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I have to go shopping now, but before I go I will leave a taster for more cities!



I will also do a Scandanavian variant for the Finns and Swedish civs!

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Fantastic Keep 'em coming Curt!

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@Arthedain:

Hope you don't mind but:
I would like to keep these cities exclusive till I get Bitterfrost released...

But I am on the case with your request!


Fair enough!
I take that as if you release it first, then I may use them then..
Many thanks for working on my request.

Enough of the threadjacking. The cities for Red Front looks great. Some of the best cities I've ever seen.

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@Fairline:
I'm empty of words...marvellous trucks!

@Curt:
You shure are the city graphics champ

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Thanks for the kind words, dudes!

Winter versions will follow when I have the full roster of summer cities made.

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Curt you are a wizzard with layers!! Its good to see the full colour potential of Civ II finally being realized. Yet, I have to ask you a question my friend. If the Civ II source code was aquired or somehow cracked, and the full colour pallet, expanded unit slots and events could be added to MGE, would you consider making this an MGE scenario?

I realize that is one hell of an "if" question, but I'd like to think that one day somehow we'll be able to fix those flaws with MGE.

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Just get Test of Time.

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@Sarsstock:

Without going off topic too much -
ToT has many other benefits, as well as graphics.
It is the natural fate for a scenario maker to move
to the version that gives him the most options.



That's all I am saying before Fairline shoots me down for spamming his thread!

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While I am here, I will email Fairline the new, refined summer
cities as soon as I complete the tricky Scandanavian set.

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quote:
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If the Civ II source code was aquired or somehow cracked, and the full colour pallet, expanded unit slots and events could be added to MGE, would you consider making this an MGE scenario?

I realize that is one hell of an "if" question, but I'd like to think that one day somehow we'll be able to fix those flaws with MGE.


What you're talking about here Sarsstock is upgrading MGE to ToT

The whole purpose of this project is a conversion of RF to ToT in order to take advantage of the very qualities you have listed. At some point I may make up MGE versions of the graphics files, but they will inevitably be inferior in quality due to the 8-bit palette and reduced height unit slots.

Do you have ToT BTW Chris?

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No sweat C. I have my gun-sights on other people

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While I am here, I will email Fairline the new, refined summer cities as soon as I complete the tricky Scandanavian set


Excellent!

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The only reason I prefer MGE to ToT is that I think MGE has a better feel to it. I have tried to play ToT scenarios on several different occasions an it just feels slow to me. That and it's lack of utilities.

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Yes Fairline I do indeed have ToT, but I suppose MGE just feels more familiar to me as I've been playing it for nine years this Christmas. More than any game on any platform.

Anyways, about that title.gif I offered to produce for you guys. Are there any general themes you wanted me to consider using such as battlefield images or a red and black colour scheme? Or did you want to give me complete artistic leave on this one?

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Go for it Sarsstock, you always come up with something that's great, and thanks The only thought I had was one of those Soviet-era propaganda posters, if you know the ones I mean. I can have a hunt on google for some examples.

BTW, you know you can make ToT the map interface the same view as MGE? - (menu bar 'view---map layout'.) Similarly you can have the old civ2 city view ('view---city layout'). That should make you feel more at home with ToT I hope!

EDIT: here's a great site with the style of poster I mean:

http://poster.s.cz/listy/russ1.htm

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The only reason I prefer MGE to ToT is that I think MGE has a better feel to it. I have tried to play ToT scenarios on several different occasions an it just feels slow to me. That and it's lack of utilities.


Jimmy, you can speed up play using 'fast piece slde' in game options. Bit too fast for my taste though

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Okay, I too will fish around for some good pre-war era Soviet posters. Now, do you want the title to be "Red Front" or "Red Front Redux"?

Also, should I credit you using the name Fairline or your actual name? I've noticed some people like their actual names, some like their screen names only. Also, would you like me to credit the major contributors to the game, possibly Nemo for the original concept or only you as the scenario author?

P.S. Thanks for the advice on making ToT look like regular MGE.

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Thanks again Sarsstock. Please keep the wording exactly as it is on Red front for MGE: 'Scenario by Captain Nemo with the participation of Alex the Magnificent'. Don't make reference to me or any of the others involved in this community project

EDIT: Perhaps you could have the additional byline: 'Redux by the Scenario League'. That should cover everybody's contribution to this project.

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Thanks again Sarsstock. Please keep the wording exactly as it is on Red front for MGE: 'Scenario by Captain Nemo with the participation of Alex the Magnificent'. Don't make reference to me or any of the others involved in this community project

EDIT: Perhaps you could have the additional byline: 'Redux by the Scenario League'. That should cover everybody's contribution to this project.


Couldn't have said it better myself

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I realize the title is the least important part of the scenario, so many apologies for taking up so much of the thread here. Now this is the style I'm considering using for Red Front ToT. Its for the graphical update of 2194 Days of War, known as "2194 Days of War Redux", which to date has been downloaded by a grand total of........ zero people.

Attachment: 2194 days of war redux.gif
This has been downloaded 199 time(s).

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No need to apologise Sarsstock - the title is an important part of building the atmosphere of a scenario. Keep on posting

I like the general layout - perhaps 2/3 Russian posters on the right of the title and 2 German ones on the left would be appropriate. I think Cyrillic script would look good as well, perhaps with a few reversed 'E's thrown in to give that Russian look

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OK chaps, I've completed a first pass at the unit and terrain graphics. I'd like to share it with team members to get their views and suggestions for changes.

Curt and Harry, I know your e-mail addresses; Agricola would you mind PM-ing me yours and Sarsstock, I'm afraid I've lost yours after my last computer died on me, so PM me if your interested. Is anybody else involved actively who I've missed out?

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Nice one, Fairline!
This is one I have been looking forward to seeing!

@Sarsstock:
You are the undisputed title king!

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Am I correct in assuming that in TOT it is possible to spawn 200+ units per turn at random locations by using "COUNT=" and "RANDOMIZE". If so, the German Stalingrad and Caucasus offensives in '42, the Kursk operation in '43 and the defence of Germany in '44-'45 can be made appropriately stronger without having to alter much else.


Curt, techumseh or anyone else who knows, could you please provide guidance. I'm basing the quote on a quick read of one of the Market Garden EVENTS files.

Additional question

In COUNT=X, what is the maximum that X can be?

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Units sent to Curt, Agricola and Harry. Sarsstock, if your interested let me know your e-mail address.

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Here's a thought, I've checked with multiple online translators and they all seem to agree that the Russian translation of the phrase "Red Front" is "Êðàñíûé Ôðîíò".

Perhaps I could use that as the main title text and in brackets with only slightly smaller lettering underneath the english translation along with the rest of the text you provided me with. Then again, such a graphic might end up looking too cluttered.

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Oh yes, and although the propper russian text did not show up on Poly take my word for it I do have the actual Russian characters on my PC here.

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Units and files are received - All I can say is blimmin' heck!

Some truly cool work!

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Here's a thought, I've checked with multiple online translators and they all seem to agree that the Russian translation of the phrase "Red Front" is "Êðàñíûé Ôðîíò".


I'd be a little careful trusting online translators. I'm sure the individual words translate correctly, but I don't know if it's the proper translation of the phrase... There are a few Russians in the OT... Then again, maybe I'm just a little paranoid.

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The macro.txt says the maximum is 255.

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Thanks. That fact opens up a lot of options when there is a need to create more than 1 or 2 units during a specific turn.

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I'd be a little careful trusting online translators. I'm sure the individual words translate correctly, but I don't know if it's the proper translation of the phrase... There are a few Russians in the OT... Then again, maybe I'm just a little paranoid.


A couple of friends of mine are / know russian. I can ask them to translate Red Front.

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Yes, perhaps having an actual Russian translation would be better. Fairline those units are just incredible. And Curts new cities are going to go really well with the style.

 
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