23-12-2004 19:41									#271
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Sorry. IIRC I hadn't read an officially supported proposal for a possible compensation (though I admit due to being tired I had only quickly browsed through the posts before writing a message based on them) , and since the Angels turnplaying time was running out and no other Spartan seemed online IIRC, there wasn't time to further discuss what we could officially ask. I did include a request to be paid by credits (as Snoddasmannen suggested), but that option wasn't pursued I see due to Angel lack of credits.

You agreed that they should compensate, didn't you? So did Snoddasmannen IIRC. And so did I.

Anyway, I guess it's too late now.

	30-12-2004 05:29									#272
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Hmm, it'd be nice to hear a confirmation from the Angels they have switched to IntInt.

	30-12-2004 06:10									#273
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No harm in asking. I sent this PM to Mart:

quote: Content of a Private Message from Googlie to Mart Mart: Some in the Junta are gettting antsy - can you confirm in the Embassy whether you have switched to Int Int this year, and is there an estimated research-completion date? Googlie

	30-12-2004 06:27									#274
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie We're backtracking the Invincible (down south by Gaian lands) to pop that pod, then we're sending her round the southern coast of LaLaland where it'll sail up the channel between Lal and the Angels

Why don't we send the Invincible up the Gaian coastline again to pop that pod we left there, then make for a PK base for a turn to heal completely? (Pactmate) Then with its full mps restored it can mosey down the PK western coast and round the southern tip to get to the Angels homeland?

	30-12-2004 15:26									#275
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Sounds like a plan to me!
And by the way, the Gaians get for their uncreative use of landmarks. "Placeholder 6"?? Ok I see the purpose of it, but come on, you can do better than that Gaia

	30-12-2004 16:12									#276
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Go get those pods. Healing the ship is a good idea too.

	30-12-2004 18:47									#277
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen Sounds like a plan to me! And by the way, the Gaians get for their uncreative use of landmarks. "Placeholder 6"?? Ok I see the purpose of it, but come on, you can do better than that Gaia

Yes. Maybe we should also send them a note saying "it isn't a landbridge, actually".

	30-12-2004 20:04									#278
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie What delay? To devil's advocate for a moment, they were going to change to Int Int if they could, then set their sliders at 90% economy and 10% psych with zero labs and deliver Int Int to us in 2201. We get it now in 2171. What delay?

So how prescient was that?

they have replied:

quote: Posted in the Embassy by IT Mart Spartan-Angel Embassy, MY 2154 To Spartan Federation, We confirm that we received Optical Computers technology and our current research effort has been redirected to Intellectual Integrity. As for the expected year of completion I have only very rough estimate. Our current research cost is 496, and due to social settings laboratories contribute only 17 points per turn. We direct however 40% of economy towards psych, and only 30% towards labs, since we suffer drone problems. It is necessary to maintain workers in the field rather than doctors. With completion of several network nodes we expect to increase lab share in economy, as well as population of workers bringing more energy to our bases when children creches are completed. My very rough and objective estimate would be thus around 2166-2170. This is however very inacurate. IT Mart

	30-12-2004 20:35									#279
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Oh man what a disaster ... I guess this'll teach us not to make deals which are not well specified ... I'd love some infiltration on them to see if they're even telling the truth.

	30-12-2004 21:32									#280
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I believe them

They don't have any rec commons (only getting Social Psych from us 2 turns ago) so they are going to have the same kind of drone problems that we are having - but we can solve ours with units given our police rating.

The Angels are -1 Police, so don't have that luxury.

They are on a building binge with network nodes (with the Virtual World that gives them the equivalent of a holotheater, which reduces # drones at that base by 2 as well as giving that base a 50% boost in psych output.)

So right now, given that they need the minerals to build the NN's, they have to have their psych setting cranked right up, which means skimping on research.

They'll get a boost in research when an NN's comes on line, but they can't really change their slider allocations 'cos that would just create drone problems at the bases without NN's

But getting it from them is still faster than researching it ourselves - and without the givaways in techs that it'd have needed for Morgan to do it for us.

We'll just have to keep Yang sweet while we wait for it

	30-12-2004 21:51									#281
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie So how prescient was that?

Are you a Voodoo priest or something? Pretty awesome guess.

	30-12-2004 21:53									#282
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Naw - just the head of CRYPTEIA

	30-12-2004 22:16									#283
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Ok let's choose to believe them, you're probably right. But you have to admit there's a small chance they're lying through their teeth. *paranoid*

	01-01-2005 01:43									#284
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Do we owe the Angels any reply?

(such as "We're disappointed it's going to take so long to get Int Int, but, yes, we do understand. We ourselves have an abysmal research rate due to our running 'Fundy'.

"But we do have a bushelful of technologies acquired by various means, and while we realize that your cash is at a premium for internal building programs, might you be interested in purchasing any techs from us?"

(I was thinking mainly of Ecol Eng, which Morgan gets next year. By then everyone except the Angels and Gaians will have it, and we should try to make some money off it before Morgan meets the Angels)

These 6 below are the techs we have that they don't yet possess:

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	10-02-2005 03:50									#285
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I posted a confirmation for the Angels that the tech trade is a go. I'd prefer if one of our Colonels were to continue organizing it with the Angels from now on, since I have, well, no idea about it.

Also a bump since fishing this thread out for the embassy address is somewhat bothersome.

	10-02-2005 20:01									#286
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We and the Angels are the only 2 factions possessing all the others' commlinks.

Interestingly, if elections were called right now, there would be 3 candidates: Hive (81 votes), Peacekeepers (44) and Sparta (also 44). Morgan doesn't even figure!!

If we're ahead of Lal at the start of 2160, it'd be worth calling an election before we launch the raid - Zak and lal would vote for us (and giving up some techs to the Angels and Gaians to buy their votes) as then we'd have enough to overtake a Hive-Morgan bloc. Of course the additional commerce income would be zilch ('cos of our base-obliteration atrocity) but we would have 20 years infiltration on everybody.

Hive: 81
PK's: 44
Sparta: 44
Morgan: 42
Angels: 28
Gaians: 22
UoP: 3

	12-02-2005 02:10									#287
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie We and the Angels are the only 2 factions possessing all the others' commlinks.

I was surprised when I read this, so I just checked it:
The Angels still don't have the University and PK commlinks, and Morgan still doesn't have the Gaian one. It may only be a matter of time of course.

	12-02-2005 07:00									#288
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Ah yes - I fell for the old trick of just hitting "Offer all techs" (and the screen ran out of room to show the commlinks still held by us and not by them) instead of "share techs"

	14-02-2005 19:30									#289
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We shouldn't forget to give the Angels the news on the Gaian issue.

	14-02-2005 21:17									#290
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Done.

	16-02-2005 03:46									#291
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And a reply there from I T Mart:

quote: Posted in the Embassy by IT Mart It is not a good turn out of events. I hope your relations with the Gaian Union will not worsen. We really lacked enough cooperation on that agreement. However, I can see that little could be done from our side apart from maybe warning Gaians that some safety margin of mission years might be considered. This would be, though, seen probably as impolite by Gaian Lords. Let's hope we will do better on the next one. In this case we will complete Intellectual Integrity of course. Regarding estimated time of completion of this technology, as you may know, there is recent increased activity of the primary star, due to which we will have very large amount of energy soon. As previously the estimate was 2166-67, now my guess is 2164-65.

Which begs the question - should we delay cashing in our AA at Rio Grande until after we have Int Int from the Angels (and Field Modulation from the Hive) in order to try and pop Doc Air or Fusion Power?

	16-02-2005 20:51									#292
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Done.

Looks great.

Looking ahead a few days, to try and prevent early bloc forming against us, and the Angels canceling our trade because of our atrocity, may I suggest sending a message like this to the Angels, after a successful PTS raid?

TOP SECRET – TOP SECRET

Confidential memorandum from the Spartan Junta to the Data Angels
Re: the raid on Morgan Industries and the Planetary Transit System

No doubt you have heard word of our pro-active defense operation against the Corporation. As we hold the Spartan-Angel relations in the highest regard, we would like to offer you some more insight in the reasons driving our action.

While our recent operation “Armageddon” may seem a sign of our formidable strength, and will given enough bravado hopefully lure the Corporation into thinking a massive invasion is imminent, it is in fact a sign of our weakness. After all, if we had the choice, we would rather capture and hold the Planetary Transit System, than destroy it. But we couldn’t. Terrapeso is choke full of synthmetal armoured probe defences. If we’d dare set permanent foot on Terrapeso by capturing a base, which by itself would be a relatively easy task for us, in their turn we’d be swarmed by Morganite probes from all directions, and the base with all our units in it would be mindcontrolled back to Corporate control.

That’s why we have instead chosen for a limited operation, a swift blow with as goal to maximize the economic damage to the Corporation, to reduce their economic superiority over us, and then retreat as soon as possible. If possible at least… For the chances are very high that this endeavour will end as a kamikaze operation, and that many of our brave soldiers will never see back their husbands, wives and children.

We hope you now understand why we had to do what we did, and that we can count on your support to seek revenge for the injustices the Corporation has committed against us.

Greetings from the Junta

TOP SECRET – TOP SECRETdestroy after reading

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	16-02-2005 21:51									#293
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I like the idea... we should also point out that surgical strike such as ours is certainly much more preferable over a full-blown war that would cost more lives on both sides.

	20-02-2005 17:42									#294
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I have posted Maniac's "Top secret" thingus in the diplo forum.

	22-02-2005 04:43									#295
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Geo has responded, far friendlier than I would have expected! Could be a very bad thing though.

quote: This message to notify the reception of the message. The Data Angels mourn the dead of so many innocent people which ceased to exist as the result of this raid, Morgan or Spartan alike. While received injustice is never a thing to be happy about, the response looked rather excessive and harsh from our point of view. IT GeoModder

	22-02-2005 04:46									#296
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The very 'Book of Sorrow' initative in itself was rather harrowing as far as responses go - their RPing stance is simply forcing their hands, even though we have practically rescued them.

	22-02-2005 13:24									#297
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia The very 'Book of Sorrow' initative in itself was rather harrowing as far as responses go - their RPing stance is simply forcing their hands, even though we have practically rescued them.

Yeah. Both the Angels and the Gaians are the real winners here. The raid was very expensive for us, and hideously expensive for the Morgans.

Check out this reply from mart7x5 in The Book of Sorrows, in response to Googlies post on Ironholm:

quote: In this case, it is humanitarian behaviour. If the destruction of the Morganities base together with the Planetary Transit System did not lead to massive loss of lives, but the inhabitants of this base were relocated and their lives spared, it should be noted here. I wonder though, how ex-Morganities citizens will stand Spartan living standards.

(emphasis added)

I bet that the Angels will fulfill their obligations with regard to the IntInt deal, any takers?

	22-02-2005 18:27									#298
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Yep, currently it looks like the current expressions of sympathy with the Morganite victims are mainly roleplaying. And they can still laugh about the matter if we use some humour (eg the Snoddasmannen Doctrine and Googlie's post about founding Ironholm )

	22-02-2005 19:25									#299
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Yes, the Angels seem calm enough. But nothing certain about the Gaians yet.

	26-02-2005 05:54									#300
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quote: Colonel Kasiopeia, please submit this message to the Spartan Central Command. To Spartan Federation, After the research adjustments undertaken within our faction we would like to inform you that our expected time of research breakthrough in Intellectual Integrity is expected in MY 2164. The same year this technology will be transferred to you.

Good news, as far as their stance is concerned - they don't seem to have vendetta in their minds for another three years - so far, so good.

Now we'll see how soon the Morganites will be able to come up with the CDF.