we about to get competitive for?

All of them, including oil.

	21-08-2004 04:41									#435
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But somehow....under Kid's utopian scheme....we'll magically find so many new resources that our communal job shops won't have to compete for resources.

YAY!!!!

-=Vel=-

	21-08-2004 04:41									#436
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx It's only bad, Flubber, if you have more than Kid. If you do, the cash cops will be along shortly to collect his share of your wages. Please leave the light on for them, 'k? -=Vel=-

Nope -- if kid has less than me BOOOOHOOOO-- he can work harder or make a better career choice

The money I get is just compensation for the work I do and the scorn and revulsion I face from the Vel's of the world ( oh right I am exempt )

	21-08-2004 04:41									#437
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious All of them, including oil.

They said we'd run out of coal, too, and it'd kill the Industrial Revolution.

	21-08-2004 04:42									#438
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Have you ever attended a shareholders meeting? It seems obvious you have not. People are people and some of them love money and others hug trees-- a shareholders meeting gets lots of both types-- Haven't you witnessed the growth of "green" investment portfolios? Didn't you hear of the Canadian oil company that left a profitable African country to protest human rights? Where do you stick your head to nake such an asinine statement What's next " having money is bad?

I'll just see if Skywalker will pick this one up.

	21-08-2004 04:43									#439
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This is all just repeatitive. Che did the right thing. Sorry folks. I've got other things to do.

	21-08-2004 04:43									#440
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::nods emphatically::

D@mn skippy you're exempt! I've never felt the urge to put any of the lawyers I've met on 'poly on a spit and slow-roast them while they're still alive.

You rock, Flubber! And I promise, when you come down this way, we WON'T be having Filet of Lawyer for dinner,'k?

-=Vel=-

	21-08-2004 04:44									#441
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber I don't get it. Government regulates badly but over time they do get better in the areas that they regulate. People complain and make submissions and things change so that things like wildlife and the environment get better protected

...

I don't share your faith that the government gets better at things over time. In fact, it's primarily my nigh-complete lack of faith in the ability of the government to do almost ANYTHING efficiently that makes me a capitalist

	21-08-2004 04:45									#442
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:: cups ear::

What IS that sound?

Is it the call for a general retreat from Team Red?



Twice in one day???

You guys are going soft.

-=Vel=-

	21-08-2004 04:45									#443
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx :: best Darth Vader voice:: Che...you can run, but you cannot hide.... -=Vel=- (c'mon in, the water's fine!)

Hmmm, swimming, not a bad idea. Later boys! I'm headin' to the pool.

	21-08-2004 04:46									#444
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quote: Originally posted by Velociryx :: cups ear:: What IS that sound? Is it the call for a general retreat from Team Red?

I was only sniping to begin with, and when I came back today and saw that seven pages had been added since I last looked, I didn't really feel like wading through it.

	21-08-2004 04:47									#445
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Enjoy it, Master Che!

-=Vel=-

EDIT: The pool, I mean.

	21-08-2004 04:49									#446
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I was only sniping to begin with, and when I came back today and saw that seven pages had been added since I last looked, I didn't really feel like wading through it.

Excuses, excuses

	21-08-2004 04:50									#447
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come on-- only 60 more to close the thread---

but its not as much without kid


che-- I haven't seen your positions on most of kid's stuff but they just CAN't be in accord

	21-08-2004 04:54									#448
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And THAT, Brother Flubber, is just exactly what I'm talking about.

All this debating and razzing the Reds is good fun (gosh, I have no idea what I'll do with the rest of my evening now)...

But the fact is, I do not believe that Kid's and Che's opinions are even CLOSE to being in accord.

Probably not even in the same state....much less the same city or ballpark.

And they're not the only two with differences. HUGE, incompatible differences.

That makes global implementation a bit....troublesome, I would think.

-=Vel=-

	21-08-2004 04:55									#449
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Ahhh but hell....since we ran them off, we may as well finish this thread off, right?

I mean, close as we are to the finish line and all....

-=Vel=-

	21-08-2004 04:55									#450
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There are at least as many different types of communism as there are communists.