22-10-2004 16:36									#331
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quote: Originally posted by Havak McGeechan, who looks likely to helm the ‘mid-weekers’ is one hell of a nice bloke and I think probably the better coach too. If only he hadn’t turned down the 2001 job (to coach Scotland – tosser!) he might still be main man now.

And he could be a knight!

quote: I almost suspect they don’t want golden boys captaincy tainted by starting with three big losses skippering a scratch side.

Cripes, on that basis, it could be the only deep-seated bruise to keep a player out for three years.

quote: I can buy the training session with L***** boys – it can really help defensive workouts.

I fail to see the value, but still.

quote: I have to say I am hugely surprised at you. For passing on his raking up of the Toulouse fullbacks moment of madness last year.

I lose all sense of time and space and sanity when I enter into Zinzan's world. It's some sort of parallel universe inhabited only by him.

quote: And remind me – what sides dod he pick for the English league title and European cup win? Is it the kiss of death I wonder?

See above.

BTW, I watched half an hour of highlights of the 95 World Cup tonight. I thoroughly enjoyed watching Jonah steamrolling Tony Underwood and the others. And I didn't know until tonight that Underwood had winked at Jonah during the haka. How he paid for it a bit later.

Pity I happened to be out of the room when that pr*ck wearing white kicked a drop goal against us.

	22-10-2004 17:27									#332
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quote: And he could be a knight!

Strange isn’t it – Geecs is a three times Lions coach and won series in Australia and South African – and only got an empire medal for it. He has always honoured his contracts – and avoided publically criticising his employers and opponents. His is by far I would say the more worthy Knight.

quote: Cripes, on that basis, it could be the only deep-seated bruise to keep a player out for three years.

Naa mate – we will be beating your mob again within 12 months – we have crops of young brilliant forwards coming through the club game and you, um, don’t.

quote: I fail to see the value, but still.

Give them their due – the first up hits in defence can be huge in the girlie code.

That’s because they know after six phases the ref will take their ball away (and we all fall asleep).

quote: It's some sort of parallel universe inhabited only by him.

And he gets paid to live in it!

quote: Pity I happened to be out of the room when that pr*ck wearing white kicked a drop goal against us.

Mr Andrews shining moment. How it wrenched my heart to see Aussie players distraught.

I still have nightmares about Lomu-Underwood. If Lomu had ever matched his form against us in other fixtures he would be remembered as an all time great – but he never quite made that status.

	22-10-2004 18:14									#333
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Strange isn’t it – Geecs is a three times Lions coach and won series in Australia and South African – and only got an empire medal for it. He has always honoured his contracts – and avoided publically criticising his employers and opponents. His is by far I would say the more worthy Knight.

Best of all, he's probably not psychotic.

quote: Give them their due – the first up hits in defence can be huge in the girlie code. That’s because they know after six phases the ref will take their ball away (and we all fall asleep).

Yes, and huge hits because they don't have to compete for the ball at the tackle. Stupid, pointless game.

quote: Mr Andrews shining moment. How it wrenched my heart to see Aussie players distraught.

As I said, I was conveniently out of the room when that replay happened. I also happen to have no recollection of even having watched it at the time.

quote: I still have nightmares about Lomu-Underwood. If Lomu had ever matched his form against us in other fixtures he would be remembered as an all time great – but he never quite made that status.

He had blinders against everyone except, perhaps, the Boks. I don't think he played them too often, apart from that World Cup. He carved us up most times he played against us when he was healthy. I think his illness stopped him achieving the status. His last couple of seasons, which were below par for him, were obviously marred by it. 6' 5", 18 stone, and could run the 100 in close to even time. Terrifying!

	23-10-2004 02:36									#334
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Union Sportive des Arlequins de Perpignan 23 - Edinburgh 0

Half-time score : 3-0

The Catalans stuttered their Rugby all along the first half against limited but valliant Scottish players largely dominated in every sector of the game. The first half was thus an accumulation of knock-ons, fumbles and other fools.

The second half saw the Perpignanais in a different shape, though the game was marred with too many fools, they were more enterprising and scored a first and beautiful try thanks to Manuel Edmonds who delivered a fine kick he recovered himself in the scottish try zone. The rest of the game is purely anecdoctic, the question was not about a victory or not of the USAP but about the margin of the said victory.

The main teaching of the game is that the Catalans have not solved their main problem which is discipline, I am sure it will cost them some victories especially in the H-Cup.

	23-10-2004 06:18									#335
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Well, they spent all that money, it's time they produced some results.

BTW, how is your Gallois doing?

EDIT. I just discovered this scoreline: Toulouse 9 -d- Scarlets 6.

1. Who or what are the Scarlets? Or who or what were they before they changed their name to something so meaningless!

2. Reading the report, it seems Toulouse were lucky to win.

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quote: Originally posted by finbar Well, they spent all that money, it's time they produced some results. BTW, how is your Gallois doing?

Very well, thank you!

Gareth Thomas is a very talented player whether he plays at the wing, at the center or as a full back. He is able to adapt himself very easily and has a great offensive skill.

quote: EDIT. I just discovered this scoreline: Toulouse 9 -d- Scarlets 6.

Yep!

quote: 1. Who or what are the Scarlets? Or who or what were they before they changed their name to something so meaningless!

Llanelli (say clanecli)...

It seems to be a new trend in the NH, one of those stupid things, like opera singers for the national hymns, coming from the SH.

quote: 2. Reading the report, it seems Toulouse were lucky to win.

As far as I know, having heard Jean-Baptiste Ellissalde at the radio, the weather was awful, with a very strong wind and the French forwards dominated their opponents. Needless to say that the Stade Toulousain certainly had to fight against a 16th player... a brittish referee.

The game is scheduled at 1:30 pm on cable TV, I shall see it and should have a better idea about the whole affair.

	23-10-2004 19:44									#337
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quote: What worries me is that a Haematoma in the arm should not be preventing a 25 year old playing. Something else is going on methinks.

That's indeed no reason not to play. I started playing yesterday evening with 2 haematoms, one in the arm and one in the thigh, plus a few stud marks on the forehead form Tuesday training session. So there must be somehting else.
(By the way, we won, 3 tries to one).
I am getting better at throwing the ball in a lineout, particularly when there's a good second jumper. First jumper still causes me problems, but we did score a try 'en force' after a short lineout. My coach expects me to spend 10 minutes throwing the ball at the bars at the start of each training session when the other players are actually having fun before the coach comes and tells us to do silly things. I'll be on vacation for 1 week and a half, so when I next see him in 3 weeks, there's a possibility that he will have forgotten about it...

	24-10-2004 06:01									#338
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Very well, thank you! Gareth Thomas is a very talented player whether he plays at the wing, at the center or as a full back. He is able to adapt himself very easily and has a great offensive skill.

But how's his command of the language coming along? Of course I refer to both French and English.

quote: It seems to be a new trend in the NH, one of those stupid things, like opera singers for the national hymns, coming from the SH.

Nothing to do with us! They obviously changed their name because their original name was unpronounceable!

quote: As far as I know, having heard Jean-Baptiste Ellissalde at the radio, the weather was awful, with a very strong wind and the French forwards dominated their opponents. Needless to say that the Stade Toulousain certainly had to fight against a 16th player... a brittish referee.

Delete Toulouse, insert Leicester, and it could be a Havak match report.

quote: The game is scheduled at 1:30 pm on cable TV, I shall see it and should have a better idea about the whole affair.

The report I read said that Toulouse hardly touched the ball in the first half. Let me know.

	24-10-2004 06:04									#339
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quote: Originally posted by LDiCesare I started playing yesterday evening with 2 haematoms, one in the arm and one in the thigh, plus a few stud marks on the forehead form Tuesday training session.

And your wife's thoughts on this?

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quote: Originally posted by finbar Nothing to do with us! They obviously changed their name because their original name was unpronounceable!

I would say that I have scored a hit.

quote: Delete Toulouse, insert Leicester, and it could be a Havak match report.

I have a proof, the referee was Mister White.

quote: The report I read said that Toulouse hardly touched the ball in the first half. Let me know.

This report is a bit exaggerated, the Toulousains' forwards dominated their opponents but it is true the Welsh missed two easy penalties. It can thus be called, somehow, a lucky win though the Stade Toulousain played rather well.

	24-10-2004 06:44									#341
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin I would say that I have scored a hit.

You couldn't hit the side of a barn with a bucket of wheat!

Look that up in your Petit Ophrys!

quote: I have a proof, the referee was Mister White.

I say again - Havak in stereo.

quote: This report is a bit exaggerated, the Toulousains' forwards dominated their opponents but it is true the Welsh missed two easy penalties. It can thus be called, somehow, a lucky win though the Stade Toulousain played rather well.

Stop quoting your own player's version that you heard on the radio!

	24-10-2004 13:41									#342
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quote: And your wife's thoughts on this?

She's developped some kind of 'oh well that again' reaction and got used to it. My small bruises are much more useful to stop my daughter's whining because her fingerhurts her and "look here I've got a bruise". She then shows me something which can hardly be called a scratch and says it hurts. I then show her my thigh with a nice purple and yellow circle 5cm wide with a nice stud mark scar in the middle and I can tell her to stop whining because I don't. She then stops whining at me, sulks, and goes see her mother instead.

	24-10-2004 17:46									#343
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quote: Originally posted by LDiCesare She's developped some kind of 'oh well that again' reaction and got used to it. My small bruises are much more useful to stop my daughter's whining because her fingerhurts her and "look here I've got a bruise". She then shows me something which can hardly be called a scratch and says it hurts. I then show her my thigh with a nice purple and yellow circle 5cm wide with a nice stud mark scar in the middle and I can tell her to stop whining because I don't. She then stops whining at me, sulks, and goes see her mother instead.

I hope you're paying attention to these parenting tips, Tamerlin!

	25-10-2004 12:56									#344
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quote: Gareth Thomas is a very talented player whether he plays at the wing, at the center or as a full back

God bless Tamerlin. I need a good belly laugh on a Monday morning.

The lad is a passable (not much more) fullback and wing – but centre? Are you on the happy juice again?

quote: Llanelli (say clanecli)...

Sorry to be picky but the closest a non-Welsh speaker can get is Clan-ethli. Although it’s not quite a ‘C’ sound to start – it ‘rolls’ more than that.

Llanelli Scarlets are the Welsh province that kept the name of the main club that formed it. Scarlets was their nickname for years – as they became a Province it became official. They have been the strongest Welsh challengers in the European cup for years – but always suffering heartbreak (including a semi-final defeat to Tigers in 2002). They are now waning – their fly half nicked off to France in the summer and their skipper Scott Quinell is years past his best.

On the face of it Toulouse did really well – Scarlets are traditionally very hard to beat at Rodney Parade. However this season Toulouse are the fourth side to beat them there.

Their coach by the way is on the Lions coaching roster – and is the worst (least gracious) loser I have ever encountered in the UK in the Professional era.

quote: Needless to say that the Stade Toulousain certainly had to fight against a 16th player... a brittish referee.

Sorry but if we can cope with a useless Scot lump you can cope with Chris White.

Having said that the reports I heard from those who watched said Toulouse were awful…sorry.

quote: I'll be on vacation for 1 week and a half, so when I next see him in 3 weeks, there's a possibility that he will have forgotten about it...

If he is typical of amateur coaches here he probably forgot about it right after saying it.

Good to see you won – and that small bumps and bruises don’t stop you. Easy to spot you are a forward.

quote: Delete Toulouse, insert Leicester, and it could be a Havak match report.

Pretty much.

Rained throughout. Total mismatch. Despite a strangely large number of North Aucklanders and actual Aucklanders on their team sheet. Tigers followed a bizarre game plan that kept them chip and box kicking (in my day when it was raining heavily you stuck the pill up the packs shirts). We never really got out of first gear so it was no real preparation for Biarritz Olympique (who were beaten by Day-Glo’s mob). Still five tries means a bonus point win for us.

The best news is probably that Ellis and Moody each got a brace of tries. Add that to Cohen scoring a match winning try for Saints in their game and maybe there is a glimmer of hope for England…

	25-10-2004 15:10									#345
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quote: Originally posted by Havak God bless Tamerlin. I need a good belly laugh on a Monday morning. The lad is a passable (not much more) fullback and wing – but centre? Are you on the happy juice again?

Garreth Thomas has been tested by the coaches at this places and proved willing and able every time I saw him.

quote: Sorry to be picky but the closest a non-Welsh speaker can get is Clan-ethli. Although it’s not quite a ‘C’ sound to start – it ‘rolls’ more than that.

As far as I am concerned, and though I appreciate the lesson, I will stick to Clanecli as the objective of language is to be understood. And I doubt I would be understood anywhere in France if I say Clan-ethli.

quote: On the face of it Toulouse did really well – Scarlets are traditionally very hard to beat at Rodney Parade. However this season Toulouse are the fourth side to beat them there.

quote: Sorry but if we can cope with a useless Scot lump you can cope with Chris White.

Is there a referee in the pannel?

quote: Having said that the reports I heard from those who watched said Toulouse were awful…sorry.

Of course, if you listen to Finbar...

About the Biarritz Olympique, I can only say that this is one of the worst games I have ever seen. Bad Wasps beating a worst Basque team unable to handle the ball. A very poor game with uninspired and clumsy French players accumulating stupid fools. This is one those games you have to forget very quickly, the only winners are those that have taken a nap while their TV was on.

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quote: Originally posted by Havak God bless Tamerlin. I need a good belly laugh on a Monday morning.

If you don't mind his American spelling of C-E-N-T-R-E.

quote: Their coach by the way is on the Lions coaching roster – and is the worst (least gracious) loser I have ever encountered in the UK in the Professional era.

Worse even than Clive?

quote: Having said that the reports I heard from those who watched said Toulouse were awful…sorry.

I've now read several reports that said Toulouse were crap. That seals it. They were.

quote: The best news is probably that Ellis and Moody each got a brace of tries. Add that to Cohen scoring a match winning try for Saints in their game and maybe there is a glimmer of hope for England…

So that would be Fatty Cohen's first try since ... ?

	25-10-2004 17:43									#347
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Garreth Thomas has been tested by the coaches at this places and proved willing and able every time I saw him.

Le fait de prendre ses désirs pour des réalitiés!

quote: Of course, if you listen to Finbar...

The best judges do!

quote: About the Biarritz Olympique, I can only say that this is one of the worst games I have ever seen. Bad Wasps beating a worst Basque team unable to handle the ball. A very poor game with uninspired and clumsy French players accumulating stupid fools. This is one those games you have to forget very quickly, the only winners are those that have taken a nap while their TV was on.

So what you're saying, in summary, is that they were no better than Toulouse against the unpronounceable Taffys?

	25-10-2004 20:05									#348
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quote: Garreth Thomas has been tested by the coaches at this places and proved willing and able every time I saw him.

Oh the lad is keen – and he has some ability. But the IQ I suspect is in the Phil Waugh ballpark.

quote: And I doubt I would be understood anywhere in France if I say Clan-ethli.

Fair enough.

quote: If you don't mind his American spelling of C-E-N-T-R-E.

It is your job to criticise spelling. Mine to laugh at Welsh exiles in France.

quote: Worse even than Clive?

I would say so. But you can judge yourself. After losing to Tigers after a successful penalty we took from the half way line he claimed the sticks were made out of the ‘wrong stuff’ and that they had blown in the wind letting the ball over when it really should not have made it. I am not kidding here. The guy is a grade one ass.

quote: I've now read several reports that said Toulouse were crap. That seals it. They were.

Did they say how great the referee was?

	25-10-2004 22:27									#349
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Le fait de prendre ses désirs pour des réalitiés!

This is the staple of the supporter!

quote: The best judges do!

That explains many things...

quote: So what you're saying, in summary, is that they were no better than Toulouse against the unpronounceable Taffys?

Better... They were incredibly worst, their game was a dysmal failure...

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Well, Canterbury ended up thrashing Wellington in the NPC final.

When do the fall tours start?

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quote: After losing to Tigers after a successful penalty we took from the half way line he claimed the sticks were made out of the ‘wrong stuff’ and that they had blown in the wind letting the ball over when it really should not have made it.

Awesome.

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quote: Originally posted by Havak Oh the lad is keen – and he has some ability. But the IQ I suspect is in the Phil Waugh ballpark.

On behalf of the Pit Bull, I resent that!

quote: It is your job to criticise spelling. Mine to laugh at Welsh exiles in France.

I'm up for both jobs.

quote: I would say so. But you can judge yourself. After losing to Tigers after a successful penalty we took from the half way line he claimed the sticks were made out of the ‘wrong stuff’ and that they had blown in the wind letting the ball over when it really should not have made it. I am not kidding here. The guy is a grade one ass.

No wonder Clive is taking him along on the Lions tour. They're out of the same mould.

quote: Did they say how great the referee was?

They didn't, but if they had, they'd've said the ref favoured Toulouse all day but they were too crap to take advantage of it.

	26-10-2004 04:51									#353
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin Better... They were incredibly worst, their game was a dysmal failure...

I've hunted my Petit Ophrys for the expression "rose-coloured glasses", as in a biased opinion. It's not there! It should be. It's a very common expression. What's the French for it?

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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Well, Canterbury ended up thrashing Wellington in the NPC final.

It was so one-sided I didn't even watch the delayed telecast.

quote: When do the fall tours start?

Presumably you mean autumn? Here are your dates to look forward to:

13 Nov 2004 Italy vs All Blacks

20 Nov 2004 Wales vs All Blacks (Cardiff)

27 Nov 2004 France vs All Blacks (Paris)

4 Dec 2004 Barbarians vs All Blacks

Only 17 more sleeps to go. Give or take a sleep, subject to time zones.

Tucked up in his comfy, warm cot in the East Midlands, Havak's nose twitches in his sleep as his subconscious senses an opportunity to mention, yet again, the All Blacks' habit of avoiding playing England.

Relaxing in his four-storey NY brownstone with a glass of port after a fine dinner, Caligastia dreams of Havak resurrecting the old All Blacks-avoiding-England chestnut, ready to remind Havak of England's last glorious expedition to the Shaky Isles.

	26-10-2004 05:22									#355
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin A very poor game with uninspired and clumsy French players accumulating stupid fools.

For a moment there I thought you were back to Toulouse and had gone back on your earlier assessment of a certain Welshman.

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I notice (catching up on the last week or so) that young Jonny did himself another injury and will be out for another few weeks.
Poor guy, and Englands loss, but I have to say I'm glad he'll be out for the RSA game. Even though they've made an effort to clean their play up I always thought his fronting up against them again so soon after coming back would have been a bad idea.
Much better for England to ('potentially' as a courtesy to Havak ) take its lumps and not unwisely expose their playmaker.


Incidentally who is this Larder chap? New Engalnd semi-coach or somesuch.

"The All Blacks epitomise to me the pinnacle of international rugby, they are an outstanding nation, they are brilliant players,"

Sounds rather intelligent and well-prioritized for an Englishman ...


http://www.planetrugby.com/Teams/En...ory_39193.shtml

He even references Graham Henry as an outstanding coach which will no doubt attract an opinion or two?

	26-10-2004 05:58									#357
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon Incidentally who is this Larder chap? New Engalnd semi-coach or somesuch.

Read the article closely. He went on three Rugby L***** Lions tours. 'Nuff said.

	26-10-2004 06:51									#358
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quote: Originally posted by finbar It was so one-sided I didn't even watch the delayed telecast.

What...you find out the results before deciding to watch?

quote: Presumably you mean autumn?

My Americanization continues apace.

quote: Relaxing in his four-storey NY brownstone

I wish!!!

quote: with a glass of port after a fine dinner

Well, I do have good food and drink thanks to my fantastic wife. You two should exchange recipies sometime.

quote: , Caligastia dreams of Havak resurrecting the old All Blacks-avoiding-England chestnut, ready to remind Havak of England's last glorious expedition to the Shaky Isles.

	26-10-2004 08:35									#359
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia What...you find out the results before deciding to watch?

I had no choice. I heard the result.

quote: My Americanization continues apace.

You and Tamerlin can collaborate on "Aiding & Abetting The Slaughter Of The English Language".

quote: I wish!!!

Just thought I'd prod your fantasies along a little bit!

quote: Well, I do have good food and drink thanks to my fantastic wife. You two should exchange recipies sometime.

She's of Italian heritage? That's fine by me. Where in Italy is the family from? We're off over there for a couple of years sometime in the first half of next year.

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Talk about a new look All Blacks' squad. No Marshall, no Mehrtens. Presumably Dan Carter is the starting 5/8.

Forwards: Steven Bates, Jerry Collins, Corey Flynn, Jono Gibbes, Carl Hayman, Marty Holah, Chris Jack, Jerome Kaino, Norm Maxwell, Richard McCaw, Keven Mealamu, Anton Oliver, Greg Somerville, Rodney So'oialo, Saimone Taumoepeau, Mose Tuiali'i, Ali Williams, Tony Woodcock.

Backs: Daniel Carter, Jimmy Cowan, Rico Gear, Doug Howlett, Byron Kelleher, Casey Laulala, Aaron Mauger, Luke McAlister, Malili Muliaina, Ma'a Nonu, Joe Rokocoko, Conrad Smith, Tana Umaga (captain), Piri Weepu.