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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
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So what? |
That's the spirit
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Tingkai
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To find the Northwest Passage
Aug 2001
time: 13:21
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Crouching Tiger made it to a theater near me. Any decent foreign film (ie that audiences actually like to see) will succeed here. |
That was just an okay movie from an HK perspesctive, something specifically designe dor American audiences.
If you want to see a good HK movie, try Shaolin Soccer.
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Geronimo
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st cloud USA
Jan 1970
time: 05:21
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Cultural steamrolling, doofus. Free market does not always result in the customer truly having the choice.
How is a Vietnamese with $500,000 to make a film is supposed to rival Spielberg superproduction? if his government doesn't support him he will just die. |
How about by hiring local actors instead of grossly overpaid hollywood superstar spoiled brats?
Even believable special effects are becoming cheaper and cheaper by the year. There is no reason that he could not compete in a wide variety of genres without making another Waterworld or other obnoxiously overpriced excuse for a movie.
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Once in a brown moon
Aug 2001
time: 00:21
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Originally posted by Sprayber
ive seen plenty of foreign stuff. some of it I like and some of it is ****. just like American films. Where are the large French movie companies?
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Good. These movies are usually very difficult to see outside of independant cinemas in large urban areas. To my knowledge, and that's probably the same in America, there are in Quebec 4 independant theaters for a population of 7,5 millions, while crap like Star Wars can be seen in over 200 theaters.
Some people just assume that a little bit more of balance would be better for the world. More diversity, more wealth of though, more artistic freedom. The market won't do it, so we're asking the government to.
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I am not going to feel sorry just because people in other countries can't resist the urge to see American films or eat American food. And I'm especially not going to pay attention to someone like Chirac who is far less concerned about the native cultures of the world than missing an opportunity to say something negative about the US. |
One has to wonder if the masses make culture or culture makes the masses before assessing such things.
When the question has been answered, and no doubt that the answer is obvious  , then a government can think about how influencing culture in a way that the market won't can benefit national values or interest, usually determined by a Constitution or some sort of cultural charter (we've got one in Quebec).
No one is asking you to feel sorry for anyone, but rather to accept that some nations want to protect culture and refuse to see it as a consumer good. Chirac may be old fashioned and whiny, but I doubt that he's directly targeting America. He's just dreaming of a multilateral word where an Europe with France as a leader has its say, and in this case the issue was about cultural diversity. However you may question his motives and his positions on other issues, it remains that his stance on this specific one is hardly contestable.
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Dixie
Oct 2000
time: 23:21
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Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Good. These movies are usually very difficult to see outside of independant cinemas in large urban areas. To my knowledge, and that's probably the same in America, there are in Quebec 4 independant theaters for a population of 7,5 millions, while crap like Star Wars can be seen in over 200 theaters. |
It may be crap to you but apparently there were a lot of people that disagreed with you.
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Some people just assume that a little bit more of balance would be better for the world. More diversity, more wealth of though, more artistic freedom. The market won't do it, so we're asking the government to. |
You can't force diversity.
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No one is asking you to feel sorry for anyone, but rather to accept that some nations want to protect culture and refuse to see it as a consumer good. Chirac may be old fashioned and whiny, but I doubt that he's directly targeting America. He's just dreaming of a multilateral word where an Europe with France as a leader has its say, and in this case the issue was about cultural diversity. However you may question his motives and his positions on other issues, it remains that his stance on this specific one is hardly contestable. |
the question is would he be so concerned about vietnamese or any other culture if they were watching French films, speaking french or consuming french culture?
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Oncle Boris
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Once in a brown moon
Aug 2001
time: 00:21
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Originally posted by Sprayber
It may be crap to you but apparently there were a lot of people that disagreed with you.
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The point was not about crap, but rather showing that Hollywood's big money is having a detrimental effect on the choice of the consumer by telling you example numbers.
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You can't force diversity.
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Coercion would indeed be a questionable thing to do, but almost every country regulates culture, how much national content has to be shown on TV, what should be the official languages, etc, and of course subsidizes local culture. This is about giving in the end more choice to the consumer, who can as well decide to do what he wants to.
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the question is would he be so concerned about vietnamese or any other culture if they were watching French films, speaking french or consuming french culture? |
He probably wouldn't, but this isn't a strong argument, as it would apply to any person with a 'Conservative' mindset. If Chirac was in Bush's seat he would be acting like Bush, and if Bush was in Chirac's seat he would be acting like him (but in a more idiotic way anyway), just like those who become Muslim fundies in Saudi Arabia would probably be Christian fundies if they were born in Texas.
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Kickball Capital of the World
Jan 1970
time: 00:21
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but truly Canadian productions face the same problems that others do |
It's the same problem that independent filmakers face in all countries. But if your stuff is good, it gets shown. A digital camera with 24 fps capability costs $3,000. A computer fast enough to edit it all costs $2,000. Even these kinds of low budget movies are shown, and if good, will get a bigger stage.
When you say "truly Canadian", I interpret it to mean "it sucks, and nobody wants to watch it, but we've got to support it anyway, because it's Canadian."
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The general public in America doesn't want subtitles. |
Good stuff gets shown here, whether there are subtitles on it or not. There are lots of arthouse cinemas (even in a multiplex format, like Landmark Cinemas) and it makes no sense for them to not show as good of stuff as they can.
Listen, Americans aren't too proud to watch quality Quebecois stuff. The Cirque de Soleil owns the US.
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09-10-2004 00:15
so when people are born they adopt a culture from scratch? One may be left wondering why there aren't more Christians in Japan and more Buddhists in America.
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