28-01-2005 08:41									#271
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quote: Originally posted by Mrs. Tuberski By the way what you said didnt fly over my head I was trying to say this whole discussion that i dont care if you smoke or are gay or are purple that you shouldnt be fired over it.

What if you are a fat man working for Hooters? Would we be all in a tizzy over that discrimination as well?

My point is when you live in a state with no such laws, your ass can be fired for not commenting on today's weather.

	28-01-2005 08:43									#272
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Ill have to remember the next time the gay crowd whines about people posting insults that's it's OK, because the religious crowd believes gays are all idiots, and that they are doing gays a favor by insulting them...

By all means, don't stop them next time. I can hold my own.

	28-01-2005 08:46									#273
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quote: Originally posted by Asher By all means, don't stop them next time. I can hold my own.

Yeah... I'll remember to respond to the complaints by telling them that you think it's OK to insult gays and if they have a problem with it, they should take it up with you

	28-01-2005 08:47									#274
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Yeah... I'll remember to respond to the complaints by telling them that you think it's OK to insult gays and if they have a problem with it, they should take it up with you

I'm seriously totally okay with that.

	28-01-2005 08:50									#275
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every smoker would have a clean urine sample in their desk drawer.

	28-01-2005 09:12									#276
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What if you are a fat man working for Hooters? Would we be all in a tizzy over that discrimination as well? My point is when you live in a state with no such laws, your ass can be fired for not commenting on today's weather.

By george I think he has finally got it. Who cares we all believe that firing of one indvidual for them smoking being gay or fat is wrong.

	28-01-2005 09:40									#277
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quote: Originally posted by Kaak ted---then how happy do you think the new workers are going to be when the old worders get to take 4 15 minute smoke breaks a day, and the new workers end up working 5 hours more each week???

Hypothetical

Is this the same as taking 4 15 minute "internet breaks" a day?

Horsie alone take 5 1 hour Intenet breaks per day!

	28-01-2005 10:22									#278
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Texans are a pretty good example. Alabama as well.

This coming from someone from Markham, Ontario.



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	28-01-2005 10:23									#279
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I'm seriously totally okay with that.

Uh, huh, you complain about people making fun of Microshaft.

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	28-01-2005 10:24									#280
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quote: Originally posted by Ted Striker Hypothetical Is this the same as taking 4 15 minute "internet breaks" a day? Horsie alone take 5 1 hour Intenet breaks per day!

But only 4 of them in the afternoon...

	28-01-2005 10:25									#281
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski This coming from someone from Markham, Ontario. ACK!

	28-01-2005 10:25									#282
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Uh, huh, you complain about people making fun of Microshaft. ACK!

I don't report the post to moderators.

	28-01-2005 10:53									#283
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I don't report the post to moderators.

Somehow I doubt that.

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	28-01-2005 10:56									#284
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I still don't get your Markham comment...

It's about the farthest thing you can get from a hick town.

Half the town barely speaks English.

	28-01-2005 10:57									#285
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Why don't they get to the root --- arrest those top people of Philip Morris, since they knowingly put people in danger. That should put an end to this.

	28-01-2005 11:10									#286
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I still don't get your Markham comment... It's about the farthest thing you can get from a hick town. Half the town barely speaks English.

Ummm ever been to San Antonio?

No, it didn't go over my head.



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	28-01-2005 11:12									#287
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It's in the middle of Texas.

'nuff said.

	28-01-2005 11:37									#288
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I like San Antonio... es beuno... mui beuno... y lika'

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	28-01-2005 11:59									#289
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quote: Originally posted by Asher It's in the middle of Texas. 'nuff said.

Markham is in the middle of......nowhere.

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	28-01-2005 20:05									#290
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quote: Originally posted by Tuberski Markham is in the middle of......nowhere. ACK!

It's a few minutes north of a small town named Toronto, and is part of the Greater Toronto Area...

	28-01-2005 20:47									#291
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quote: Originally posted by Asher I know I sure as hell hate knowing I'm paying tons of money to pay for the health care of morons who still smoke in Canada.

Get off that high horse. You know damn well that smoker paid many, many, many times his health care costs in taxes. I'm not talking about the taxes everyone pays either I'm just talking about the sin taxes which smokers and drinkers have to pay.

	28-01-2005 20:51									#292
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Get off that high horse. You know damn well that smoker paid many, many, many times his health care costs in taxes. I'm not talking about the taxes everyone pays either I'm just talking about the sin taxes which smokers and drinkers have to pay.

According to studies linked in this very thread, the sin taxes aren't nearly enough.

We haven't even touched on the intangibles, such as the problem of waiting lists for treatment in Canada -- resources are being sucked up by smokers getting cancer, and it's not just money.

	28-01-2005 20:54									#293
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quote: Originally posted by Ming While nobody would argue that smoking is a good thing to do, "SOMEBODY" called smokers morons because of the COST to himself, which as the study points out, is probably not true...

They are morons because they fill their lungs full of smoke on purpose. That's all it takes to get put on the Moron List.....



to seeing smokers huddled around a tree out in the parking lot trying to get the fix.

	28-01-2005 20:58									#294
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quote: Originally posted by Asher According to studies linked in this very thread, the sin taxes aren't nearly enough.

Hmmm... here is what the study said...

quote: The authors found that smokers’ costs to society are less than generally believed -- about $1.44 of the $40-per-pack total -- when costs to the smoker’s family are not included. "The reason the number is low is that for private pensions, Social Security, and Medicare -- the biggest factors in calculating costs to society -- smoking actually saves money," Sloan said. "Smokers die at a younger age and don’t draw on the funds they’ve paid into those systems." Using this figure, some economists might suggest that cigarette excise taxes in many states already are high enough to recover society’s portion of the cost of smoking.

So get your facts straight

	28-01-2005 21:03									#295
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Yep, smokers die much earlier, meaning we don't have to pay as much for them as we do for those that live to old age.

	28-01-2005 21:07									#296
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quote: Originally posted by Ming Hmmm... here is what the study said... So get your facts straight

You tried to play that trick already. Post the entire context:

quote: But when the combined costs to society and to other family members are considered ($6.88 per pack), one might conclude instead that excise taxes are far too low, Sloan said. Given the high costs and adverse effects of smoking on individuals, it is "remarkable," the authors conclude, that funds from the 1998 settlement involving 46 state attorneys’ general and major tobacco manufacturers largely are not being spent on smoking-cessation or related programs. Many states are using the funds to cover budget deficits or, as in North Carolina, on economic development in tobacco communities

Also:

http://www.wmitchell.edu/tobaccolaw.../HealthCare.pdf

• Medical costs attributable to smoking comprise
6 to 9% of the total national healthcare budget.8
• Every pack of cigarettes sold creates more than
$7 in medical care expenses and lost productivity.3
• For every smoker who quits, $1,623 is saved
annually in healthcare costs alone.9
• Smokers tend to have more hospital admissions,
take longer to recover from illness and injury,
have higher outpatient healthcare costs, and
have lower birthweight babies

	28-01-2005 21:17									#297
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Damn I knew smokers were sensitive but after reading this thread they beat the hell out of any other group I know of.

	28-01-2005 21:19									#298
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I posted what was relevent...

quote: Given the high costs and adverse effects of smoking on individuals, it is "remarkable," the authors conclude, that funds from the 1998 settlement involving 46 state attorneys’ general and major tobacco manufacturers largely are not being spent on smoking-cessation or related programs. Many states are using the funds to cover budget deficits or, as in North Carolina, on economic development in tobacco communities

The part I left out shows the states are getting the money, but it is THERE choice to spend it on something else... and are misusing the money. The point is that the states aren't spending the money they were given to attempt to set up programs to help people stop or not start in the first place.

	28-01-2005 21:24									#299
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No, what this thread shows is the raw hatred of smokers by non-smokers. If the same hatred was shown towards their group, they complain. But it's ok to hate smokers because they choose to smoke. Pretty pathetic. It stopped being a choice many years ago. I've tried to quit many times. I would choose not to smoke, but it is a strong addiction and I have not been strong enough. Instead of showing sympathy, some choose hate. It's disgusting.

	28-01-2005 21:30									#300
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quote: Originally posted by Ming It's still discrimination... when people call gays stupid, disgusting, morons, and many other equally bad names, you are the first to jump on your high horse and scream discrimination and call people homophobes... but when you do it against smokers... it's ok and fair. Right... you're a hypocrit, pure and simple. You are all for discrimination unless it's against you... while that might seem right and fair to you... it isn't! You can try to justify it all you want... but it's still discrimination.

You know, most companies only hire people if they have certain qualifications, and if they aren't capable of doing the job, they get fired!!!

Not all discrimination is created equal. Discrimination = making a choice.