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smacksim
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Deputy Chairman of the Council of Lords of Gaia
Feb 2004
time: 00:36
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Apparently it is for me....
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Greetings, Lord Illuminatus!
I can give you a short answer on this one: no, the Data Angels are not in the possession of Biogenetics, so it can be part of a tech trade.
In case our proposal of IndAuto for a low level tech (like Biogenetics) and a unit of our choice (only units the Gaian Union already owns, mind you) is a bit hard to swallow, please let us know. We have quite a few other possibilities to offer in that case.
Also, a question. After some data processing it has come up that the speed at which the Union wishes to acquire Biogenetics indicates that the Gaian Lord of Progress has already decided on a beeline to Bio-engineering. May we know if this assumption has any ground?
This question is also asked for our preliminary setup of a joint research project. Our current project is also in an advanced state so it is wise to discuss agreements regarding this.
Regards,
InfoTrader GeoModder |
So I think they want a unit of their choice binTravkin. This is why I propose we offer both SL and rover + Biogenetics for IA. We have no other convenient units to give them and offering two might help end this diplo cycle so we can play the turn.
If I misread our diplomacy, so much the better....ie, problem solved. Now we need Illuminatus or Ouro to state our proposal and then get a response as soon as possible.
If anyone cares to anticipate their future offers and make plans, that would speed us along too.
Last edited by smacksim on 14-09-2004 at 13:58
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binTravkin
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Lord of Progress of the Council of Lords of Gaia
Jan 2004
time: 07:36
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I just got angry that the same thing that has been agreed is being talked over a thousand times and someone even gets angry that nothing is decided!
The DA stated:
Unit + Future tech is ok
We give:
SL + Future tech
CT, Ouro, Me, and you have agreeed, what else do we need???
SO just go on with sending the message and seeing if they agree (which they are most likely to do)
Our ambassador already got the orders..
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"We accept your suggestion of your choice of unit and a L1 tech for IA, with the following restriction: We will not turn over any naval unit or probe unit, and no units on our own continent.
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OK
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As a suggestion, We have a rover and SL on your continent. Please accept both of them and treat their crews well. If, on the other hand, you'd like a mindworm, that can be arranged, however, we will need some turns to bring such a creature to your continent.
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NOPE, only one(!!!) unit and we propose SL at first as Rover is more valuable, if they disagree, we give rover and evacuate SL or help them dealing with NL (FT)
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If this is an acceptable deal to you, let us know soon so that we may turn over these units to you on our turn and you may transmit IA to us on your turn. We have X years to complete our next research, at which time we will immediately send you the information on Biogenetics. It is not possible for us to research a higher level tech at this time."
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AOK except edition: "unit" in place of "units"
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smacksim
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Deputy Chairman of the Council of Lords of Gaia
Feb 2004
time: 00:36
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binTravkin, my suggestions for what to offer were not orders , though a dictatorship would be efficient. Rather, they were suggestions for how to state our message since Ouro asked for help.
As Illuminatus re-quotes and re-suggests, we need to sweeten the deal. I suggest offering two units and Biogen. Again, if I'm mistaken and you have some info that says they agree, then by all means report it and we can play the turn. Otherwise, let me suggest:
Illuminatus, in the interests of time, and being that you are online and Ouro is offline, I suggest that you contact the Angels Data-monger and 'sweeten' the deal as you see fit. Since you and Ouro have been our liasons so far, it would be best if the rest of us stayed back and let you do the communication. It won't be tragic if we miss finishing this deal this turn, but it would be great to get it 'in the bag', so much so that I think you should be liberal with your offer. Hell, I'd even say 'give them 3 units: rover, SL, and MW', but of course getting the MW to them will take some time. So feel free to add to the pot on our behalf.
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smacksim
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Deputy Chairman of the Council of Lords of Gaia
Feb 2004
time: 00:36
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I say, let's rent them the foil. It's not like we can fit a whole invasion on the thing, and neither can they. Their effective probe teams could go get more tech. Meanwhile we can finish exploring/probing the north.
Maybe rent out the foil for 10 years at a time. Since they seem to understand that it's a big deal, we should press this advantage. They even offer a commlink, which could be nice. I know how important the foil is, but it's a single very vulnerable unit. We are at the stage in the game where IODs start popping up all over the place, in which case it's sunk. By gaining an advantage now (commlink, IA) for the foil, we let the Angels take the risk of having it sunk with their units.
Further, as the foil is so darn far away, we will have a few turns to move it over to them. We can dropoff a probe on the northern continent, on the way (if it's even not landbridged to us, which it seems now to be). Finally, we should request safe passage for our rover/sl off their continent. Perhaps we can find out if there is a polar passage-way they wouldn't mind us taking.
So let's not discard this idea out of hand.
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binTravkin
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Lord of Progress of the Council of Lords of Gaia
Jan 2004
time: 07:36
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Lord Illuminatus,
This counter proposal is quite tempting I must say, and it opens vistas for our first future joint research project.
Am I correct in assuming then that a Spore Launcher, a Scout Rover and Biogenetics will become Angel property in return for Industrial Automation? Or are there even more Gaian scouts in the area then we know of at this moment.
Also, the presence of at least two Gaian scouts in our territory indicated that more then one Unity Foil is in your possession, therefore our vision that one easily could be shared with the Unions ' new friends.
As for the comlink, is this an inquiry for another negotiation, or is the Gaian Union thinking of renegotiating the earlier proposal?
Regards,
InfoTrader GeoModder |
1.Hey, they agree with us giving SL + Rover + BioGen!!
2.Also we must make them know that we only have 1 foil, so it's essential to our continued scouting efforts!
3.we must make them know that we have 2 scouts and both will be trasfered, thus leaving their conti without our presence, which I think is GREAT for them and automatically gives a guarantee that we wont be popping their pods!
4.Ask them for human commlink in list of priority (descending):
Morgan (he's powerful with those 3 SPs started)
Sparta
or AI (if they don't have any human commlink):
Uni (techtechtech)
Pks
and do not ask for Hive, as we're likely to get it on ourselves!
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Lord Illuminatus, is the Union at this point still eager to start negotiating again over Industrial Automation when we're so close to an agreement? |
We're just trying to make the best deal for both of our factions!
So, Illuminatus. talk to them another time and answer on their questions with sweet notices about all those cute things which they receive upon having both our scouts transfered!
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Illuminatus
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Salvaging Unity Fusion Core
Jul 2003
time: 06:36
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"GeoModder"Both my assumptions about the comlink?
Lord Illuminatus, is the Union at this point still eager to start negotiating again over Industrial Automation when we're so close to an agreement? 
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At the time, we thought you will turn down the offer. I do not see why would we need to start negotiating again, if we are so close to an agreement.
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But to ask a more specific question, which faction's comlink are of interest to the Gaian Union? If it is one we own, a new negotiation can be started of course.
Also, both proposals (the Industrial Automation exchange and the Joint Research Treaty) are proposed to the DataJacks as they are now, can you disclose to me how much time the Union has left before forwarding their Administration? Or does the Union not plan to transfer their scouts in current year? |
The sooner we agree about the trade, the faster we can transfer control of units. I do not see any reason why we couldn't transfer units this turn, unless you want otherwise. I must consult with the rest of High Council then. It is quite eager to hear if we ahve reached consensus about the trade. We can continue further discusiions then.
-Lord Administrator Illuminatus
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"GeoModder"Very well, under the assumption that under no circumstance the High Council is willing to exchange a Transport (or Unity) Foil and Biogenetics for Industrial Automation and a comlink the Data Angels can only settle for the Gaian proposal then. These are hard negotiations for free thinking minds as the Angels have it seems.
Again, the Gaian offer as it is now has been proposed to the DataJacks. If a majority agrees we will of course wish to receive the units proposed this year if possible, even if only for seeing a substantial part of the deal be done already.
Is there no further news on the deadline of Gaian turn or plans on when to forward it? As you may understand it is hard to decide if no-one is available for voting at this moment.
InfoTrader GeoModder |
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"Illuminatus"[quote]"GeoModder"Very well, under the assumption that under no circumstance the High Council is willing to exchange a Transport (or Unity) Foil and Biogenetics for Industrial Automation and a comlink the Data Angels can only settle for the Gaian proposal then. These are hard negotiations for free thinking minds as the Angels have it seems.
Again, the Gaian offer as it is now has been proposed to the DataJacks. If a majority agrees we will of course wish to receive the units proposed this year if possible, even if only for seeing a substantial part of the deal be done already.
Is there no further news on the deadline of Gaian turn or plans on when to forward it? As you may understand it is hard to decide if no-one is available for voting at this moment.
InfoTrader GeoModder |
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"GeoModder"Lord Illuminatus,
Please forward our thanks to the High Council for their patience. I can personally ensure you that news if the proposal is accepted, declined or decision postponed will be sent in time.
InfoTrader GeoModder |
Last edited by Illuminatus on 14-09-2004 at 18:35
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Ouro_827
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Alaska
Feb 2004
time: 20:36
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EDIT: Mispost
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14-09-2004 13:48
). They've already been let known that we have only two scouts.
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