03-09-2004 14:28									#361
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CNN just had breaking news. Seems the Russians made a move on the school.

	03-09-2004 14:34									#362
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Ah jeez. Interfax reports the roof of the school collapsed...

	03-09-2004 14:39									#363
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From the shaky-cam they're using it looks like some of the hostages are fleeing the building, most in their underwear.

	03-09-2004 14:42									#364
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Ok, they'd stripped down because of the heat.

	03-09-2004 14:42									#365
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They reported here a moment ago about soldiers carrying away escaped kids covered in blood

	03-09-2004 14:43									#366
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So it has begun...

	03-09-2004 14:45									#367
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Report: Group Breaks Out of Russia School

4 minutes ago


BESLAN, Russia - A group of about 30 women and children broke out of a school in southern Russia where militants were holding hundreds of people captive Friday, a news agency reported, after two loud explosions were heard and Russian commandos opened fire near the building.


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Slideshow: Terrorists Hold Children Hostage at Russia School
Militants Release 26 Hostages in Russia
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The Interfax news agency said that the school's roof had collapsed and militants were shelling and firing from the building. Interfax said the hostages who broke out of the school included women and children. It was impossible to immediately verify the reports.


Two helicopters hovered overhead. An ambulance rushed from the scene and CNN reported that at least two people were wounded. On Thursday, the militants inside the school had released some 26 of the hundreds of hostages held inside the building since Wednesday.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...id=518&ncid=716

	03-09-2004 14:55									#368
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Signing off for the night. My prayers to all...

	03-09-2004 15:12									#369
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They just reported that the shooting has ended and that the Russians have control over the school. The terrorists were apparently trying to flee the school, shooting at the fleeing hostages, and being shot by the Russian soldiers.

It seems that most of the hostages managed to escape the school alive during the chaos the last hour

	03-09-2004 15:41									#370
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We don't know about the ones still in the school though. I hope there wasn't too much injury done.

If the Russians managed to save everybody, it's really a big to them.

	03-09-2004 16:49									#371
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quote: I hope there wasn't too much injury done.

Latest figures:

Wounded: + 250
dead: + 10

And numbers are rising.

	03-09-2004 17:00									#372
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It seems most of the terrorists escaped also. HOW!?! Why wasn't the school surrounded?

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Sky News has a reporter outside the gymnasium, and there has been fighting and a terrorist has been caught inside, the roof has collapsed, we assume, on children trapped inside, all contrary to offical Russian reports.

	03-09-2004 17:04									#374
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quote: It seems most of the terrorists escaped also. HOW!?! Why wasn't the school surrounded?

Why didn't they have more troops? They should have had at least 1000, and none of the small number of troops on the ground even has a fricking radio

Hell, they were sending in civilians to rescue burned hostages whilst they were in a firefight with a terrorist in the same fricking building.

What sort of a boy scouts unit is the Russian military?

	03-09-2004 17:09									#375
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quote: Sky News has a reporter outside the gymnasium, and there has been fighting and a terrorist has been caught inside, the roof has collapsed, we assume, on children trapped inside, all contrary to offical Russian reports.

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/...3212125,00.html

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I wonder why they chose to attack in daylight.

	03-09-2004 17:17									#377
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I wonder why they chose to attack in daylight.

They seem to have followed up after some kids escaped and were being shot at.

quote: It seems most of the terrorists escaped also. HOW!?! Why wasn't the school surrounded?

Probably was, in Russia, money can do anything.

	03-09-2004 17:22									#378
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I'm so relieved, it now seems that most of the children escaped this terrible ordeal relatively unharmed.

As for all the conspiracy theories, why not wait until we have a clearer picture of what actually transpired... then we can all start blaming the various people and institutions we don't like, and everybody will be happy.

	03-09-2004 17:25									#379
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On NPR, it appears to have been a planned attack. The press was moved 150 meters back from the school.

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quote: I'm so relieved, it now seems that most of the children escaped this terrible ordeal relatively unharmed.

Hahahaha... I take it you don't watch TV? Reports are that children from the gym came out unconsious, legs badly burned due to the explosions etc.

Relatively unharmed my arse.

	03-09-2004 17:27									#381
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On BBC they are pointing out how very few children of 10 or less seem to be among the survivors running around, a reporter mentioned that most of the casualties being brought out and taken to hospital were 6-8yr olds.

	03-09-2004 17:28									#382
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quote: On NPR, it appears to have been a planned attack. The press was moved 150 meters back from the school.

According to Inter-Tass (which quite frankly is more full of crap than Fox), a bus went up the the school gates to collect dead or wounded hostages from earlier this week, a terrorist saw the military moving about, fired, and the Russians fired back, ending in this.

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quote: Originally posted by Winston As for all the conspiracy theories, why not wait until we have a clearer picture of what actually transpired... then we can all start blaming the various people and institutions we don't like, and everybody will be happy.

I'm talking about individual bribes, that's how they may have got in, in the first place.

	03-09-2004 17:31									#384
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IIRC after the opera house incident the original estimates of civilian fatalities were originally low, but grew very quickly, though in that case a large number of fatalities were caused by the failure to provide the antidote to the narcotic gas to the victims in a timely manner. Let'a hope that the fatality rate doesn't sky-rocket in the next few hours, still, with 280 wounded I fear that a significant portion of those will die.

My impression is that the situation was forced upon the Russians. Apparently some hostages made an escape and were fired upon by the militants, forcing the Russian soldiers or volunteers to return fire. The sound of gunfire may have caused some of the militants to trigger their bombs. collapsing the roof of part of the school, after which it turned into a free for all.

The Russians used ununiformed volunteers. One report stated that some men in civilian clothes were seen running from the building shouting that they were chasing some of the attackers. I wonder if some of the militants might have escaped in this fashion. The volunteers didn't even wear arm bands for identification.

We'll know more over the next few days.

	03-09-2004 17:42									#385
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quote: Originally posted by Kalius Hahahaha... I take it you don't watch TV? Reports are that children from the gym came out unconsious, legs badly burned due to the explosions etc. Relatively unharmed my arse.

Well you seem to be in a nice mood today.

But you're right, I don't watch TV.

	03-09-2004 17:53									#386
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Terrorists and special forces agreed that dead bodies would be carried out. As that happened, there were two explosions, hostages on the ground floor ran for it and terrorists opened fire. At that, special forces responded with fire to protect the fleeing hostages and took the school over.

Russians admitted that there have been "significantly more" hostages than reported, definitely over 500. Most terrorists are alive, managing to escape mixing with the crowd. Special forces are conducting a search in the area right now. Many hostages killed and wounded .

	03-09-2004 17:54									#387
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Oh, just in - at least 150 hostages dead, at least 200 another wounded. Total hostage count possibly was up to a thousand. Some special forces personnel were killed in the fight, too.

	03-09-2004 17:56									#388
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People coming outside say there were 1,000 hostages. I doubt that's an accurate number though.

Good luck Russia.

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The only stories I'm seeing say 7 killed, 150 wounded.

-Arrian

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quote: People coming outside say there were 1,000 hostages. I doubt that's an accurate number though.

Was said though by the former President of Ingushetia, not the man to speak nonsense probably.

Arrian - CNN reports at least 100 dead, Russian sources at least 150. I believe I have the most current information here, I have the Russian TV on and their best news site, too.