26-10-2004 14:34									#361
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quote: Originally posted by finbar You and Tamerlin can collaborate on "Aiding & Abetting The Slaughter Of The English Language".

By the way, as far as I know there is not any colloquialism like "rose-coloured glasses", words like chauvin and chauvinisme, along with circumstantial sentences, do the trick.

And no need to look for the colloquialism you wrote earlier, it is like missing a cow in a corridor.

	26-10-2004 17:25									#362
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin

You're not taking me seriously!

quote: By the way, as far as I know there is not any colloquialism like "rose-coloured glasses", words like chauvin and chauvinisme, along with circumstantial sentences, do the trick.

Mmmm. According to my dictionaries, chauvin means something like jingoism. It might have a less literal meaning, but jingoism is a bit strong. "Rose coloured glasses" means looking at something more fondly, more positively, more optimistically than reality says you should.

quote: And no need to look for the colloquialism you wrote earlier, it is like missing a cow in a corridor.

I like that too!

	26-10-2004 19:18									#363
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quote: Originally posted by finbar I had no choice. I heard the result.

Ah, well, you were spared watching a slaughter. Something which is only interesting to me if it's the All Blacks doing the slaughtering.

quote: You and Tamerlin can collaborate on "Aiding & Abetting The Slaughter Of The English Language".

quote: She's of Italian heritage? That's fine by me. Where in Italy is the family from? We're off over there for a couple of years sometime in the first half of next year.

I can't remember off the top of my head where it is - somewhere in northern Italy.
She is a bit of a mix actually - Italian, Bavarian, Polish...

	26-10-2004 21:57									#364
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quote: Originally posted by finbar You're not taking me seriously!

No!

	27-10-2004 04:11									#365
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia I can't remember off the top of my head where it is - somewhere in northern Italy.

That's outrageous!

	27-10-2004 04:21									#366
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin No!

Anyway, I'm in mourning today. John Peel died yesterday. In short, a legend of British rock broadcasting, a champion of new, unusual, unorthodox, interesting bands and their music from the 1960s onwards. He made a lot of rock careers by searching out and playing music no other mainstream DJ would. And he was still doing it at the age of 65 when he died.

	27-10-2004 05:14									#367
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quote: Originally posted by finbar We're off over there for a couple of years sometime in the first half of next year.

So you finally managed to talk her into it then? Congratulations.
I take it then that a letter congratulating John Howard on his re-election is on its way to Canberra from one member of the finbar household afterall?
Mmm. Or perhaps not.


Oh and speaking of slaughtering the English language you actually meant that you were off over there for a couple of years starting sometime in the first half of next year.
That or the finbar-holiday will be subject to a rather intense time-dilation effect.

	27-10-2004 07:54									#368
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon So you finally managed to talk her into it then? Congratulations. I take it then that a letter congratulating John Howard on his re-election is on its way to Canberra from one member of the finbar household afterall?

Amanda Vanstone stuffed with plastic explosives, a timer and a detonator - parked outside his house - will be my parting gift to the little pr*ck.

quote: Oh and speaking of slaughtering the English language you actually meant that you were off over there for a couple of years starting sometime in the first half of next year. That or the finbar-holiday will be subject to a rather intense time-dilation effect.

Let's hear you say sixty six.

	27-10-2004 09:14									#369
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Hey Havak. Dan Luger and Henry Paul in the 40-man squad? Covering Laurel and Hardy in case they don't prove their fitness?

	27-10-2004 09:41									#370
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Suxty sux.

It looks as though you were right about Carter. He's in at 5/8. Carlos wasn't available, whatever that means, and Mehrtens and Marshall being rested.

Surprisingly it looks as though McCaw will get a shot as captain at some point too when they give Tana a break.
It's being billed as another 'development tour' (hence the not playing England no doubt ) although with only 8 new players in the whole squad I think that may be underestimating things just a bit.


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	27-10-2004 11:01									#371
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Carlos declared himself unavailable a couple of weeks ago "to recover from assorted injuries". Code for: "I see the writing on the dressing room wall and I'm jumping before I'm pushed". And Marshall and Mehrtens being rested is code for: "Pity their eyesight wasn't as good as Carlos'".

	27-10-2004 13:12									#372
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quote: Awesome.

A good word to sum it up.

quote: On behalf of the Pit Bull, I resent that!

Well you have to do it on his behalf given he cannot read.

quote: Havak's nose twitches in his sleep as his subconscious senses an opportunity to mention, yet again, the All Blacks' habit of avoiding playing England.

What really surprises me is that they are doing so right now. They must fancy their chances against an early rebuilding stage of an England side? Or maybe not?

And they do avoid us – particularly in England. Since the Millenium they have played us four times – three if which were in New Zealand. There is a pattern there you know – a huge gap between 1999 and 2002 whilst England were on the ascendancy and they were on the decline – then they find Howlett and Rokocoko and refs stop policing forward play and hey presto they are happy to play us again in Nov 2002.

And now they are only the third best side in the tri-nations they may even mistakenly think a young England side could challenge them.

I’m quite happy for Caligastia to remind me of this summers games – after all they were the ones that gave AB fans thoroughly false confidence for the Tri-nations campaign. All those victories over Day glo’s mob were meaningless (for starters he was and is a terrible skipper and the refs sucked ass – particularly the red card incident where AB forwards proved they prefer an emasculated game so their nails don’t get cracked and they can lay over the ball at will). I think the SH fans forget our boys came home from the world cup straight into another six solid months of rugby rather than heading to the beach for that time like your lads did.

How is that for stinky old bait?

Moving swiftly on…

quote: Much better for England to ('potentially' as a courtesy to Havak ) take its lumps and not unwisely expose their playmaker.

Oh potentially is definitely the correct word.

I have no idea how the autumn games will go. Some key players are well rested and some super talents coming back from injury. Some players are playing so well I am almost tempted to think we have a chance of winning all three. But we probably will not. I forgot we don’t have a fly half (Hodgson needs to prove to me the potential of three years ago is still there after the summer debacle).

I still wish Jonno was interested – he is playing better now than this time last year. In the form of his life in fact. Englands loss = Tigers gain.

quote: Sounds rather intelligent and well-prioritized for an Englishman ...

You walked right into a minefield there.

Larder is the England (and Tigers) defensive coach. Background entirely in rugby league. And he is admiring the ABs and Kiwi rugger union? And you are happy with that correlation?

And Finbar – please do not dignify the GB League side by calling them Lions. They may well have tried to use the name but the “British and Irish Lions” are Union only thank you very much.

Yes Luger and Henry Paul named in the squad. Make of this what you will too – of the initial 40 man squad Robinson named there are six Tigers forwards – and just one back. I feel so sorry for Ollie Smith – who was named in the press release as one of the players unavailable due to injury meaning he would have made it if not for the shoulder knock against Bath. But Moody and Deacon make the 40 – as do Corry, Kay and White (who is scrumming a storm right now). Young Harry Ellis flies the Tigers girlies flag at half back.

There is perhaps hope for Robinson – only five Bath players made the 40.

There are some interesting youngsters from other clubs in there too. More on that as we get nearer the Wallaby whipping date.
Maybe Marshall and Mehrts are missing because this is a ‘developmental’ (ha-ha) tour designed to build bridges – and both have mouths that sometimes bring bridges crashing down?

	27-10-2004 18:10									#373
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quote: Originally posted by Havak How is that for stinky old bait?

A Carp that hadn't eaten for a month would still spit it out.

quote: And Finbar – please do not dignify the GB League side by calling them Lions. They may well have tried to use the name but the “British and Irish Lions” are Union only thank you very much.

Sorry, I'm still in mourning for John Peel. And I hope you're wearing black crepe, too. Anyway, the BBC used the term, so it can't possibly be questioned.

quote: Yes Luger and Henry Paul named in the squad.

I think someone wrote down their names for a joke and forgot about it.

quote: Make of this what you will too – of the initial 40 man squad Robinson named there are six Tigers forwards – and just one back.

I know what I make of it. Forward power rules at Leicester. The watchable games are played elsewhere.

quote: Maybe Marshall and Mehrts are missing because this is a ‘developmental’ (ha-ha) tour designed to build bridges – and both have mouths that sometimes bring bridges crashing down?

Mmmm. I actually think G. Henry has showed some courage and opted for generational change. I have to say, having watched a lot of S12 matches last season, none of the newcomers' names ring many bells with me.

	27-10-2004 18:19									#374
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Hmm - I thought the conclusion would be "too many non-English players in our backs".

And yes bad news about Peely...

	27-10-2004 21:02									#375
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quote: Originally posted by finbar Anyway, I'm in mourning today. John Peel died yesterday. In short, a legend of British rock broadcasting, a champion of new, unusual, unorthodox, interesting bands and their music from the 1960s onwards. He made a lot of rock careers by searching out and playing music no other mainstream DJ would. And he was still doing it at the age of 65 when he died.

For once I will take you seriously as such men, though I don't know who John Peel were, must indeed be mourned. Actually, every man who fought against the uniformity of mass consumption, willingly or not, deserve to be mourned. They are an endangered species fighting a desperate battle against people that are becoming too lazy or/and too dumb to listen at something else than the crap broadcasted on the mass media.

	28-10-2004 04:36									#376
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Hmm - I thought the conclusion would be "too many non-English players in our backs".

I leave the flogging of the birthplace horse to others.

	28-10-2004 04:57									#377
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin For once I will take you seriously as such men, though I don't know who John Peel were, must indeed be mourned. Actually, every man who fought against the uniformity of mass consumption, willingly or not, deserve to be mourned. They are an endangered species fighting a desperate battle against people that are becoming too lazy or/and too dumb to listen at something else than the crap broadcasted on the mass media.

John Peel had a wonderful dry Liverpudlian accent and wouldn't use ten words when he could get away with five. He was the first DJ - well, music radio presenter, because he was the antithesis of a typical DJ because he let the music speak - to play, for example, Led Zepplin in their very early days, a time when Heavy Metal (or whatever you want to call it) simply didn't exist. He stumbled across Punk in its very early days and introduced it to the public. And so on, and so on. The last time I heard him was on the BBC World Service about a month ago. He played a very unusual but most compelling Japanese sort-of-techno band. As you say, there aren't enough of his kind.

	28-10-2004 07:33									#378
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quote: Originally posted by Havak You walked right into a minefield there.

That one was supposed to be a gimme. Perhaps I should've used another or two.

quote: Larder is the England (and Tigers) defensive coach. Background entirely in rugby league. And he is admiring the ABs and Kiwi rugger union? And you are happy with that correlation?

Your point being that in the NH RL players and coaches are smarter than their Union counterparts?
Well I'll take your word for it, even though it's the other way around in the SH.
Of course I suppose your lot have always been a bit down-side-up in many other ways too ...


Misinterpretation? Uhh? I'll have to look that up in a word-meaning-finding-thing sometime.

quote: There are some interesting youngsters from other clubs in there too. More on that as we get nearer the Wallaby whipping date. Maybe Marshall and Mehrts are missing because this is a ‘developmental’ (ha-ha) tour designed to build bridges – and both have mouths that sometimes bring bridges crashing down?

Mouths that bring bridges crashing down? Marshall?? Mehrtens??
Lordy, Clive isn't even in his rugby grave for 3 months after spitting the dummy with a verbal thermonuke (my words IIRC ) and Englishmen are using the phrase with regards to somebody else???!!!
What is the world coming to ...

	28-10-2004 08:55									#379
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ravagon, ravagon, ravagon, ravagon, ravagon, ravagon ... you've risen to the stinkiest bait since He caught the fishes to go with the loaves!

	28-10-2004 12:04									#380
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Mmmm?
Thought I was replying in kind ...

Oh well, back to basics.
How many English rugby players does it take to change a lightbulb.

	28-10-2004 13:07									#381
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Much better. That'll stump him. Electricity has only just reached the East Midlands.

	28-10-2004 14:13									#382
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quote: John Peel had a wonderful dry Liverpudlian accent and wouldn't use ten words when he could get away with five.

You know he cultivated that accent yes? Although born in the area he had a very prim and proper voice as a young adult thanks to his public school background.

quote: Perhaps I should've used another or two.

Such indicators would always be helpful thanks.

quote: Your point being that in the NH RL players and coaches are smarter than their Union counterparts?

Almost – although I think you have an ‘N’ in their where I used an ‘S’.

quote: Of course I suppose your lot have always been a bit down-side-up in many other ways too ...

Would I dare claim otherwise?

quote: and Englishmen are using the phrase with regards to somebody else???!!!

We are nothing if not fair – when we see qualities we recognise them.

Clive was a Dill in what he said to the antipodean press this year. You don’t feed blinkered psycho’s easy feed lines the way he did.

Just in case you ‘misinterpreted’ that.

But Merhts and Marshall are far worse – in the same way Healey can be. Do you know why I say that? Because they are players. Players disrespecting opponents is completely unacceptable to me. Coaches are a different matter as they are not the men actually taking the field. This is why I won’t cry when Matt Burke breaks his leg on a frosty Newcastle pitch – he has the same disrespectful mouth disease as the discarded Kiwi half backs and Finbar’s mate VD.

And I thought you replied very well in kind.

But before you two get all chummy with these jokes can you please explain something to me? What exactly is this electricity thing you are talking about?

	28-10-2004 17:13									#383
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quote: Originally posted by Havak You know he cultivated that accent yes? Although born in the area he had a very prim and proper voice as a young adult thanks to his public school background.

In those days, he'd've been murdered at public school for his accent. And, in the early days, probably wouldn't have worked on the BBC with it. I'm sure I remember his current (so to speak) accent from more thirty years or so ago. Hopefully he returned to his roots.

quote: But before you two get all chummy with these jokes

I'm having to educated him in the matter of your stinky baits! He falls for them hook, line and proverbial!

quote: can you please explain something to me? What exactly is this electricity thing you are talking about?

Look out, ravagon, there's another one. He's getting very shrewd with them!

	28-10-2004 20:18									#384
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You are a master of the subtle (?) mickey take Finbar.

Peel adopted the working class scouser advert in his pirate radio days so anytime from the mid sixties on he was back to his vocal 'roots'.

	29-10-2004 04:56									#385
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quote: Originally posted by Havak You are a master of the subtle (?) mickey take Finbar.

Moi? Heavens, I'm only a humble Leicester supporter.

quote: Peel adopted the working class scouser advert in his pirate radio days so anytime from the mid sixties on he was back to his vocal 'roots'.

Actually, I was reading an obituary this morning. He went to the US in 1962 or 1963, happened to be there when Beatlemania struck the States, realised the value of his Liverpudlian roots, went with - or reverted to - the accent, and never looked back. Even, it's claimed, interviewed himself as George Harrison and sold it to US radio. Expediency!

	29-10-2004 12:58									#386
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quote: Moi? Heavens, I'm only a humble Leicester supporter.

And a master of the not so subtle as well.

quote: Even, it's claimed, interviewed himself as George Harrison and sold it to US radio. Expediency!

Now this is amusing for some reason.

Oh and your friend Sir Clive has been up to his usual inconsistency – he now claims he will only consider current Internationals for the Lions squad (directly contradicting himself from just four months ago).

This is almost certainly a result of pressure from the Home Unions – none of whom liked the idea that their incumbents could be sidelined as Clive took Jonno, Dayglo, Backy et al down to Kiwi land.

You can be sure when it comes to it if the retired players stay fit and are available Clive will take them with him. The man is no stranger to hypocrisy after all.

The French lads will have to forgive my bias here but I am hoping Biarritz Olympique cannot make the elimination phase of the European cup after they lose tomorrow.

And I’d love to ask them why the unelected EU Commission thinks it can force a European Constitution on member states. It’s almost like they are trying to make the UK leave the EU as quickly as possible – telling a Brit he needs a European Constitution is as palatable to him as saying you want to sleep with his wife!

	29-10-2004 13:36									#387
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Clive was a Dill in what he said to the antipodean press this year. You don’t feed blinkered psycho’s easy feed lines the way he did.

Are you calling me a blinkered psycho?!

quote: Just in case you ‘misinterpreted’ that.

Oh. Nevermind.

quote: It’s almost like they are trying to make the UK leave the EU as quickly as possible – telling a Brit he needs a European Constitution is as palatable to him as saying you want to sleep with his wife!

For some reason this brought to mind an old British sitcom that my parents used to watch.
It was called 'George and Mildred'...

... still thinking about your simile ...


Incidentally no-one even bothered to guess at the lightbulb thing.

One to read the manual on how to change a lightbulb,
Three to go out in search of a new lightbulb,
Two to search the pubs for the three who got 'lost' on the way back,
One to remove the old lightbulb,
Two to put the lightbulb socket back in the ceiling afterwards,
Three to fix the damage to the rest of the ceiling,
One to realise that the lightbulb wasn't broken in the first place,
One to read the manual on how to use a lightswitch,

silence
...
... [crickets chirping] ...
...

Well blah. Nearly hometime anyway.

I predict that finbar will be an hour early on Monday.

	29-10-2004 14:59									#388
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Ah bless your heart. Translating jokes about the ABs into English for me.



George and Mildred came into your mind when I mentioned the sleeping with his wife part? Hmm - Yootha Joyce fan then?

Changing the clocks the same weekend as us then gentlemen?

As to your opening question - are you a Kiwi journalist?

	29-10-2004 16:14									#389
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Oh and your friend Sir Clive has been up to his usual inconsistency – he now claims he will only consider current Internationals for the Lions squad (directly contradicting himself from just four months ago). This is almost certainly a result of pressure from the Home Unions – none of whom liked the idea that their incumbents could be sidelined as Clive took Jonno, Dayglo, Backy et al down to Kiwi land. You can be sure when it comes to it if the retired players stay fit and are available Clive will take them with him. The man is no stranger to hypocrisy after all.

Available being the operative word. J****'s the only one of real use. If Back's available he'll get pensioner discount on the airfare, and if he takes The Nose he's mad. But then we know he is.

quote: And I’d love to ask them why the unelected EU Commission thinks it can force a European Constitution on member states. It’s almost like they are trying to make the UK leave the EU as quickly as possible – telling a Brit he needs a European Constitution is as palatable to him as saying you want to sleep with his wife!

Well, if she's a looker, and she's not satisfied at home ...

That aside, I'll have to listen to the World Service tonight to see what you're talking about.

	29-10-2004 16:21									#390
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quote: Originally posted by ravagon Incidentally no-one even bothered to guess at the lightbulb thing. One to read the manual on how to change a lightbulb, Three to go out in search of a new lightbulb, Two to search the pubs for the three who got 'lost' on the way back, One to remove the old lightbulb, Two to put the lightbulb socket back in the ceiling afterwards, Three to fix the damage to the rest of the ceiling, One to realise that the lightbulb wasn't broken in the first place, One to read the manual on how to use a lightswitch,

Next?

quote: I predict that finbar will be an hour early on Monday.

And it'll still be 1975 where you are!