03-01-2005 01:40									#121
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I think most of the units in your draft looks quite good now.

I'm a bit unsure about the truck. And the elephant looks a bit weird.

I think it would be good to go over the shadows and make them have the same same look when you have decided on all units.

	03-01-2005 01:50									#122
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quote: Originally posted by Yog-Sothoth I think most of the units in your draft looks quite good now. I'm a bit unsure about the truck. And the elephant looks a bit weird. I think it would be good to go over the shadows and make them have the same same look when you have decided on all units.

I think I see the problem. The front weel at the front is covered. The elephant is one of few the units that hasn't been tweaked. I'll take a look.

Meanwhile here's some of the designs I did for the explorer. If ain't a penguin I'm aking for the "indiana jones"- type.

	05-01-2005 02:07									#123
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Ok, here is the 2nd draft.

I have:

• improved the elephant unit
  
• replaced the wheel on the truck
  
• Added a worker unit (Freeciv also has workers besides settlers)
  
• replaced the explorer
  

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	05-01-2005 07:57									#124
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Oh, it's a penguin!

Not only couldn't I tell that's what it was supposed to be, but now that I know, I agree with St Leo. Fantasy and/or joke graphics should be mods, not the default graphics. So I think your camel with the penguin should also be adjusted. As you say, you can always add the joke units at the bottom.

I like the "Indiana Jones" explorer and I also like the 16th-C explorer. Maybe keep both and let user choose?

Mountains look nice!

Btw, I know how time-consuming this must be. You're doing great!

I still prefer these bulldozers

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	05-01-2005 09:41									#125
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Nah, caterpillar-bulldozers are the way to go

And I like penguins

	05-01-2005 10:57									#126
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is there a barbarian leader graphic, if not make the barbarian leader graphic a barbarian penguin or "Conan the Librarian"

	05-01-2005 17:48									#127
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I agree that a penguin is bad for suspension of disbelief. And I also think this holds for the "GPL" text on the freight car. The nuke icon on the nuclear unit will not work well with the hp bar, I think. The paratrooper unit does not have a parachute? Other than that, it is starting to shape up really nice!

	06-01-2005 01:34									#128
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quote: Originally posted by valmont Oh, it's a penguin! Not only couldn't I tell that's what it was supposed to be, but now that I know, I agree with St Leo. Fantasy and/or joke graphics should be mods, not the default graphics. So I think your camel with the penguin should also be adjusted. As you say, you can always add the joke units at the bottom. I like the "Indiana Jones" explorer and I also like the 16th-C explorer. Maybe keep both and let user choose? Mountains look nice! Btw, I know how time-consuming this must be. You're doing great!

Thanks , most of those units also have a normal alternative.so replacing them isn't that much trouble. For the explorer I'm more akin to the "Indiana Jones"-type. Not only because he looks good but what he represents: a rugged explorer/prospector venturing into the unknown.

The explorer is quite a durable and useful unit in Freeciv (you normally start out with one) and can be useful for a longtime. I never build many explorers in Civ2 but because FC gives you one at the start it reminds you of their usefulness. A cheap, defensive and all-terrain unit for exploring.



I'm still looking for some good hills though. RF comes with some excellent terrain but sadly, no hills.

	06-01-2005 01:52									#129
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quote: Originally posted by Per I agree that a penguin is bad for suspension of disbelief. And I also think this holds for the "GPL" text on the freight car. The nuke icon on the nuclear unit will not work well with the hp bar, I think. The paratrooper unit does not have a parachute? Other than that, it is starting to shape up really nice!

Penguin units can be moved to the bottom row, no problem. I've also got standard units for them.

The nuke and paratrooper have a symbol to set them apart. They both have (very) special abilities and I would like to keep that apparent at first glance.

Plus, the nuke would otherwise look like some outgrown cruisemissile. The paratrooper doesn't have a parachute because most units I've seen sofar just don't look good if you have to fit in a parachute as well.
Nemo made the right decision in 2nd front by replacing them with a trooper and the basic "symbol" of the US Airborne. You can't see the symbol clearly on the draft because it's almost white on a whitebackground (look closely). It's very distinct in- game however.


As for the truck....No metajokes at all? The "GPL" truck also appeared in Tim Smith's Hires set.

http://www.geocities.com/yoohootim/

	08-01-2005 02:08									#130
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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK Ok, here is the 2nd draft. I have: improved the elephant unit replaced the wheel on the truck Added a worker unit (Freeciv also has workers besides settlers) replaced the explorer Things like the shadows and small corrections I'll leave till later.

Looks better. There is still something that bothers me about that elephant though...

It's ears should be bigger and a bit further back, slighly thicker legs and it's belly shouldn't be that square

	08-01-2005 02:27									#131
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quote: Originally posted by Yog-Sothoth Looks better. There is still something that bothers me about that elephant though... It's ears should be bigger and a bit further back, slighly thicker legs and it's belly shouldn't be that square

A potbellied elephant? Where have i heard that one before!?

	08-01-2005 21:18									#132
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quote: Originally posted by CapTVK A potbellied elephant? Where have i heard that one before!?

I'll pay fifty dollars for one!

	10-01-2005 00:14									#133
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Ok, 3th draft is up. I have:

• updated the elephant. (If you want potbellied elephants get your own )
  
• replaced the caravan unit
  
• moved the emblem for the nuke so it's slightly under the missile
  
• did some shadows tweaking. I've thought about adding alpha (transparency) levels to the shadows. But at this stage it isn't really useful because there is no real support for them yet.
  

	10-01-2005 00:15									#134
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And here are the units:

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	10-01-2005 01:34									#135
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in your next version, double the size of the unit boxes, if you can, that way i can submit some stuff that you can work with.
"(I.E. full legnth t-35, js-2 w/ full legnth barrel, ect.)

	10-01-2005 02:10									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Broken_Erika in your next version, double the size of the unit boxes, if you can, that way i can submit some stuff that you can work with. "(I.E. full legnth t-35, js-2 w/ full legnth barrel, ect.)

Well, the FC graphics systems is quite flexible so I might take a look at double-res(128x96). But for now, first things first.

	10-01-2005 02:48									#137
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well i'm just suggesting for a future release
after you are finished making this one

	10-01-2005 23:14									#138
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update: Helicopter wanted!

Bad news, the helicopter will have to be replaced with an original one. It appears the helicopter is a derative of the one that appeared in ToT. Kind of a shame because Tanelorn's version is head and shoulders above the original ToT version.


With thanks for Catfish for spotting that one.



P.S
While I try to verify every unit that goes into the set to see if it's a original (no derivatives or rips from another game allowed). There's always a chance one slipped through. If you think something is fishy with a particular unit and can proof it just tell me and I'll correct it.

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	11-01-2005 01:13									#139
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The replacement has arrived. Tanelorn also had a Tiger in reserve, (or should that be on the wing)!?

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	14-01-2005 03:19									#140
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Making terrain is hard, you have to imagine it fitting together in-game.

Anyway here are my first attempts:

This is at the start after I found some decent hills. The underlying tiles haven't been edited yet.

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	14-01-2005 03:21									#141
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And this is the 2nd one where I've done some work on the underlying tiles.

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In this set the dithering effect has been deactivated. So the tiles no longer 'blend' into each other.

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	14-01-2005 03:48									#142
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CapTVK: I can help you out with terrain if you want. After I commit the stuff I'm working on right now for Wesnoth I will have some free time.

	14-01-2005 03:57									#143
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the whales look like something from "Dilbert"

	14-01-2005 04:06									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Yog-Sothoth CapTVK: I can help you out with terrain if you want. After I commit the stuff I'm working on right now for Wesnoth I will have some free time.

Thanks YS, contact me by mail or PM. I would like to do some stuff during the weekend.

	14-01-2005 04:08									#145
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quote: Originally posted by Broken_Erika the whales look like something from "Dilbert"

That's on the to-do list. Oceanic creatures are my forte!

	14-01-2005 21:52									#146
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VASTLY improved!

Hills, mountains and trees look much better. I see you've also desaturated the rivers, that helps them look like part of the terrain.

	14-01-2005 22:05									#147
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besides the dilbert whales, the terrain looks exellent

	19-01-2005 03:50									#148
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I'll be away for coming week. So it's time for two things A) to show the current designs of the updated resources and B) make backups of my current work (cause you never know).



If anyone wants to have a go at the resources or some other stuff, your welcome. Try to stick to the Civ2 standard palette as much as possible.

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	31-01-2005 00:54									#149
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Back to work, the terrain isnīt finished but the units are ready for playtesting.

edit: this file has been updated. See later post

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	31-01-2005 02:31									#150
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On request, a quick screenshot of units with an outline

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