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DrSpike

Deity

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Sep 2001
time: 05:32

17-01-2005 05:22

#241

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Sent btw.

Atragon

Prince

Nov 2001
time: 00:32

17-01-2005 05:26

#242

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Now my question is... does either Ljube or Paddy have a shield? that is the question...

Edit: And are they going to use it?

Last edited by Atragon on 17-01-2005 at 05:38

joncha

Emperor

North of FOPOG
Jan 2003
time: 21:32

17-01-2005 05:47

#243

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I'm sure you'll find out...

Jamski

Deity

lol ED&D is officially full PvP LOL
May 2002
time: 05:32

17-01-2005 05:51

#244

Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Oh, and Spaced always will beat me at some point in the game That's the erm... 2543th rule!

Oh, and people always trust LJ because he's a good ally... for a few rounds... but then he is a good traitor too

-Jam

Atragon

Prince

Nov 2001
time: 00:32

17-01-2005 05:52

#245

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True... of course, hercules is vulnerable since he used his shield last turn...

:) Smiley

Emperor

USCA, Berkeley
Feb 2001
time: 21:32

17-01-2005 06:33

#246

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When you ally, make sure it's more advantageous for your ally to be loyal than to backstab you.

Jamski and Joncha, got any orders?

Atragon

Prince

Nov 2001
time: 00:32

17-01-2005 06:55

#247

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Very true Smiley, though I'd figured that a mutual protection pact would be a good way to carve out a strong empire early in the game. And because you've got allies to retalliate against any attack on your terrorory, you'd be pretty safe

Lord Nuclear

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Jun 2002
time: 21:32

17-01-2005 06:57

#248

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If you get too strong, no one wants to be your ally.

Jonny

Emperor

Nashville, Tennessee, USA
Nov 2000
time: 23:32

17-01-2005 06:58

#249

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Sent.

Atragon

Prince

Nov 2001
time: 00:32

17-01-2005 06:58

#250

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But if your other allies are also reaping the benefits...

Lord Nuclear

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Jun 2002
time: 21:32

17-01-2005 07:00

#251

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Except only one person can win the game.

Spaced Cowboy

Emperor

Dallas TX
Nov 2001
time: 23:32

17-01-2005 07:12

#252

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quote:
Originally posted by Jamski
Oh, and Spaced always will beat me at some point in the game That's the erm... 2543th rule!

Oh, and people always trust LJ because he's a good ally... for a few rounds... but then he is a good traitor too

-Jam

Why tempt fate, just hand over your bases now, and avoid further embarassment.

Atragon

Prince

Nov 2001
time: 00:32

17-01-2005 07:35

#253

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There is no fate but what we make. {/sarah conner}

Hercules

Emperor

in Tir Na Og
Sep 2002
time: 05:32

17-01-2005 07:38

#254

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Now in all this confusion, did I use my shield or didn't I. Are you feeling lucky?

Atragon

Prince

Nov 2001
time: 00:32

17-01-2005 07:40

#255

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Well, the missing crews of 2 of my battleships are pretty sure you did...

Lord Nuclear

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Jun 2002
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17-01-2005 07:55

#256

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Who has not sent in orders?

Atragon

Prince

Nov 2001
time: 00:32

17-01-2005 07:58

#257

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Jamski and Joncha?

Atragon

Prince

Nov 2001
time: 00:32

17-01-2005 08:20

#258

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Smiley, did you get my PM?

:) Smiley

Emperor

USCA, Berkeley
Feb 2001
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17-01-2005 09:31

#259

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Currently at 8/15

Need orders from:
Hercules
Jamski
Joncha
Kassiopeia
Skanky
Spaced
Sparrowhawk

On another note: I've gotten plenty of addendums that add on stuff like "fight to the death" or "attack whoever's there" in the last couple of turns. Should those be the defaults?

Lord Nuclear

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Jun 2002
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17-01-2005 09:44

#260

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I'm pretty sure it means just for that turn.

Kassiopeia

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Jyväskylä, Finland
Jul 2001
time: 07:32

17-01-2005 10:49

#261

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quote:
Should those be the defaults?

Yes. I think I've suggested this before. Mainly because there are SOME here who have trouble remembering to mention all that from the get-go, and SOME have to remind them to do it to prevent disasters.

Lord Nuclear

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Jun 2002
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17-01-2005 10:55

#262

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But then the same things happen. If you have it as your default, SOME people will forget that, and do things they didn't want to do.

Skanky Burns

Deity

Skanky Bastard Quartermaster
Aug 2001
time: 14:32

17-01-2005 11:41

#263

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Have the exception orders as things most people would not want most of the time. The current way is backwards, Smiley's suggestion makes things make much more sense. Unlike my previous sentence.

:) Smiley

Emperor

USCA, Berkeley
Feb 2001
time: 21:32

17-01-2005 12:25

#264

Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Concerning the two aspects:

Attack whoever's there
Reasons for attacking:
If you don't, you've wasted a turn

Reasons for not attacking:
The enemy fleet may have an OoB and composition you're not prepared for.

I like making this a default, if more people choose "attack anyone who's there", the last person to fight, thus the first to send orders, has some advantages. This means people get their orders in faster.

Jamski's original rules

quote:
If two different opponents attack at the same time without informing the GM of their alliance, then the defender must fight them consecutively, fighting first against the one who posted their orders last.
It is possible that when a player is attacked by two non-allied fleets at the same time that he loses both battles. In this case both attackers gain a base.

Further implications of fight anyone: an attacker brings more ships in case the fleet must fight twice. Defenders are more likely to be wiped out, also makes base swapping popular.

Fight to the death
Skews things in the advantage of the attacker. Attackers at worst lose their fleet, defenders get hosed completely. Whether this is a bad thing is a whole different story.
I'm not saying that FTTD should go away, but there ought to be some sort of penalty for fighting that extra round, maybe weapons are only half as powerful due to energy running low.

FTTD on the gives an advantage to those who attack first, or send orders last.

Anyway, it's a rare battle that doesn't end in six rounds.

In summary

code:


Attack anyone FTTD


First attackers Bad Good


Later attackers Good Bad


Defenders Bad Bad


Gamemaster Bad Good


Eliminated players n/a Good

For the gamemaster fight anyone means more battles to process per turn. On the other hand, fight to the death means players get eliminated faster.

Kassiopeia

Emperor

Jyväskylä, Finland
Jul 2001
time: 07:32

17-01-2005 13:10

#265

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It's just that had I mentioned FTTD last time around when in that battle against Spaced, I would have wiped him completely out. However, I have to admit that at that time to FTTD or not to FTTD was a conscious strategic decision I made, not an accidental omission.

joncha

Emperor

North of FOPOG
Jan 2003
time: 21:32

17-01-2005 13:31

#266

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Sent.

Atragon

Prince

Nov 2001
time: 00:32

17-01-2005 16:38

#267

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I'd rather they not be defaults personally.

Ljube

Emperor

Belgrade
May 2003
time: 06:32

17-01-2005 17:28

#268

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What kind of stupid arrangement was that? Mutual protection pact?

I had to prove such nonsense is impossible in Galactic Overlord.

EDIT: The only problem I had was my pride. I grossly underestimated MORON and paid dearly for that. After all pride is a mortal sin. And though I accept what befell me as a just punishment for my sin, it's the innocent I pity. My poor ally Paddy the Scot suffered the same fate and his only sin was that he trusted my judgment.