03-09-2004 05:00									#331
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I'm bookmarking this thread for when Israel retaliates for a terrorist attack because several people here are making inconsistent statements on this issue.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb blah...blah...blah... Whatever, I'm log-off.

the blah...blah...blah attitude seems to be why Russia is in the mess that it is. When DD talks about what Russia has done you respond with America did this and America did that but DD was talking about what Russia has done. What some chechens are doing in this instance is vile indeed but don't just dismiss the role Russia plays in its own troubles. And before you go talking about America, the US should do exactly the same things and look and see exactly where all those feelings of hatered came from.

It's really very simple. Either Russia decides the price is too high to keep on being in chechnya and leaves or they take the efforts to the next level. Can Russia do that without killing thousands of civilians in the process? I don't know. The chechens seem to have lost the high ground on this issue with their use of terrorism but like many Euros like to point out, when your plight gets little attention elsewhere and your hopelessly out gunned people tend to use more drastic measures. Some people here have expressed outrage because the targets were children instead of adults but that seems strange to me. It's not ok to target any civilians period.. There is no difference between what palistinians do in Israel and what the chechens are doing in Russia. NONE AT ALL. Now you can talk all you want about the polices of Israel but you can you really say Russia has done any less than Israel? Even the US has done things to get on the lists of terrorist.

Again for the quick to respond and slow to think, Those that deliberately target civilians are wrong no matter what their cause. Doesn't matter if they kill children, middle aged people or old folks in wheelchairs, ITs ****ing WRONG. Regardless if it's against the US, Russia, Israel, Or Andorra. It Doesn't matter. Military targets may be a different story, something to think about. Then again that's just my opinion..

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Exactly, I agree with every word.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc I'm bookmarking this thread for when Israel retaliates for a terrorist attack because several people here are making inconsistent statements on this issue.

You're right, but there is something about attacking kids delibrately that is bothering me about this.

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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor quote: Originally posted by Heresson Also, I have to bash Spain, Philippines and others for their behaviour. This situation is caused but their example. Bull. Such things happened before the attacks against Spain, and before the Philippines' withdrawal from Iraq. Remember the theater in Moscow? The Russians sure didn't compromise. Yet, the terrorists continue to take hostages. It must mean something is wrong with your logic.

Not at all. One example is enough to try, You don't need a rule.

	03-09-2004 05:19									#337
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious You're right, but there is something about attacking kids delibrately that is bothering me about this.

Che wimped out on this but maybe you'll give it a whirl. What's the difference between blowing up kids who were riding a bus and killing kids in a school? Is it the fact one group is jewish and the other isn't?

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oh c-mon, don't accuse people of anti-Jewish prejudices.
I think the attacks on buses were not directed intentionally against children, here they were. The difference between hurt of a child and hurt of an adult is that the child is more likely to be damaged psychically because of it - that's the only difference. Here, I must change my mind a bit. In that light, attacking children is worse than attacking adults. Causing death - not.

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Che wimped out on this but maybe you'll give it a whirl. What's the difference between blowing up kids who were riding a bus and killing kids in a school? Is it the fact one group is jewish and the other isn't?

I don't excuss targeting kids at all. Adults in general are guilty for ****ing this world up. Kids aren't. Leave them out of it. Let them have a happy childhood.

	03-09-2004 06:13									#340
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Happy childhood = torturing animals, smashing plants with "swords" made of part of trees, playing computer games in which You kill thousands of man.

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We didn't have computer games when I was a kid, and I far as I'm concerned they do nothing put indoctrtinate little kiddies into a culture of violence. When I was a kid we played patriotic games like "B-52". I made sure that my machine was always loaded with the best, nothing but thermonuclear weapons.

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the kids are EVIL
They play those computer games and practice their skills on surroundings to step out once and destroy us, adults!


No-one will forbid them staying up all night or eating next pizza...

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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Che wimped out on this but maybe you'll give it a whirl. What's the difference between blowing up kids who were riding a bus and killing kids in a school? Is it the fact one group is jewish and the other isn't?

I hope you are not yourself now taking part in a bit of double standard of your own. You seem to understand that when the pals deliberately target children it's a horrific crime deserving of harsh retaliation but you haven't said much condemning this current situation as an example of exactly that sort of intolerable crime.

Am I misreading you? I hope so. I agree that a double standard is a problem but that shouldn't stop you in the least from recognizing that the terrorists in this school are unambiguously the villians in this story. You should be able to see that now is not the best time and this is not the best thread to attack people over their double standards. bookmark it quietly and inobtrusively and mention it the first time it is relevent in another thread.

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quote: Originally posted by Heresson Happy childhood = torturing animals, smashing plants with "swords" made of part of trees, playing computer games in which You kill thousands of man.

Yes, of course. More of that. My son loves that stuff, and no one taught him to love it.

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Killing people in video game.

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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Yes, of course. More of that. My son loves that stuff, and no one taught him to love it.

by which You mean You didn't teach Him that

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Anyway, it is either that kids aren't angels that have nothing to do with those bad adults, or that the adults spoil the children. One doesn't contradict each other.

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This is so idiotic. Are these guys going to wake up and realise how much damage they're going to do to their cause by executing children in front of the whole world?

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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Reported just now, two explosions were heard in the vicinity of the school. No further word. This incident is getting almost no attention from the US press. Wierd.

The Networks are tied up with the Convention but it is readily available on CNN, Yahoo news, MSNBC, etc., etc. Its out there for those who look for it.

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quote: Originally posted by Serb Ned, we could have some different views about certain issues such Chechnya or Iraq, (all of us are hostages of local media after all), but still few things unite us. Both our people believe that terrorism is ****ing evil, unforgiven evil, that terrorists have no excuse and should be punished.

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CNN is just now reporting two explosions, presumably from terrorist grenade launchers. The terrorists appear to be getting nervous - not a good development.

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CNN just reported that? Man they're late First in the world.. BS! LAST in the world.

Yeah, they fired some little after midnight. At least one cop got hurt in it.. the negotiations were cut down right then, but now they have again started negotiating something. The people have been pushed further from the school, which tells us that the situation is maybe not calming down.

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Hard to say how old their information was but CNN appearently had someone on location. They were taping a report about the first explosion when the second happened (still no luck on the link).

I have a bad feeling about all of this. Few supplies are going in so alot of people should be very hungry now. I don't think the terrorists ever intended a peaceful resolution and are just dragging it out as long as possible for maximum effect and publicity. I hope I'm wrong.

Continuing prayers...

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CNN is good folks

Anyway yeah.. it's weird. What are they thinking, what are they trying to accomplish.. it makes little sense.

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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 I don't think the terrorists ever intended a peaceful resolution and are just dragging it out as long as possible for maximum effect and publicity.

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quote: Originally posted by pchang Its about time someone stood up against the hijacking of their religion.

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a released hostage says there are as many as 1500 people in there

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http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle....storyID=6143084

"The witnesses, among 26 women and infants released on Thursday, said the group of up to 40 heavily armed captors was refusing to give hostages food and water.

"You know, there aren't 350 people in there, but 1,500 in all. People are lying one on top of another," Zalina Dzandarova, a 27-year-old woman, told the Kommersant daily. "

	03-09-2004 13:38									#359
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Don't trust eyewitness accounts too far. The woman is probably mistaken.

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According to the Russian newspaper Izvestiya, the FSB has identified many of the terrorists, and they are now planning to track down and capture the terrorists' families.

It's hard to say if that will help, or just make the situation worse?