19-09-2004 00:29									#211
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Given those choices, I say go with Doc: Mobility, because it makes the Angels happy, and if we can steal it from Yang, we get to switch to Social Psych. Applied Physics is also useful, but Progenitor Psych is pretty worthless at this point.

	19-09-2004 01:21									#212
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We should discuss longterm research plans later, when more Gaians are on. Perhaps a leap towards adaptive econmics can be made in 10-20 years with help of Angels?

	19-09-2004 01:22									#213
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I will be out for 24-30 hours, easily short enough to play the turn, but if you want to get it out sooner, I won't be here to do it.

	20-09-2004 12:45									#214
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Carefully chase Yang's rover, which ran away at the very end of the turn.

Rush crawlers as energy permits.

Our westernmost city will be growing soon and is a good candidate to produce a colony pod, even if we can't use it for a few turns. By that time, it can be in position. If we don't make a CP there soon, we'll have a doctor instead, and still may have one for a few turns.

The year when we can build the HGP is imminent, and will probably come before our other artifact gets home. The math:

1 HGP = 160 minerals now.
1 artifact = 50 minerals
5 probe gimps = 40 minerals
2 crawlers (in 2142, at latest) = 48 minerals
That leaves us a deficit of 22 minerals. We can cover that by sacrificing a probe team (12 minerals), using turns of production at the SP base (4 minerals each), and paying ECs (4 each). Therefore, we should have the HGP no later than 2143, if all goes well and it is still available.

No map for now - my internet connection is impaired and I am tired.

	21-09-2004 03:33									#215
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No harm in saving the other AA for a rainy day, if we don't need it now/no time. I'll try to put up some graphics from the end-turn save later if CT doesn't get to it. I haven't looked at it myself.

	21-09-2004 14:17									#216
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One note, if we are producing something, and ten minerals will not be accumlated- put it as secret project, and switch is to original production as it nears 10 minerals accumulated. I believe this is what Morgans are doing - well why don't we play that game to? Oh, and use AA if needed to complete a project - we should grab at least two secret projects.

	21-09-2004 17:14									#217
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We might get 2 projects...who knows? The Morgan thing could also have been to try and trigger the AI to build projects. They may be thinking of killing a soft neighbor, like Zak, and making University slaves. Not to mention picking up a free project in the conquered base. I don't know many players who know that strategy though....

	23-09-2004 09:20									#218
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Turn's in! I'll play it when I'm ready, sometime tomorrow (that is, less than 24 hours from now).

	23-09-2004 23:24									#219
	Plan of Action for 2139 Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

In 2139, we can rush supply crawlers at 3 bases within a turn's move of Gaia's Landing (including Gaia's Landing). We will then be able to contribute 72 minerals towards a SP from them, 50 from our artifact, and up to 40 more from Probe Gimps. This is enough to seize a 20-row SP, including the HGP, in 2140!

We can carefully chase down Yang with our probe team and two mind worms, and try to gain infiltration, if possible.

Our northwestern mind worm found fungus again, and so can make great strides exploring Yang's territory and harassing his units.

	24-09-2004 00:44									#220
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These are great news . If Morgan doesn't start it this year, we got HGP . Time for some expansion then. Also, we might try to break this fungus with foil - we should do it when foil has two movement points available to run off if IoD spotted. With any luck, even in that case, IoD will move north, to nearest base (Hive base should be in range of IoD). Why not move it NW in 2139, and then try to move north in 2140.

	27-09-2004 07:46									#221
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The turn's headed for us and only *one* comment on the turn??

	27-09-2004 12:27									#222
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We do have activity problems. I should try PMing some members.

	27-09-2004 21:45									#223
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So we've got HGP next turn?
DAMN good!

Orders:
I miss Smacsim's detailed maps, maybe one day he will teach me to make some of them too..

We must be quite careful chasing the rover - you can never know what the AI will brain out (it is much of random)

About MW in the far N - let him explore the fungus (and ONLY)

About foil - I understand it's moving to intercept AA...
So I have 2 questions - why isn't the AA guarded?
We risk losing it to NL..

Also I see 4 still impact pods to the N from Gaian lands..
We should make some effort in popping them - but maybe later, when we establish our next row of bases (after HGP)

I suggest we don't go for any more SP's right now.. till we hit the 2nd B-Drone limit..


And after all - I must say that the land to N seems quite empty after lot of the movement in the previous years..
It should get at least one scout (not SL)..

	28-09-2004 03:03									#224
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Turn's here! It'll be approximately 5 hours before I can play it. Last chance for opinions...

	28-09-2004 09:30									#225
	Plan of Action for 2140 Put an end to popups!

Build the HGP

Start other two bases on CPs

Move unity foil north through sea fungus, as explained in the annual report

Heal northwestern mind worm if no enemy units are spotted; else, kill them or retreat, depending on combat odds and numbers. The mind worm is vulnerable to Yang's rovers, but will be so unless we surround it with fungus and rocky terrain, in which case it's not good as a scout/skirmisher. By the way, Yang has the jungle (big surprise).

No map for now because I am tired and my internet connection is impaired at the moment.

	28-09-2004 12:46									#226
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Chaos, have you noticed that Morgan has started all early SPs (HGP, WP, ME). In case he completes them this turn, what should we do? If he completes HGP - build WP? If he builds HGP and WP go for VV? We should be prepared for possibility that Morgan is no longer bluffing, and he is in fact preparing to finish one SP in 2139.

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	28-09-2004 14:31									#227
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Then who has started the SPs?
Yang or Morgan?

I think our SP order should be:
1.HGP
2.WP
3.VW (that must be delayed until we get more SCs)

In case we can't take the first, take the second and so on..

	28-09-2004 16:40									#228
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Uh, Morgan started. I think we will be very interested in next turn. Seeing we started HGP they might rush build their own.

	28-09-2004 20:58									#229
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Yeah, Morgan started those SPs again, but that's not a lot of information. If Morgan completes the HGP by the time our turn comes around, I say grab the WP. If we rush the HGP and discover in 2141 that Morgan got the HGP first, I still say switch to the WP.

	30-09-2004 03:11									#230
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Hi all,

I'm back from a rather lengthy vacation from ACDG (still doing PBEM roleplaying in my spare time, though).

Anyway, it looks like you've made great progress. As to my opinions, I say build to the Gaian's strengths: efficiency, which means more bases before the dreaded bureaucracy warning. That means more bases, since with that we will have a long term production advantage in terms of raw production and production centers.

That does not mean giving up on CPs, or the juicy SP. It does mean don't be too greedy. For SPs, I like WP best, followed by HGP. ME is kind of worthless, in my humble opinion. For the price of an early SP you can have almost 7 bases. All in all, I'll take the six or seven bases (which give you a large turn advantage if you establish a few bases while you're otherwise building and SP).

I'm surprised the Angels have been friendly, but that is a good thing - for as long as it lasts. An aggressive defense (which it looks like you're doing) against Yang is a stellar idea until we can crank up the blitz.

Other things I like to do with my Gaians:

* 1-1-4 foil (eg - very cheap) to capture IoDs. This is wonderful if they happen to have friends on them! And early in the game absolutely nothing is a better explorer/warship/transport than an IoD. Plus, I like exploring. For me that is the fun part of the game. IoDs are also great when paired with a rover to pick off pods on the coast, and then running away back to the IoD if the results are bad, and getting goodies if it is good. This is a long term big advantage since other factions ignore the sea until late. Of course, this assumes you have Doct:Flex...

* Get a ratio of 1.5 formers per base, if you have decent production (eg - about 5/turn). This usually means bases that are size 1 or 2 get one, and 3+ get 1 or two. After a few CPs are out, get a former in the queue ASAP.

* Let Yang build some nice bases for us. Then after we have scouted a bit (which you’re doing) use some fungus to get a worm attack, then take the base. Don’t wait too long, though, or he’ll have hordes of troupers to counterattack. Probing is good, too. I’ve typically had poor luck with direct assaults by the time Yang gets plasma until I get missiles, though, so the window may be short.

I’ll poke around a bit more to get reacquainted with my Gaian buddies here, and will be happy to post my opinions as they congeal.

Hydro

	01-10-2004 15:00									#231
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Nice to see you Hydro.

	01-10-2004 21:31									#232
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Turn's in!
The Morganites built the HGP in 2139, meaning that we are two years too late. I say we grab the WP instead, but we still need to reconsider our production - supply crawlers or colony pods? I still say colony pods, as 12 bases with 1 useful worker each are still better than 6 bases with 2 useful workers + a crawler. Even so, we desperately need Social Psych.

I'll hold the turn for a bit to allow further comments.

	01-10-2004 22:38									#233
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I think you should play the turn now. My comments: Well, we got no choice except WP, since ME is pretty useless compared to other projects. We will be able to terraform faster, and build condensors/boreholes (we will probably need to poll again about use of boreholes?). Also, we are sure we will complete it . I would still prefer expansion, then supply crawlers.
What about units? Our NW worm is vulnerable, and there is a base radius at the east. There is fungus NW and W from it - perhaps we should move it west, it will be protected from wandering rovers from north and east by fungal patches, and probably from west too - then it would be able to heal in fungus. Since it is our only unit in Hive teritory, we should guard it - it will provide valuable scouting data and mess up with Yang. We already lost unit to Yang, I don't want to see more units lost pointlessly. We can even learn about Yang/Angel relations - if he moves units that way. Let's guard him.
Also, units on our north - we should be careful with that probe. I also suggest we cover it with unit or two. Infiltrating Yang should us usefull. I hope Unity Foil breaches the fungus successfully - then we can harass Yang with probes. In case you spot Hive units, you should perhaps make a midturn save, post it, and give us some time 8-12 hours for comment. We are at war, and we should carefully make moves with units, especially if we stumble upon units.
We can get Social Psych after Mobility, with any luck.

	03-10-2004 13:40									#234
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We will have the WP, but no HGP. I say we expand anyway and cope with more drones with doctors/police/small bases. With the WP, we can build condensor-farms, and put crawlers on them to support specialist bases in the moderate future. We still need recreation commons, as 1 EC/turn + 32 mins is a great deal for 2 workers, and the ability to recklessly ignore bureaucracy limits.

In a few turns, our foil will be in position to scout the periphery of Yang's empire, and we should be able to infiltrate and possibly conquer a base.

Terraforming options for the near future are still up in the air - without suggestions, I'm just doing whatever seems best with the formers that become available, which is making roads and forest for now.

No image due to limited connection, and the fact it hasn't changed much from the most recent image.

	03-10-2004 14:07									#235
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Well, let's hope that no Hive rover runs in our units, or mindworms. I suggested we move our mindworm west in deeper fungus before healing - I guess this was not listened to - Hive can easily pick him off now if they ran into it.
We should decide if we are going to go for infiltration with our probe in future, or risk a small chance and steal technology hoping it is Mobility (I estimate around 1:3 chances for that).
Perhaps we should start planning specialist bases already.

I strongly reccmmend we start sugggesting orders for formers. I will post list of formers needing orders in a half an hour.

	03-10-2004 14:34									#236
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We have two formers west of DoG that need new orders. Also one former NE from Virgin Soil (completed road). Two formers north of Virgin Soil shall complete forest in two turns. There is also a former in the far east - it seems our road connecting it to Greem River is complete. We should start plotting future base locations too.

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	03-10-2004 22:02									#237
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As far as probes, how about infilitration AND tech stealing? There are two in the area.

I didn't notice your comment about moving the mind worm, else I would have responded noting that the Hive is probably to the west as well, in any case, the mind worm survived the Hive's turn.

We definitely need to plan future base sites, but a few are apparent already:

The defungused tile in the Ruins

3+ spots in the Uranium Flats

	04-10-2004 14:20									#238
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I think boreholes are a NEED to us, otherwise we may lag behind badly and our increased terraform ability will aid the task greatly!

	04-10-2004 18:34									#239
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Boreholes aren't useful until Ecological Engineering (except on bonus tiles), because until then, they only produce 0-2-2.

	04-10-2004 18:49									#240
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quote: Boreholes aren't useful until Ecological Engineering (except on bonus tiles), because until then, they only produce 0-2-2.

Exactly, but to produce them takes time and if we got free and +50% former time, then we should use it for:

1.new base sites (probably planting sensor arrays+forests and eventually bunkers under bases - each of them give the related defense bonus to base and is indestructable when planted under base)

2.condensers

3.boreholes

But by the time we start building boreholes, I think we'll have the Eco Eng also..