02-11-2004 17:33									#91
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quote: Originally posted by KrazyHorse If other people would do their homework before expressing their opinions then their input would be welcome.

We get wildly different views from Canadians on poly. We don't know what to believe when the Canadians square off against each other in these threads.

	02-11-2004 17:34									#92
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Oh. The intercanadian stuff is just what happens when you have a political process that encourages actual discussion instead of stifling it.

	02-11-2004 17:43									#93
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We have so much free disscussion that its spilling out over the rims. May not be so plessant to hear 90 percent of the time but it's free. (after tv and radio have gotten their cut of course)

	02-11-2004 17:47									#94
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theoretically free. in practice not so much

	02-11-2004 19:15									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Wezil If you are implying that more leverage can be exerted against smaller trading partners, you are right. This is one of the distinct advantages of staying intact.

That's exactly my point. Well, more precisely, more leverage can be exerted against multiple trading partners, but yes.

	02-11-2004 19:16									#96
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris I didn't expect anything else from a moron like you. You have absolutely no clue about the political, legal, cultural and historical factors involved and yet you come here trolling like a *****.

I can read your threads.

	02-11-2004 19:17									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Oncle Boris Despite all of this, though, a majority of French Canadians would vote YES (56-58%) and are only held back by the Anglo minority. The national sentiment is here to stay, and I don't see it significantly going down in the next 10 or 20 years.

And of course, in the South, a majority of White Americans would vote YES to secession if only they weren't held back by the Black minority.

	02-11-2004 20:48									#98
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither btw, I'm a little bit impressed that Saskatchewan is about to join the haves. They've been CCF or NDP for a good portion of the time that Alberta has been Social Credit or Tory. We went balls out on oil (and have more of it, most likely) they have not encouraged exploration (but they have encouraged other mineral extraction). Half of Saskatchewan's native sons and daughters moved to Alberta (so the story goes) but still they plod along and are managing to get things done. Nova Scotia is next.

We can hope but NS has many challenges considering that their offshore industry has stagnated. For example, the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers CAPP) just closed their Halifax office. Thats only 2-3 jobs but its more an indicator of the industry's view of the area. Note that the CAPP office in NL remains open.

Actually NL is making a bid to pull itself into the "have" category with the elimination of transfer clawbacks on its oil revenue. Basically they are asking for the chance to get ahead. Otherwise they have nots can be like the welfare family that has a dollar deducted from their benefits for every dollar they earn

	02-11-2004 20:54									#99
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This thread is an interesting read

Oncle Boris:
Why are you an independantist?

	02-11-2004 21:00									#100
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither btw, I'm a little bit impressed that Saskatchewan is about to join the haves. They've been CCF or NDP for a good portion of the time that Alberta has been Social Credit or Tory. We went balls out on oil (and have more of it, most likely) they have not encouraged exploration (but they have encouraged other mineral extraction). Half of Saskatchewan's native sons and daughters moved to Alberta (so the story goes) but still they plod along and are managing to get things done. Nova Scotia is next.

I think it's a tribute to the good job the NDP has done here. Either that or it's a pathetic display by most of the rest of Canada I think we have like the lowest percentage of taxpayers in our population here!

	02-11-2004 21:06									#101
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That's because all of the taxpayers keep heading a province west for a real job.

	02-11-2004 21:06									#102
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I think it would be a great loss for Canada and Quebec if Quebec seperated. I appreciate the presence of French culture in Canada. That being said, I think the policys of appeasement are ridiculous.

	02-11-2004 22:02									#103
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quote: These figures include proposed additional payments to Equalization-receiving provinces announced in Budget 2004, subject to passage of authorizing legislation.

Really. So BC is screwed?

Look at your own source!

They are increasing the payments, so BC will receive more, even if their economic situation improves.

Secondly, Alberta and Ontario are booming. If BC falls further behind both, then they will continue to receive equalisation payments. This doesn't mean that things aren't getting better here.

	02-11-2004 22:03									#104
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quote: That's because all of the taxpayers keep heading a province west for a real job.

True dat. Sucks to be working in one of the most beautiful cities in Canada, when you could be freezing your arse off in Calgary.

	02-11-2004 22:39									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi True dat. Sucks to be working in one of the most beautiful cities in Canada, when you could be freezing your arse off in Calgary.

Calgary is the cleanest major city in the world, and also beautiful.

You just get paid more, enjoy far lower crime rates, far lower taxes, and enjoy a lower cost of living.

And it doesn't rain in Calgary 364.9 days a year.

FWIW, Calgary and Vancouver have identical temperatures right now as well.

Except Vancouver is raining and Calgary is not.

	02-11-2004 22:40									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Sprayber We get wildly different views from Canadians on poly. We don't know what to believe when the Canadians square off against each other in these threads.

That's the great thing about Canada. Canadians take for granted that we have different views and most of the time we expect these differences to exist and the fact these differences exist doesn't matter.

Although, I tend to get upset about wannabe Americans, but that's because my greatest fear is that Canada will end up in the future as a USA lite.

Part of me thinks that I should apologise for my harsh comments against the wannabe Americans, but a stronger emotion is don't destroy my country. And yet, the thing I treasure most about Canada is that we are not expected to conform to any myth of a true Canadian.

Oh, I don't know and I'm drunhk.. ah forget it.

	02-11-2004 22:43									#107
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quote: Although, I tend to get upset about wannabe Americans, but that's because my greatest fear is that Canada will end up in the future as a USA lite.

"end up in the future"

	02-11-2004 22:46									#108
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Except Vancouver is raining and Calgary is not.

Which makes Vancouver better.

	02-11-2004 22:47									#109
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quote: Calgary is the cleanest major city in the world, and also beautiful.

Major city? Y'all ain't even 1 million people. Yer a podunk compared with the metropolises.

quote: You just get paid more, enjoy far lower crime rates, far lower taxes, and enjoy a lower cost of living.

Aye, I agree with the lower cost of living. Fewer people like living in Calgary.

quote: And it doesn't rain in Calgary 364.9 days a year.

We've had a very good year in the past few years for rain. Now we're paying the piper.

quote: FWIW, Calgary and Vancouver have identical temperatures right now as well. Except Vancouver is raining and Calgary is not.

Yeah, it's been raining for the last few weeks. Raining and cold. It's the worst weather we'll get all year.

Just wait until the arctic front drops, and then we can make a proper comparison.

	02-11-2004 22:49									#110
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quote: Which makes Vancouver better.

You like the rain?

You sound like my first girlfriend.

	02-11-2004 22:52									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Major city? Y'all ain't even 1 million people. Yer a podunk compared with the metropolises.

Calgary is at 1M now...and has been the fastest growing city by far in Canada for many years running now.

quote: Aye, I agree with the lower cost of living. Fewer people like living in Calgary.

Which would explain why it's been the fastest growing city by far in Canada for years in a row, right?

Silly Ben.

	02-11-2004 22:57									#112
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Are they moving there because of the climate, and the joys of the city, or because they are looking for work?

Most of my friends from my hometown, they've all moved away to Calgary, because there's no work up north.

And like my usual contrary spirit, I stay in the province.

	02-11-2004 22:59									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Are they moving there because of the climate, and the joys of the city, or because they are looking for work? Most of my friends from my hometown, they've all moved away to Calgary, because there's no work up north. And like my usual contrary spirit, I stay in the province.

Many people move to Calgary for the city itself.

The guy I'm renting a room from (a small business owner in Richmond Hill, ON) made a trip with his wife to Calgary a month ago and now wants to move there. He's an avid skiier, business-savy, and finds the mountains breathtaking. He used to live in Vancouver, but found it overcrowded and hates the rain, and the taxes. After Vancouver and before Richmond Hill, it was Montreal. But the economy is terrible there.

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quote: a small business owner in Richmond Hill, ON

Says it all. A veteran of TO and Montreal would find it appealing in Calgary.

As for the regulatory regime, hopefully that will come down, as it has been for the last few years.

	02-11-2004 23:04									#115
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Ok

Vancouver-- warmer and rainier
Calgary -- more sun but gets colder, better economy and growth

NO suprises. Do we really need to rehash these self-evident characteristics of these cities.

On the opinion, side I love Calgary and Vancouver. Both are beautiful and I enjoy th differences in them. I choose to live in Calgary since thats where the oil industry is but I don't know that I would leave if job prospects were equivalent. ( The low taxes are nice too)

	02-11-2004 23:06									#116
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(Flubber glances out his office window)

Aren't the mountains just breathtaking today ??

	02-11-2004 23:13									#117
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Yeah, I'm not really bashing Calgary either. Especially given the hick phrasing of a so-called Vancouver cosmopolitan.

In fact, I'm not really all that enamoured of the climate in Vancouver. I'd be more suited to Calgary than I am here.

I've got roots here now, so many friends and people that I love dearly, I know I wouldn't be as happy elsewhere.

	02-11-2004 23:19									#118
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Both are great cities.

Personally, I'd still be in Vancouver if it weren't for my wife's career. Calgary is too cowboy for me.

Random thought...I wonder how many people from Calgary's Winter 1988 Olympics will be lending a hand for Vancouver 2010...

	02-11-2004 23:26									#119
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quote: Originally posted by dejon . Personally, I'd still be in Vancouver if it weren't for my wife's career. Calgary is too cowboy for me.

I don't get the "too cowboy" comment. I could understand if you said "corporate" or "cold" or "conservative" or even "Americanized but other than Stampede time I don't see Calgary as "cowboy" at all.

Dejon where do you live now?

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quote: Originally posted by dejon Random thought...I wonder how many people from Calgary's Winter 1988 Olympics will be lending a hand for Vancouver 2010...

22 years later-- I'm guessing not many-- 22years is a long time and I expect that Vancouver will have legions of willing people