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Yeah! We're first in the demographics. Now some more favorable trades and we'll have no money problems ever again.

Poor, poor Mongols. Why did they had to suffer... so long?



Soo... Emperor Conius, are you entering this game as well? Should I wait, or do I go break things now?

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700 Well I see a program of courthouses/marketplaces might be ajsut the cure Gramps' money woes ^^

730 finally found the blasted celts. But I got 135 g out of them for MM

750 put us in 50 turn gunpowder for a bit while I rustle up some upgrade cash for the Berzerks. Someone needs to start a war soon to trim this army up

760 accepted deal from Iroquois for Furs/5gpt for Spices

770 also met the waaaay backward Indians

810 - Leo's at last!!!!! And we just triggered our GA Pearl's PC just met the Arabians as well (yet anotehr backward civ)

and at 850 I leave you with a 20-galley fleet, 15 bezerks ready (12 already loaded and ready to go) "Bye-bye boys! Have fun storming the castle!"

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wow you all did a wonderous job

Modo it's up to you how long you want to wait for Con, but I vote if he doesn't play today you play when you start on sunday

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wow you all did a wonderous job

Modo it's up to you how long you want to wait for Con, but I vote if he doesn't play today you play when you start on sunday


thanks!

I conquer..(or should I say conqueror..) or is it concur..hmm..need me a weebstahs dickkkkshunairy



at any rate..I think what ever you said Snoop is da raght thang ta du

I just cant see us waiting much longer

of course until I get me a haircut I cant much period

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Snoopy -> I will. I actually wanted to start today, but I'm still playing AU 505. The game is great, but writing a log while you play is a pain.

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Snoopy -> I will. I actually wanted to start today, but I'm still playing AU 505. The game is great, but writing a log while you play is a pain.

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yeah..I am trying to and will learn a balance between screenies and informational necessities as time passes by

It's a mess of fun though..

so much to learn in civ III but I will this I promise

Gramps

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Snoopy -> I will. I actually wanted to start today, but I'm still playing AU 505. The game is great, but writing a log while you play is a pain.



True Why i never got into AU games - takes too long to do DARs.

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True Why i never got into AU games - takes too long to do DARs.


dar is basically what we are doing here..or maybe more detailed?

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More detailed is one thing. The other thing is, I din't do it for 20, or 10 turns, I did it for (up till now) 250 turns. That's a lot of writing, believe me. But the game is very interesting - I'm not used to not going to war early.

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More detailed is one thing. The other thing is, I din't do it for 20, or 10 turns, I did it for (up till now) 250 turns. That's a lot of writing, believe me. But the game is very interesting - I'm not used to not going to war early.


so waht your playing a game by yourself..like what a single player pbem?

then recapping the action?

sound fun and very intriguing

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It helps a lot, because you see your own mistakes better. Also, the games are different, because there are certain goals, that make you use things you might not use normally. I enjoy those curses very much.

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lol

I actually tried it, but it just wasn't interesting enough to hold my interest. You don't have enough room to get a decent civ going, and not being able to kill the romans or the greeks pretty much eliminates that. Also, I don't see Fascism being useful, or interesting - too late in the game, and you'd have to basically kill democracy even more to fix that. It seems just more fun to play normally

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Oh, the Romans and the Greeks died anyway, just a bit later. I enjoyed the game, is all I'm saying.

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so you have to have permission to war?

Isnt this the game where you have a senate that tells you what you can and cant do?


well..interestimg maybbe a word i would say

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No, this is the game where you're forbidden to start a war, and forbidden to take action within enemy territory, regardless of war or not. Basically you can defend yourself and that's it ... until you hit Fascism anyway.

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No, this is the game where you're forbidden to start a war, and forbidden to take action within enemy territory, regardless of war or not. Basically you can defend yourself and that's it ... until you hit Fascism anyway.


so if you are attacked..you basically are not allowed to go cut off the head and feet of the nemesis..only take punches..

hmm..that could be a long road to Hoe...

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Yes. The idea this time, is to find out how good or how bad Fascism is, and how it can be used. Obviously not much could be learned if the game was won long before Fascism. Therefore the restriction - no offensive wars earlier. You don't have to take a beating, you just can't go on an early rampage.

Yes, it is a bit more difficult than a normal game. The more fun in it, IMO. I guess I'm a masochist. Oh well.

There have been other courses too...
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Playing, finally.

Thoughts and actions:

850 AD - taking a look...

  • We rock.
  • Workers on automation?
  • The grassland north of Trondheim can be irrigated. That's where the workers go (not automated anymore ).
  • Switch Barcelona to build Palace. It's not a useful city, never going to be, so putting FP there makes little sense. I'd rather rush the FP somewhere in (soon to be) former Persia. Remember, it's a huge map, so we still have fairly low corruption anyway.
  • Berserks need someone to back them up. Switch a couple cities to Pikemen. Spearmen can be upgraded. It's cheap, and we need Pikes, right?
  • Start moving Berserks into posiotion. Takes 3-4 to conquer a city. Some will get Pikes as defensive support, some cities will get a larger stack. One problem: we don't have units that can go inland.
  • Furs to Korea for 69gp.
  • Invention to Iroquis for Incense and 50gp.
  • Invention to Greece for 25gp and 27gpt.
  • Lower lux slider to 10%. Making 261gpt ~ 3 Berserks, or ~2 Berserks plus 3 Pikemen.
  • We ROCK.

870 AD
  • We meet the Romans. Judging by city names, they got badly clobbered by the Celts. Give them Literature for 26gp.

890 AD
  • Iron Working and Mathematics to India for Dyes.
  • Mathematics, Furs, 4gpt to Sumeria for Wines.
  • Lux slider to 0%. Making 338gpt.
  • Last portion of Archers to be upgraded next turn. Then it's onto those in Ta-Tu.
  • Gift MapMaking to the Zulu. They have 12 Silks...
  • Gift MapMaking to the Japanese. They have 12 Gems...

900 AD
  • Persians tell us to beat it. We do... for now.
  • Start joining workers to cities, to make them size 12 fast. Not much to be done, so no reason to keep all those workers around. They can be (re)produced shortly before railroads come.
  • Dolphin Runner finds a large apparently unclaimed landmass north of the Romans. It's very close - just south of Scandinavia. Don't know about a short route, though.

930 AD
  • Greece discovers Chivalry and starts Knights Templar.
  • Most Archers upgraded. Time to restart research. Slider to 70%, 6 turns to Gunpowder.
  • All Galleys in position. Yes, I mean position to attack.
  • Embassy with Egypt. Yes, I intend to bring Cleo (she's doing OCC ) to war with the Persians.
  • Pull all forces on Persian continent back to Ta-Tu. That's a huge standing army, which will hopefully get to kill most of those Immortals...


The plan should be obvious:

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940 AD

  • Sparta (Greek) builds Sun Tzu's Art of War. That means we need Theology or Chivalry now, or else our 4-turns-to-wonder in Trondheim, will become a pile of wasted shields. But only Greece has those techs, and I'm not paying 100gpt to an AI in the Medieval Age, sorry. We just got ourselves a 462 shields Cathedral.
  • Looks like the Koreans decided to kill England. And they are doing good. Sending Iron, Furs, Monarchy and Feudalism to England for Republic, 35gp, 5gpt. Korea already has Feudalism, btw.
  • I need to vent , so I declare war on Persia.
  • Start clobbering the Persians (see pic below).

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Well, it looks like my turn on this will be horribly boring ... Nice attack though. I wasn't expecting to be able to do QUITE this much on the first turn ... but then again, why else have Berserks?

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very nice Modo..way to go

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Modo, you done yet?

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Modo, you done yet?


Arent we supposed to email a save when we are done snoopy?

to the next player i mean and post here?

Just asking is all

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<< I'm the next player

And yes, that is accurate.

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Shock tactics! I wanted some action, otherwise I'd wait, perhaps 5 turns. Then all Persian coastal cities would fall in a turn.

BTW, Berserks can kill an Immortal on a mountain quite easy.

960 AD

  • Still clobbering the Vikings. Had to abandon one of the western cities though, because of lacking defenses (didn't bring Pikemen there ).
  • Great Leader Healdfene emerges in one of the Breserk bands attacking Persepolis. Good - will rush the FP in this city, once it is conquered. [EDIT: It wasn't Persepolis. Oh well, still rushed FP. ]
  • Many Immortals run to Persepolis to defend it. Good, they are easier to kill this way.

970 AD
  • You guessed it, still clobbering the Persians. This time I checked where to go, and took SoZ away from them.
  • The land mass near the Romans is a large island. Still completely unclaimed. Hint hint.

990 AD
  • Some serious infrastructure has been erected during the Golden Age (that's it's main use, after all). Now cities are switching back to units, to send some reinforcements to our Berserks.
  • Trade Philosophy, Horses and Furs to India for Dyes.
  • Trade Currency and Furs to Sumeria for Wines.
  • Trade Philosophy and Furs to the Zulu for Silks.
  • Trade Invention to the Hittis for Spices.
  • Trade Horses and Furs to Greece for Incense.
  • Trade Engineering to the Celts for Theology. Switch Trondheim to Sistine Chael (as a prebuild, I think).
  • Greece has Education and Printing Press already, but still lacks Gunpowder. We will have it next turn!
  • Keep clobbering Persians. This time take a chokepoint city (Gordium) in the dead center of the formerly Persian continent. And rush the FP.

1000 AD
  • Research Gunpowder.
  • Trade Gunpowder to Greece for Education and 103gp.
  • Greece has Music Theory, but doesn't have Astronomy yet.
  • Trade Theology to the Iroquis for 115gp.
  • Switch core cities to building Universities, trying to use the last turns of our Golden Age to speed them up.
  • Keep clobbering the Persians. Now they are out of the Mongol Peninsula.


War goes on... but with a new leader.

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And at home:

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And yes, that is accurate.


I just wanna check and makes sure because Snoopy..dun wanna step on me weiner as i have in a few other games..

wanna be a team player..

dont wanna do the wrong thing..

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Oh, and by the way, we ROCK the demographics.

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man we sure do..makes me leary to wanna screw it up..but give me a chance I am used to it from way back in High School

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Save sent to Snoopy.

Gosh, there was a zillion Immortals in the north. Good thing I waited until most Archers in Ta-Tu were upgraded to Berserks, or it would be a bloody mess.

Some Bersekrs were lost to counter-attacks. They need defenders badly.

Remember to use those Galleys to move troops - they are incredible.

 
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