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Originally posted by Caligastia
Ben's mistake was that he opened his argument by implying that the democrats and the commies were almost identical.
Obviously there are differences, but in the issues that matter to me most (taxation, immigration) they are very similar. |
Fair enough. There's overlap between any two parties' platforms. Hell, it wouldn't be hard to find areas of agreement between the Republicans and the Communists.
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Originally posted by Kontiki
Fair enough. There's overlap between any two parties' platforms. Hell, it wouldn't be hard to find areas of agreement between the Republicans and the Communists. |
Actions speak louder than words. The republicans say they are the party of limited government, meanwhile non-military govt spending has gone up more under 4 years of Bush than 8 years of Clinton. I'm sure the commies would approve.
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Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Caligastia
Actions speak louder than words. The republicans say they are the party of limited government, meanwhile non-military govt spending has gone up more under 4 years of Bush than 8 years of Clinton. I'm sure the commies would approve. |
Caligastia, I agree there is a major disconnect between what Nixon said and what he did. Ditto Reagan and now Bush. Nixon talked of limited government too. Yet he was a major Federalist, expanding Federal power enormously during his administration. Reagan talked balanced budgets even at a time he was increasing the deficit to humongus proportions. Bush, though, speaks of "compasionate conservatism," which signals a new willingness on behalf of Republicans to support new social programs. But he does so in a manner to allow the most freedom of the individual that he can.
On the contrary, Clinton spoke like a Northern Liberal, but acted like a Southern Democrat. He reduced the deficit and eventually balanced the budget. He reduced the size of the Federal government and supported free trade.
On balance, it appears that Republicans have been the true liberals despite their rhetoric to the contrary.
But note, John Kerry is not a Southern Democrat.
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Caligastia
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Originally posted by Ned
Caligastia, I agree there is a major disconnect between what Nixon said and what he did. Ditto Reagan and now Bush. Nixon talked of limited government too. Yet he was a major Federalist, expanding Federal power enormously during his administration. Reagan talked balanced budgets even at a time he was increasing the deficit to humongus proportions. Bush, though, speaks of "compasionate conservatism," which signals a new willingness on behalf of Republicans to support new social programs. But he does so in a manner to allow the most freedom of the individual that he can.
On the contrary, Clinton spoke like a Northern Liberal, but acted like a Southern Democrat. He reduced the deficit and eventually balanced the budget. He reduced the size of the Federal government and supported free trade.
On balance, it appears that Republicans have been the true liberals despite their rhetoric to the contrary.
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I think their occupation of both the White house and the Congress has led to this. For some reason Bush has felt the need to pander to liberals, and the Republican congress has gone along with him simply because he is a Republican. The reason things were more sensible under Clinton was because he had to contend with a Republican congress that actually acted like Republicans.
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Ned
Most of her recent column is on Rathergate, but she ends on this note, which identifies why CBS screwed up and why Cronkite was critical to America losing the Vietnam war.
"The Swift Boat Veterans for Truth show the role of the individual in history. It wasn't Republican strategists who finished Kerry off two months before the election; it was the American people. The Swift Boat veterans came along and kicked Kerry in the shins and no matter how much heat they took, they were brave and wouldn't give up. The veterans who served with Kerry told the truth and the American people listened (as soon as they managed to locate a copy of "Unfit for Command" hidden on one of the back shelves at their local bookstores).
CBS was forced to run a fake story so early in the campaign that it was exposed as a fraud – only because of the Swift Boat vets. These brave men, many of them decorated war heroes, have now not only won the election for Bush, they have ended Dan Rather's career.
It's often said that we never lost a battle in Vietnam, but that the war was lost at home by a seditious media demoralizing the American people. Ironically, the leader of that effort was Rather's predecessor at CBS News, Walter Cronkite, president of the Ho Chi Minh Admiration Society.
It was Cronkite who went on air and lied about the Tet offensive, claiming it was a defeat for the Americans. He told the American people the war was over and we had lost. Ronald Reagan said CBS News officials should have been tried for treason for those broadcasts.
CBS has already lost one war for America. The Swift Boat Vets weren't going to let CBS lose another one."
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Kontiki
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Canada
Aug 2001
time: 00:22
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Where do I say that they are the same |
Try reading my last post. It's now the second time I've quoted you. I don't feel like doing it a third.
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or that all people who agree with abortion are communists |
That part was a joke, Ben, stemming from the fact that after I pointed out the differences in their platforms, you immediatedly turned it to "they agree on abortion and gay marriage" (which I really don't see either).
Am I talking to a little child here?
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
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He didn't say we couldn't win. He said, "I thought we were supposed to be winning this thing." In other words, he was calling the government on their lie, which is what responsible journalists should do. The alternative, which is proposed by conservatives, is to have a media which is slavish to the right wing, and only questions the government when someone besides them is in charge, and then only on unimportant personal questions.
Cronkite said that during the Tet Offensive. Other things that also occured in 1968 which had an influence on student activism: Prague Spring, Mai 68, the Summer bombing offensive, the election campaign, the fact that the U.S. occupation of S. Vietnam reached its height.
Blaiming Cronkite is simply shooting the messenger. Cronkite was an honest man doing his job. Too bad we don't have more people like him in the media anymore. Hell, even one would be nice.
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Joseph
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Ca. USA
Feb 2000
time: 21:22
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Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
did we "win"
I am speaking of The Military Conflict or "Police Action"
Did we win?
No
What exactly did we "accomplish"?
He stated what he felt and what many others did as well
I, for the record, am a veteran..
I have my opinions, because i am a former Military member give me what kind of credence to add to my opinions?
i say this because some people "hide behind" a "shield"
(Like our current Political Fiasco)
I would say that I think Walter Cronkite is a very respected authority on many things...
I am certainly not though
nor are you or anyone out here?
i say that because whom here can judge who is and is not an authority?
Peace
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In case you missed it, I to I'm a military vetern, and I work for the US Navy with a total time of 33/4/6.
I listed my opinions and I saw on the new what happen in this Country after he said we could not win.
When people in his position say thing, other people listen and then act on what they have heard. Sometimes its good and sometimes it bad.
Take Kennedy, some say that he was going to pull the troops out on Nam and he was going to tell the nation the day after he was shot. But he was shot, so we will never know what he was going to do.
If your uncle was alived in 1783 and saw Washington loose all of those battle, and then told the Nation that we could not win, we would still be a British Colony.
Che, he did say "we could not win". I saw the show.
Gramps, for the record, my son is 11 months and 22 days older than you, if your birthdate is Dec 69.
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I owe..I owe..it's off to work I go
Jul 2000
time: 00:22
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Originally posted by Joseph
In case you missed it, I to I'm a military vetern, and I work for the US Navy with a total time of 33/4/6.
I listed my opinions and I saw on the new what happen in this Country after he said we could not win.
When people in his position say thing, other people listen and then act on what they have heard. Sometimes its good and sometimes it bad.
Take Kennedy, some say that he was going to pull the troops out on Nam and he was going to tell the nation the day after he was shot. But he was shot, so we will never know what he was going to do.
If your uncle was alived in 1783 and saw Washington loose all of those battle, and then told the Nation that we could not win, we would still be a British Colony.
Che, he did say "we could not win". I saw the show.
Gramps, for the record, my son is 11 months and 22 days older than you, if your birthdate is Dec 69. |
well ya cant believe everything you read now can you?
what the frick does your son being that old or young have to do with opinion or the price of tea in China?
Juuuuusssstttttt asking is all
Ok..I did not question nor do I give a flip if you were or were not in the military..
I am glad you did/ are currently serving
Oh and i wasnt in the 1700's so i could tell ya if Uncle Walt was
Ok peace out
Oh and for the record..
I think its a friggin shame that we in America put our troops in harms way for countries that could care less
I am also ashamed of the way America treated its Veterans when they were not doing "Political" work but "military" work
throwing dogpoop at returning soldiers is not my idea of supporting troops
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If Democrats were communists, there'd be no seperate communist organizations. Dems believe in capitalism, we don't. End of debate.
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