11-12-2004 02:53									#121
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Yes the screenies should not make much difference to Lego, only to ND and maybe Vox.

	11-12-2004 02:55									#122
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In that case, I'll rather change it. Just in case Lego has a sub lurking near, and wants to attack us, it's the most fiar, I think.

What about the rest, do we need any more or not? I'm kind of saving Aeson's corrections for the comments thread... but I'm not sure yet how to include them.

DeepO

	11-12-2004 02:57									#123
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ND is going to receive the map from GoW... and as we send them ours, the whole world is now known to everyone.

I don't think they will have any problem with it.

Vox... Hmm... maybe we better wait with the scrrenshots until after they played their turn. Lego did the same, so I don't see any reason we couldn't do it.

DeepO

	11-12-2004 03:20									#124
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I didn't mean for the suggestions I made to be posted. Just using them as basic examples of the types of points to make.

	11-12-2004 03:24									#125
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Can you make that the Second battle of Fort Stanwick?

	11-12-2004 03:35									#126
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We are going to have at least 5 Battles at Fort Stanwick if GoW don't break through, though...It could get slightly messy...

	11-12-2004 03:41									#127
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I would like to send this to vondrack

quote: A message smuggled on a dolphin Greetings friend. Were that it could be otherwise that I send this message with faint hope that it get through. Though our two nations are now at war, I find myself with a curious detachment after a lengthy period in retirement. I feel little fire for the fight as things stand. Perhaps then it is best for my nation that the task of fighting has fallen to others. I feel that you must suffer a heavier burden, and for that I salute you. However, my detachment has not numbed me to the news I recently received of grievous destruction in your fair land. I do not plead innocence. I do not ask for forgiveness. I will live with the fate my nation finds in this world of deceit and bloodshed. I do however offer what comfort I can as I regret that these events have come to pass between your fair land and mine. You have been a true friend to me, and so in this that must be a very dark hour for you, I wish you to know that... Words are not enough to salve the wounds. Let me simply say that I am sorry that these things have come to pass. I am sure that your nation is not finished. Rumours abound of large armies still intact. The purpose of this missive is not to stay your hand, it is simply to send a message to a friend that your recent loss is not mourned only in Legoland, but is shared abroad. Your brother in arms nye

	11-12-2004 03:41									#128
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officially, it's the first, CH... the fort was only created after the last battle occurred.

Aeson, I know you didn't intend to actually use your suggestions, but you know as well that when it comes to finesses, your English is a lot more sofisticated than mine.

I think that, if we do the combination of the quick, personal message to Vondrack / Legoland, and the battle report, we should be fine for the moment. Comments: we'll see how it goes. I've got no problems in being open, but only if this does not become a heated discussion, or mud slinging.

DeepO

	11-12-2004 03:43									#129
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nye, I've got no problems with that whatsoever, but I hope you intend to send it after we get Vond up to speed. He officially doesn't know anything yet...

DeepO

	11-12-2004 03:45									#130
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quote: Originally posted by Krill We are going to have at least 5 Battles at Fort Stanwick if GoW don't break through, though...It could get slightly messy...

Well, there were 3 Ypres, and that didn't get anywhere either.

{EDIT - by either, I mean hypothetically if there were several turns of combat over that tile it'd be right to have multiple battle names. I think Lego called it the 1st Battle of Fort Stanwick, for their turn. Now it's 5 years later.}

	11-12-2004 03:46									#131
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I was thinking this would ease him (and the rest of his team) into it.

	11-12-2004 03:47									#132
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quote: I've got no problems in being open, but only if this does not become a heated discussion, or mud slinging.

If it does come to flaming/mud slinging, no one but DeepO should post anything in public. I doubt anything will happen (IMHO) but it is better to be safe than to be sorry.

	11-12-2004 03:51									#133
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I'm not sure, nye. I mean, I like the compasion (btw, you're not the only one feeling this), but it is very dark, without actually saying what happened. I wouldn't mind at all that you go the whole length at once, also giving them the news that they lost their capital.

This seems a bit of a friend comforting another friend, after he has gotten bad news. If someone would send me something like that, it wouldn't ease me into anything, I would worry even more. Maybe that's just me, though.

DeepO

	11-12-2004 03:53									#134
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No, DeepO, I would feel exactly the same.

NYE, could you send that report after we post the battle reports? maybe half an hour after, too give the enormity of it a chance to sink in...

	11-12-2004 03:55									#135
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well, or send it immediately after an official private communication.... that also makes sense. It can't hurt to let them know that more people are thinking of the emotional consequences...

DeepO

	11-12-2004 04:03									#136
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OK. Since you two both agree that it would not be good to be received first, I will send it after the official communication.

	11-12-2004 04:05									#137
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so, let's hear it about the official communication... at least 6 others have read it, and nobody commented... does that mean it's safe to send on?

DeepO

	11-12-2004 04:10									#138
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I'm in favour of the battle report only.

We're not going to taunt Lego like GoW and ND did to us over their victories, rubbing it gleefully in our faces. Likewise, we might consider refraining from a 'positive' therapeutic approach, and I'm sure Vondrack is old enough and tough enough to take the facts on the chin. He knows what kind of a game he's in, and attempts to wrap the facts in cotton wool might not make him and his team feel any better about it. It might just be annoying.

We'll have plenty of warm friendly things to say in any ensuing discussion, but I think it should be in response, rather than up-front.

	11-12-2004 04:10									#139
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I can't improve it with out making it increase in size by a factor of 6, so I think that it is best to go with your short and sweet version, DeepO, if we do go with a heads up.


Personally, though, I would rather not send it if it were so short. What if we were to post your version at the head of the battle report instead?

	11-12-2004 04:13									#140
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Sorry, DeepO, I'm trying to find it - which page is it on?

	11-12-2004 04:14									#141
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quote: Dear Legoland, this is a time of both joy and grief for us. We thought we should give you a heads up, before we make anything public.... Legopolis has fallen. More details will be unveiled later, but we just wanted to let you guys know that we feel for your loss, even if we were responsible. We know how much time you invested in building, what we un-builded in one turn time.

If I am not mistaken, and there is every chance that I am, but isn't this the note that we would be sending to Lego?






My propsed alteration, instead of the private heads up PM:

quote: This is a time of both joy and grief for us. We thought we should give you a heads up, before we make anything public.... Legopolis has fallen. More details will be unveiled later, but we just wanted to let you guys know that we feel for your loss, even if we were responsible. We know how much time you invested in building, what we un-builded in one turn time. Battle report turn 244: 1270 AD 1. DD stumbles into sub at Abilene 4444788 (name unknown). DD promotes to 3/5. ( I think this should be changed to DD 1/4 instead. I know it promoted, I'm sure I didn't see any ghosts, but somehow the end result was a 1/4 DD, and no 3/5 DD.) Operation Watergrogged. 2. art bombs 5/5 BB Tipperary (or Karina? only looked after bombing). failed. 3. art bombs 5/5 BB Tipperary (or Karina). Tipperary 4/5 4. fighter bombs BB Jackson. Fighter fails. 5. 2/4 DD attacks BB Jackson. 2/4 DD destroyed. Jackson promoted to 2/5. 6. art bombs 4/5 BB Karina. Karina 2/5. 7. art bombs 4/5 Tipperary. fails 8. art bombs 4/5 Tiperrary. fails 9. art bombs 4/5 Tipperary. Tipperary 3/5 10. art bombs 3/5 Tipperary. Tipperary 2/5 11. art bombs 2/5 Karina. Karina 1/5. 12. transport attacks 2/5 BB Jackson. counter bombardment failed. Transport destroyed. Jackson 1/5 13. transport attacks 2/5 BB Tipperary. counter bombardment hits. Transport destroyed. Tipperary 2/5 14. transports attack 2/5 BB Tipperary. Transport destroyed. Tipperary 2/5. 15. transports attack 2/5 BB Tipperary. Transport destroyed. Tipperary 2/5. 16. transports attack 2/5 BB Tipperary. Transport destroyed. Tipperary 2/5. 17. Transport attacks 2/5 BB Tipperary. Tipperary sunk. Transport promotes to 3/5 18. Transport attacks 1/5 BB Karina. Transport destroyed. Karina 1/5. 19. Transport attacks 1/5 BB Karina. Karina sunk. Transport 1/4. 20. Transport attacks 1/5 BB Jackson. Jackson sunk. Transport 1/4. watergrogged totals: 9 bombardments, 5 hits totalling 6 hp. 10 attacks. 1 DD and 6 transports lost. Lego lost 3 BB. 21. Marine attacks Quanto Mechanico. 2/4 BB sunk. Bomber destroyed. Quanto Mechanico taken. 22. Marine captures explorer (1st sappers) at Quanto Mechanico 3. 23. Marine captures explorer (2nd sappers) at Quanto Mechanico 33. 24. Marine captures 3 workers (Ann was one of them, I think) at Quanto Mechanico 1. 25. Quanto Mechanico abandoned. We lost 2 transports (3/5 and 1/4). Resistance ends. 26. New city created "Quanto 6" 27. Tank captures Nou Camp. 28. Tank captures Sandonorico 29. Tank captures Karina. (forbidden palace desroyed?) 30. Tank captures Oasis. 31. Abandoned Oasis. Resitance ends 32. New city built: Oasis 8. 33. Tank captures Farmerville. 34. Tank captures Forkmouth. 35. Farmerville abandoned. Resistance ends. 36. New city built, "Farmer 8". 37. Tank captures Red Bricks. We control the Sistine Chapel. 38. Tank captures Tarzania. 39. Red Bricks abandoned. Resistance ends 40. New city built, "Red Bricks 8" 41. Tank captures Legopolis. Fighter destroyed. Smith's Trading company controlled. Bach's Cathedral controlled. The (first) battle for Fort Stanwix 42. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment fails. Inf killed. Tank 3/4. 43. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment fails. Inf killed. Tank 3/4. 44. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment hits. Tank killed. Inf 1/4. 45. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment hits. Tank retreats (1/4), inf 4/4. 46. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment hits. Tank destroyed, inf 1/4. 47. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment hits. Tank retreats (1/4). Inf 4/4. 48. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment hits. Tank destroyed. Inf promotes to 2/5. 49. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment hits. Tank destroyed. Inf 4/4. 50. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment fails. Inf killed, tank 3/4. 51. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment hits. Inf killed. Tank 3/4. 52. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment hits. Tank destroyed. Inf 2/4. 53. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment hits. Tank retreats (1/4). Inf 2/4. 54. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment hits. Tank destroyed. Inf promotes to 4/5. 55. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment fails. Inf killed. Tank 3/4. 56. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment fails. Tank retreats (1/4). Inf 2/4. 57. Tank attacks inf. defensive bombardment fails. Inf killed. Tank 2/4. Fort Stanwix total: 16 Tank attacks. 10 succesful defensive bombardments. 6 infs killed. 6 tanks killed. 58. MI captures settler at Leopolis 22. 59. Marine captures 3 workers at Legopolis 3 60. Marine captures 3 workers at Dye Fields 47 61. Marine captures 3 workers at Dye Fields 41 62. 3/4 Marine captures worker at Ahhmyfoot 7. 63. Forkmouth abandoned. Resistance ends. 64. Sandonorico abandoned. Resistance ends. 65. Tarzania abandoned. Resistance ends. 66. Karina abandoned. Resistance ends. Grand total: 9 bombardments, 5 hits totalling 6 hp. 27 attacks. 4 retreats. 10 successfull defensive bombardments. We lost 1 DD, 6 TR & 6 T. Lego lost 4 BB, 1 sub, 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 explorers, 13 workers, 1 settler, 9 cities.

	11-12-2004 04:15									#142
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CH, you're voicing exactly my reasons to do it private, and keep it short... after thinking this over for nearly a day, I didn't found my first attempt any good either, as it would be too much, and might have a counter productive effect. Ths hort, private thing looks to me to be okay, and even needed. But that's just me... this has never happened before, so everyone's opinion is very needed here.

DeepO

	11-12-2004 04:16									#143
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I'll copy it:

quote: Dear Legoland, this is a time of both joy and grief for us. We thought we should give you a heads up, before we make anything public.... Legopolis has fallen. More details will be unveiled later, but we just wanted to let you guys know that we feel for your loss, even if we were responsible. We know how much time you invested in building, what we un-builded in one turn time. Kind regards, Gathering Storm

	11-12-2004 04:16									#144
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Personally, I would make anything you send as short and sweet as possible... "We broke through at Quanto with chained Artillery and I'm sure you know what happened next..."

	11-12-2004 04:16									#145
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If the note Krill has posted is the suggested message to Lego, then I'm all for it. But then, none of the proposals I've read so far have anything objectionable in them. Since I'm reading everything at the moment, it's fair to assume that if I dont't say anything then I'mhappy with any given message.

	11-12-2004 04:17									#146
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Correct, Krill. I just added our name at the bottom.

DeepO

	11-12-2004 04:19									#147
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wow... sometimes this forum really is too fast

Krill, I wouldn't include the battle report... too much at once. Let's just keep that dry, and public.

DeepO

	11-12-2004 04:19									#148
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DeepO, I understand, but the advatage of sending it privately is that any reactions that they have will not start a public flaming, and hopefully vond can damp anything out.

	11-12-2004 04:20									#149
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I would at least mention how you did it... Lego would certainly like to know right of the bat, rather than to wonder what went wrong for a couple hours or whatever.

	11-12-2004 04:22									#150
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Er, so Trip, do you prefer my longer, explantry post or DeepOs short and succint post?