01-07-2005 19:08									#91
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AM and LB have declared neutrality in this war, and I guess some sort of a mutual protection pact. I say that we acknowledge this, priase them for taking the high road, and look towards a peaceful future with our neighbors.

What say you?

	12-07-2005 07:48									#92
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Rec'd via PM from Krill today:

quote: Hi Beta, Sorry that I missed you this weekend. FYI, I will be available today, from about 14:00 BST (an hour from now) until about 23:00 BST. I'll be on MSN, (killerkrill@msn.com, if I have not told you yet), or we can meet via mIRC, if that is preferable for you. Krill

	12-07-2005 08:50									#93
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I'm still smirking at BigFurryMonster's quip....

	15-07-2005 05:10									#94
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WE need to find out what AM is doing while BoH is attacking Euph.

E_T

	15-07-2005 07:35									#95
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Sent to Krill and Omuzd via e0mail...

quote: Guess that name was somewhat prophetic. If we had doubts in our friends before now - we have no question today. In case you have not heard - BOH, after carefully orchestrating a plan where Euphorica and ourselves committed troops against DR (and Euphorica by far the larger force), have attacked Euphorica with no prior warning, and from what we can see, no cause. World stability - or what there was , continues to crumble. Babylon entered into the alliance with BOH and Euphorica on uneasy terms to begin with. The general principle was not in keeping with our civilization's stated goals, but a strong case had been made regarding the aggression and danger of Desolation row. It is clear to us now that we made a mistake - and that the allianec was ill advised. Ironically, the main benefit of the alliance was that Euphorica and Babylon were able to convince BOH to back off their aggression against you. We would now seriously like to engage in discussions to forming a stronger alliance with Ankh Morpork to our mutual benefit. We are also talking with the Lost Boys and Lord Nosferatu, our neighbour to the east. We could form a strong and stabilizing block in this uncertain world. We also need to discuss the luxuries at the centre of the continent. Your horse is blocking our settler. We can discuss the provision of the second luxury to AM for a very good price. We also have the tech of feudalism - which we can start discussions about. It looks like we should chat as Krill has suggested. Can you please advise if you are available - or should we do this via e-mail. Looking forward to hearing from you. Sincerely - Beta of Babylon.

	15-07-2005 20:44									#96
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good job beta.

	15-07-2005 21:10									#97
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I hope this works out. You opened with them very well Beta. I agree, good job.

	15-07-2005 21:32									#98
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I just hope they answer this time.

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I have been reading Krill's posts. I don't trust AM. He seems too pro BOH.

	16-07-2005 22:44									#100
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Krill PM'ed me (just got it, not online due to HarryPotter, until now) and here is the PM and my responce.

quote: Krill wrote on 16-07-2005 10:03: Hi ET, Can you meet me today in MSN: killerkrill@msn.com or in IRC chat please? I would like to discuss the events of the last few days in the C3CDG. Krill

quote: I don't do M$N, but I will be in IRC. I've set up a private Room, on the CivIRC Server, #Bab_AM_Emb with password of 'welcome'. This way, anyone else can be also join us. I'll let our team know, so that they can see about being there, too. Around what time might you show up?? E_T

And I'm in that room, noone there as of yet. just slap me around a few timew to get my attention, if someone shows up

E_T

	17-07-2005 01:26									#101
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Krill is now in chat.

E_T

	17-07-2005 03:45									#102
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Sorry, E_T I kept on getting kicked off. I'll read the last part when you post the transcript

	17-07-2005 04:36									#103
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- Talked about a border agreement, hammered out details to be discussed, maybe futher negitiated and ratified by each team. Details Currently are:
1) we don't build NI (they want all of the game tiles, but cold go with one less, if we get it culturally)
2) they build 1 city at 2-1 from Unreal Estate (UE)
3) we can build Incensity at 6-6 of UE, but that we don't have a culture build fiished until they get one built in EU (will send us further details on Est time of completion for that).
4) we send them the other Incense.
5) any culture flip that might happen, would be refused by the other team.
[EDIT]
6) our line of settlement would extend, 1-1-1 from Felinicity, then due west from there. They want 2 spots down there:
a) 2-2-1-1-1-1 from Home, with all 21 tiles, including fish tile
b) 2-1-1 from Treacle Mile Road
[/edit]

- Discussed Implications of BoH actions, includng giving them some of our Intel and analysis. Currently, their stance is to wait, not pi$$-off BoH and see. We need to work on that more. Also that they or DR might go after LB soon.

- Possible MPP with them.

- Possible Lux trade: Silks for Spices. Told him that it will be a little while, as we have already promices one of the 2 extra silks for LB.

- Possible Tech deal, with tem funding our tech research effort, with at least 30 GPT (currenlty, would get us Eng in 17 turns). Told that we were going to lower path, but that might change, depending on what we find out from DR. [2nd EDIT] Part of deal, would be sending them Feudalism[/edit]

I'll post the chatlog soon. Will also be sending it to Krill.

E_T

Last edited by E_T on 17-07-2005 at 04:42

	17-07-2005 05:14									#104
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quote: * Krill has joined #Bab_AM_Emb [Krill> Hi ET [E_T> hey [E_T> I was reading Harry Potter & the Half blood prince.... [E_T> let me pos that your here, but I think that we might not have anyone else show up for a while, forum seems dead at moment [E_T> posted. [E_T> So, how can I be of assistance? * E_T sets mode: +o Krill [E_T> and please be pateint, if I don't respond for a time and then get timed out [E_T> as my house phone wireing is not that good and I sometimes loose connection, when it rains (as it''s doing just now) * Looking up Krill user info... [E_T> hello?? [Krill> Sorry for the delay, I was just a bit busy [E_T> NP [Krill> there are two things [Krill> one is BOH [Krill> and the other is your setler north of Lake Istar [E_T> I have been semi incommunicotto for last day, because of Harry Potter, but I think that you have concerns? [E_T> yeah, 2 things that was not set up before hand [Krill> both of the above are our concerns. [E_T> Lets talk about the settler first [Krill> I take it that you are going to settle the incense? [Krill> Our problem with that is not that you have control of the incense, but rather the game tile to the north [E_T> Wen Ihad joined the team, in 1450BC turnplay, I was under the impression that we had soe form of border agreement (due to the placements of Felinicity and TMR) [E_T> and when you had built Unreal Estate, I found out that that was not true [Krill> we never had any border agreement. Beta chose not to negoiate, IIRC [E_T> I didn't read all of the stuff prior, so I wasn't fully informed or I would have asked for us to get more involved with you all about it [Krill> He said that there was an obvious border. The mountains to the northeast of Felinicity are what we understood to be the border [E_T> actually, being a nussence about it, as Babylon IS a democracy [Krill> I agree, it would have been better if we could have got a border proposal out [Krill> We are democracy as well. But a democracy of two [E_T> but the TNA events overshadowed all of that and it was put onto the back burner, so to say [Krill> yes, they were overshadowing the game. [E_T> Anyways, My Impression, before I was corrected on this, by city placements, was that our furtherest line of settlement, NESW was at Felinicity and yours was TMR [Krill> Well, I can say that that is completely unacceptable. [Krill> You can probably see that the continent is a rough circle [E_T> and there had already been plans in the works, before I had joined, for atleast one more city to the NE of Feli, again feeding my assumption on this [E_T> with each of is getting a 'peice of the pie' so to speek, yeah [Krill> yes, I could not remember if the word was segment or sector, and I know one of those is wrong [Krill> give me a moment to boot up civ [E_T> and again, that also led me to beleave that there had been an agreement, to that effect [E_T> sure [Krill> OK, lets start over, and try to iron out an agreement no. I understand that neither of us can speak for the team, but we can get close to an idea [E_T> sound good to me [Krill> neither of us is going to cede land to the other. [SNIP] Personal Computer things removed [E_T> anyways... [E_T> Northeast of Filicity, we are limited on terrain, for placing cities [Krill> southeast, you have enough space for 5 coastal cities. [Krill> at a push [E_T> yeah, but it's also good te establich your borders, too [Krill> and that means? [Krill> sorry, I meant south west [E_T> as we have a border agrement with LB, and have already set our cities over that way, our team was getting the northern border set before moving west (less travel time, ect) [Krill> 'K [E_T> and frankly, we were worryed about 2 things [E_T> your embassy with us, on 1450BC and your Rop with BoH [E_T> so, it was important to us, to establish that north part before moving west [E_T> and we now see that the RoP has expired [E_T> but had already sent the settler out to that loaction [Krill> well, what are you going to do with the settler? [E_T> but anyways, the terrain was also influincing our city choices [E_T> that is still in debate, partly because of BoH [Krill> well, is it south, or east of Unreal Estate [E_T> and partly because we do want to get a border agreement with you, too [E_T> we had one planned, before UE was built, for 2-2 of where UE is now [E_T> and 2 choices for the Incense site [Krill> 22 is out of the question for econ reasons, so what are the other 2 choices? [E_T> again, when I had looked at and took over planning for them, I was under impression that we had already worked out something [E_T> one was 6-6 of UE, other was 6-6-3 [E_T> for the Incence [Krill> 663 is perfectly fine by us [Krill> 66, no way, unless we got a concession somehere else. [E_T> and of cource, settling at 2-2 of UE would cause a problem, but at time, we didn't know what your relationship to BoH was and really didn't persue it [E_T> well, part of the consessions would be exclusive use of the 2nd Incense [Krill> however, we would like to place a city 22 of UE, but not build culture there, so long as you promised to refuse any culture flips [Krill> problem with 66 is that we want all of the game tiles within reach of UE [E_T> that, I beleave, is also a concern of ours [Krill> well, then, lets haggle [E_T> not the game, although, the site at 6-6 does give us more growth potenial [E_T> First off, before haggleing, WHAT is your stance on BoH? esp in light of recent events? [Krill> they can't really be trusted. [E_T> we agree [Krill> they could sell us techs at reall low prices, gift us there treasury, and still would not trust them [E_T> we also feel that, withi a short time, they will win this game, if something isn't done about it, likely by all of us [E_T> they are now at peace with DR and likely in a tech agreement [E_T> DR has Mono, we have Feud [E_T> BoH was supposed to get Feud from us, but we are awaitig their 'evidence' against Euph before commiting to that [E_T> but with both, they are a short step away from Chiv [E_T> and with DR in GA, they will likely get it quickly [Krill> hence Keshics. [E_T> and all they have to do, is get just 1 upgraded, trigger GA and use the cash from that to upgrade rest [E_T> and end of game [E_T> they have manipulated events, to sow distrust amonst the other nations and all they have to do is pick us off, one at a time [E_T> and the game would be over before 1/3 of MA has even passed [Krill> that would be quite a feat. [E_T> it is within reason [E_T> you DO know, that just their Capitol is capable of producing 2 turn Horsemen, besides the 5 turn AC's [Krill> Yes. [Krill> I have known for quite a while [E_T> and they have a LARGE Horseman Army, along with scattering of others? [Krill> Yes, I know. [E_T> and we just recently learned, that they wanted Feud for the Gov, not specifically for any upgrades [E_T> which, means that they plan of going in a conquoring fest very, very soon [E_T> because of Unit costs in Feud, they will need LOTS of cities to support their huge Army [Krill> wrong assumption [E_T> as for conssecions, how about this, we get you into MA and maybe, get you Feud, too [Krill> In Fued, if you have lots of TOWNs you can support lots of units [E_T> small towns, yes [Krill> We are already in the MA [E_T> but they don't have lots of them [E_T> yet [E_T> Ah, just this last turn, I see [E_T> who did you get the tech from, If I can ask? [Krill> EU [Krill> who did you get construction and currency of? [Krill> off [E_T> BoH, was supposed to send Free tech immediately, which was Feud, but with DR being in MA and having Mono, it was prudent to wait, sent unaccepted [E_T> but then, BoH backstabbed Euph [E_T> and their 'evidence' doesn't hold much water [E_T> as their 'advance' towards DR was delayed, intenionally, by a move that got them 1 turn later than they had "planned" [E_T> also, they got currency, 1 turn later than planned, happened same time * Shogun_Gunner has joined #Bab_AM_Emb [Shogun_Gunner> Greetings. [E_T> so, that also shows that they had no intention, 2 turns ago, of making that attack [E_T> also, allowed us to get into position to enter the war. [E_T> hey [Krill> Hi SG [Shogun_Gunner> Hi E_T [Shogun_Gunner> Hi Krill * E_T sets mode: +o Shogun_Gunner [E_T> discussing Settler & BoH [Shogun_Gunner> good. thanks for posting the notice ET [E_T> hole on, let me catch him up o discussions [E_T> SG, if you don't see it, you have the stuff in a private window [E_T> and while he reads that, I'll go have a potty breakand empty my ashtray, BRB [Shogun_Gunner> thanks...i'm about halfway through reading... [E_T> back [Shogun_Gunner> done reading [Krill> restart [Shogun_Gunner> starting civ, hope i don't blow up Firefox... [E_T> minimize screens first, helps [Shogun_Gunner> because i'm lazy... we are still at 1250, right? [Krill> yep [E_T> 1275, haven't played yet [Shogun_Gunner> ah [Krill> you have held the turn for quite a while [Shogun_Gunner> yes, we received a notice about that... [E_T> Iwas getting soe orders ready when this chat started [Krill> the last save I have is 1275, and as we are last in the play list, you should have 1250 BC [E_T> part of that is because yesterday was Kloreep's B-day [Shogun_Gunner> yes, you are right Krill 1250 [Krill> that is a good reason for a delay [E_T> and he maily plays the turn [E_T> and then, there was the 'evidence' that BoH was supposed to post, publically, still haven;t checked if they did [E_T> and I had RL stuff, including Harry Potter.... hehe [Shogun_Gunner> evidence is stretching the definition of the word [E_T> hence the quotes [Shogun_Gunner> ah [E_T> trumped up work of fiction.... [E_T> te be more accurate [Krill> so far they have not posted anything because you have requested that they don't post it. That cuts both ways. [E_T> bulshit [Shogun_Gunner> i wasn't aware that they haven't posted yet... [E_T> we ASKED for them to post publically [Shogun_Gunner> that is true [E_T> they just recently sent the stuff via e-mail [E_T> if their cause is just, as tey proport, thenshow the world [E_T> but they can't really do that, as it would just show the world how muchtey can't truely be trusted [Krill> OK, I understand what you are saying. Is there anything else that you wish to say? [Shogun_Gunner> yes [E_T> well, lets work on the border again [E_T> first off, we wouldn't like you to have a city at 2-2 of UE [E_T> we feel that would be encrouching too much [E_T> and obviously, we can;t put out city at 2-2 of UE [E_T> so, how about this, we pit out city at 2-3-3 of UE and still keep the Insence site at 6-6, with exclusive right to the second Incense [E_T> AND, if there is any culture flipping issues, we both refuse [Krill> so, you get two cites, and we get none? [Krill> sorry, but no. [E_T> then how about a no mans land, between UE and the lake, you don't put a city there, either and we won't [Krill> what about a city at 21 of UE, and you put your city 66 [E_T> let me look [Shogun_Gunner> interesting... [Krill> and no culture would be built in UE21 [Krill> until LI had built and established it's own culture [E_T> Hmmm, 2-2 would be better, I think [E_T> less cultural confluaces [Shogun_Gunner> our city is at 66 from UE? [E_T> besides, the 2-1 would be on the FP, less food for yuou [Krill> something that we would require is that your city 66 of UE does not build any culture until we had built some culture in UE [Krill> 21 is plains [Krill> just bog standard normal plains [E_T> as you said, we can have part of this, that we refuse any culture flips [Krill> yep, that should feature in any border [E_T> and it's hard to plan for something that we don't know would occure, either [E_T> Oh, sorry, I was thinking 2-3, not 2-1, my bad... [Shogun_Gunner> Seems like there may be agreement between us -- but approvals would be required I would assume [Krill> yes, approvals need to be gained from both sides, and something official written [Krill> and signed.

E_T

	17-07-2005 05:15									#105
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quote: [E_T> So, that is the Northeast part, now, lets talk west of Felinicity [E_T> south and west, that is [Krill> what do you want from that area? [E_T> basically, moving 1-1-1 from Fel, then due west, but that is negotiable [E_T> as you were saying: [Krill> southeast, you have enough space for 5 coastal cities. [E_T> [Krill> at a push [Krill> well, we want a city at Helio 211, with all 21 tiles. [Krill> that fitis in with your border. [Krill> fits [Shogun_Gunner> I'm sorry, where is "Helio 211"? [E_T> Where is Helio at, can't see it [Krill> Heliopolis [E_T> likely 1-1-1 of Home [Krill> and another city at TMR 211 [Krill> Home 221111 [Krill> and Home 22222 [Shogun_Gunner> i think helio is 211 of Home [E_T> sounds ggood [Krill> yeah, Helio is 211 of Home [E_T> In FoW [E_T> 2 tiles of FoW, bt FoW [Shogun_Gunner> right, both sites seem okay [E_T> and you get the fish, because you siad all 21 tiles [E_T> that would be with Culture expansion [Shogun_Gunner> and TMR211 fits with the first border proposal made by E_T [E_T> yep [Krill> yes, need the fish with the desert [Shogun_Gunner> agreed [E_T> Now, that we have that, and I think that our team can deal with all of particulars, stilleed to ask one thing before we move on [E_T> [Krill> something that we would require is that your city 66 of UE does not build any culture until we had built some culture in UE [E_T> when do you estimate that that culture would be finished in it's build? [Krill> not long. [E_T> so that we don't go and do something that speed our own before yours is up and running [Krill> before you could build a temple normally [E_T> so that we don't unitentionally violate the agreement [Krill> so long as you don't rush anything, you should be OK [E_T> We know that your in Anarchy, but when you get out, can you send us more accurate estimates, so that we can plan accordingly? [Krill> yes, we can do that [E_T> good, we will send our proposal to our teams [E_T> now, BoH [E_T> what are your plans towards them? [E_T> I know that, especially after all that has happened, that trust in us has greatly declined [E_T> but we would like to make ammends, esp in light of the hightened treat of BoH [E_T> the fact that they are now at peace with DR, have only attacked 1 EU city and moved their main forces else where, they are either coming for Us, you or LB [E_T> or a combo of those [Krill> Don't piss of BOH. Golden rule of this game [Shogun_Gunner> that's hard to do...breathing could do it [E_T> well, doing that, we very much suspect, will let them win [E_T> truth be told, they need to be taken entirely from the feild of play [Krill> Not pissing them off does not mean letting them walk all over us [E_T> or all is lost, for everyone [E_T> So, in light of that policy, what are you plans? [E_T> for one thing, when we don't send them Feud, they will definately come for us [Shogun_Gunner> we understand you must be very careful of them, considering the shared border, prior war... [E_T> then you'll be surrounded by them and cut off from others [E_T> Or, with your MPP with LB, they might go for you while DR goes for LB [Krill> Build up Empire, getting the barracks down, and start pumping the WC and spear, and cats. [E_T> and we really don't know what they promiced DR for the peace [E_T> bight not have enough time [E_T> and would you be interested in a MPP with us? [Shogun_Gunner> theirs some suspicion that there was not really any war between BoH and DR -- planned events to give appearances [E_T> and forwarding of BoH troop movements? [Krill> Between DR and BOH, I did not see any battles. We have scouts in that area [E_T> that allowed them to draw out and destry the main Euph forces [E_T> and Euph was BoHmain compeditor with UU's,both in Chiv [Shogun_Gunner> Euph is marginalized now [Shogun_Gunner> what will they do with that army now? [E_T> euph is essentially dead [E_T> they havesaid as much themselves [Krill> Euphorica have lost a single town. [E_T> and they really, really trusted BoH [E_T> Euph lost their only Iron [Krill> It was their only iron source, but that means that they are more likely to take sides with who ever offers iron [E_T> and they don't have horses [Krill> they don't have horses connected. [E_T> part of their reason for going after DR, it would seem, that and DR's diplomacy [Krill> horses are at Nirvana 21 [E_T> well, it's not conected [Krill> that is a slight difference to "Don't have" [E_T> they were concentrating on helping BoH with alliance things, it would seem [E_T> still, they don't currently have it, don't have any built and it takes time to build them, once connected [E_T> all things that they admit to being able to do [E_T> they counted on BoH's main leaders PBEM rep to keep them warm and fuzzy at night [Krill> The only reason Euphorica are about to die is that they did not co ordinate their attack with BOH, and that they burnt their brdges with DR [E_T> they didn't suspect that they would be backstabbed like this, with all of their agreements washed away with one surprise attack [E_T> foolish of them, admitingly [E_T> some of our people were doing the same thing [Krill> Paranoia is good [E_T> until I joined and smelled something rotten waifing over from BoH [E_T> that and the occasional Ribbintop style diplomacy from Paddy set off huge warning signs, for me [E_T> I was largely ignored, until recently.... [Krill> well, that happens in demogames with large teams [E_T> and any Intel that you can send us, would also help and we will recipricate [E_T> and we have likely told you alot already, this chat session [E_T> and frankly, for a time, we thought that you had become BoH's vassel, with the RoP and all [Krill> We might be down, but we surely ain't out of it [E_T> good to here that, at least, our efforts on your behalf have been fruitfull [E_T> also, one last thing, technologies [E_T> seeing that your now in MA, what are your plans, along that line? [Krill> pikes are always nice [Krill> and sistines and leos are always thought of [E_T> We do have a strong economy and cheap Libs. But, as we are still building stuff, we are lacking in cashflow [E_T> would you be interested, in possibly funding our research efforts? * Shogun_Gunner has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [Krill> maybe [Krill> right now, though, Anarchy stops us from getting any estimates on what we can send, and what we have to keep [E_T> our current plan, before everything had happened, was to work the bottom tech path, Eng-Inv-Gun, ect [Krill> now you want to go for chiv? [E_T> but with foundig of new cities in question and everything else, we aren't certain [E_T> don't know, we might, if they aren't working with BoH, work out something for them to go for Chiv [E_T> but we are still working on it * Shogun_Gunner has joined #Bab_AM_Emb [E_T> and with the uncertanty of if they are now working with them or now, we don't know [E_T> and IF they ARE working with them, it even is more treatening to the rest of us [Krill> sorry, GF is on the phone. [E_T> hehe, lets take a break and I'll catch SG back up [Krill> OK [E_T> say my name when you get back * Shogun_Gunner has quit IRC (Ping timeout) [Krill> ha [Krill> ET [E_T> sorry, was outside [Krill> no problem [E_T> Oh, I had one question, that I had thought of, while outside, about the border [E_T> your putting the city at EU 2-1 [E_T> and we are putting the city at EU 6-6 [Krill> look at the tiles [Krill> look at what we gave up [Krill> I don't mind putting the south city at UE 21, as we don't lose much [E_T> yah, just wondering about us still havig one at EU 2-2-1, but you said you wanted that one game, NP then [Krill> I personally don't like the city at UE 66. I would rather grant you the city site at TMR 221, and us have the Incense city, giving you the incense for the rest of the game [E_T> just forgot that part, so NM [Krill> UE 221 is a mountain [E_T> yep [E_T> Just didn't want to have a 'little' finger out there, but it will likely be a bit more defenseable,overall [E_T> SG, you still with us? [E_T> Hmm, we lost him again [Krill> piung timeout a while ago [E_T> didn't see, was sending him stuff [E_T> No, outside [E_T> oh well... [E_T> anyways, techs, what plans and deals have you already worked out, so that we can try to work out a concerted plan? [Krill> no idea. [E_T> well, you just went into Anarchy, right? [Krill> yep [E_T> would it be better for you to go into Feud or Monarchy gov? [Krill> Well, let me see [E_T> because, if we work out some form of tech deal, maybe with you suplimenting our research, we could send you feud this turn and you could cange to that the next turn [Krill> Fued would be better from a upkeep perspective, I agree [Krill> What would you require from such a tech partnership [E_T> Yah, and you can cash rush with Monarchy [Krill> you cash as well for that [E_T> We could get Eng in 17 turns, but at -21 GPT [E_T> but then, we also have a fairly high unit cost that will be geting higher as we build Mil Units (in anticipation of BoH war) and workers [E_T> and our city foundings are behid that curve [E_T> so, something like 30 GPT would be a start, I think [E_T> with exclusive rights to the tech, as soon as finished [E_T> I know we have lots of Rivers and you all have somewhat the same [E_T> and it;s a pain moving units while dealing with that [Krill> Don't I know that [E_T> Oh, what do yu know of the Barbs out to our west, we only seen one stack of 8 [Krill> that is all we know of as well [E_T> k, didn't know if you had seen more [E_T> seen 16 over close to DR land [E_T> and BoH was tellig us that they got hit, too [E_T> which in hinesight, is good [Krill> 17 next to BOH [Krill> got a scout up there. [Krill> we got scouts everywhere. [E_T> What are your plans for the extra spices that you have [Krill> whoever offers the best, gets them [Krill> so who ever connects to our roads first wins, really [E_T> well, it would be nice to trade you Silks for them, but will still be a while before we get last of them connected up [E_T> we already have deal with LB for one of our other silks [E_T> and will be sending you the Incense as part of this border deal [Krill> if it gets passed. [E_T> yep, please tell tem, that we still can settle at 6-6-3 from EU, although it really hampers that city and would have to get Culture ASAP to grow [E_T> but would still send the incense, but my team might want somthing else in return for that compramize [Krill> we'll chat about that latter. [Krill> well, it is getting late here, and I still have stuff to do, so I had better be off. [E_T> let me summerize before you go [Krill> Oh, and would you be so kind to send me the log file of the chat? [E_T> -Border agrement, to be ratified by the individual teams, maybe with some tweeking [E_T> yeah, send me your e-mail addy [E_T> -Mutual concerns about BoH, with a possible MPP between us, although you don't want to (currently) "piss them off" [E_T> -Possible trade of Silks for Spices [Krill> chris@jackos.f2s.com [E_T> -Possible tech deal, with us giving you Feud, and you giving us atleast 30 GPT, with you geting excluse first rights to tech (withother details to be worked out) [Krill> When are you going to send the save? [E_T> -Possible Intel & Troop Momentments of both BoH and DR [E_T> soon, I hope [E_T> and that seems to be what was covered, unless you can think of everything else? [E_T> where do you live? [Krill> England [E_T> Ah, Centr Florida, here [Krill> I hope you have a good evening then [E_T> but you don't need Feud for Gov change, so we can wait a turn with sending that, while we get all of this all set up [E_T> later then, I'll send this to you shortly, will be edited for proper posting on poly [Krill> Ok, thank you * Krill has quit IRC (Quit: )

Sent chatlog to Krill, via e-mail

E_T

	17-07-2005 08:57									#106
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E_T - brilliant!

Krill was looking to chat with me - but my parents are in town, and this is the first on-line time I have had. Great work on all aspects. I get a good feeling from the chat. Did you get the same sense?

So - nix my statement in the other thread about not settling Incensity.

And we need to talk to 1889. Maybe with Krill. The WNA - Western Nations Alliance.

	17-07-2005 09:00									#107
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I'm not sure they would be a fan of adopting the old TNA name to the purpose. Perhaps call it a Defense Pact.

And I agree on the idea of signing MPPs with AM and LB. Definitely with LB; AM, as the likely front for BOH expansion if Euphorica goes, might be as much a liability as a help, frankly.

	17-07-2005 09:20									#108
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OK - how about the WNDP - western Nations defence pact.

Or a public broadcasting station on the mid-west.

	18-07-2005 23:19									#109
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Great job E_T. It's good to see that AM wants to work with on. The border deal looks good.

I haven't read the entire chat but read the summary. Great Job! Do you want to be the AM Ambassador?

	18-07-2005 23:59									#110
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OK - read it over lunch. It all looks good. Krill is willing to work on all matters. Sign this deal and we have a firm peace to the north.

	19-07-2005 16:39									#111
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From Krill ...

quote: Hi Beta, Can you meet me today in MSN or in IRC chat please? I would like to discuss the deal where we fund your research. I have sent 30 gold accepted this turn, to show you that we want to work with you. Krill

	19-07-2005 17:23									#112
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Very promising.

	19-07-2005 18:17									#113
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I got the same thing, my reply was

quote: Re: C3CDG * E_T Yawns, stretches and scratches his a$$.... Sorry, Just woke up. I Can't be there, but I think that someone else might be able to be there. I work 10+ hour days, from 11:00am EDT to 9:30pm EDT. The only good thing about it is, is that I have 3 day weekends.... I'll post and let someone else get with you. But 30 also sounds good. any word as to the border agrement? As far as I can see, we love it. E_T

* E_T goes off to make his morning pot of coffee now....

E_T

	19-07-2005 18:34									#114
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E_T - understood. Enjoy your coffee. I did not have time over breakfast today. Now at work.

	19-07-2005 19:41									#115
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I've setup a Room on CivIRC. It's #Bab_AM_Emb with a password of 'talks'

If I'm not there, just set the password and make the room secret.

I also have a room for Euph, #Babemb with password 'bloodyhell', if we need that today, too.

* E_T is off to work....

E_T

	19-07-2005 22:22									#116
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Ok - I responded to Krill. Now that we have a solid contact with him, I don't want to lose that. My response:

quote: Krill - would love to but I am at work now - and I did not have time this morning. E_T is also off at work. (gets in the way of serious business, doesn't it. ) We would love to have the discussion and agree on a plan. You should also know that your chat with E_T on the weekend was very warmly received back in Babylon. We should work on finalizing some of the details, although you and E_T did a great job of resolving most of the points. I will have to check back with him to see if there was anything left to discuss. What times (gmt) are you available for chat. E_T and I and the others will knowck heads and see who can be available when. regards ...Beta of Babylon

	19-07-2005 23:52									#117
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I can be available after 8pm CT.

	20-07-2005 00:15									#118
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I'm probably not going to be able to make a chat today, but we'll see. Someone else needs to take point in any case.

	20-07-2005 04:11									#119
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Don't think it will be an issue anyway.

quote: I'll be around for the next 4 hours, to start a chat, but any chat starting after that time is going to be cut short by me falling a sleep. Any other details, should, I think, be left for the chat. I'll be on MSN all eveing, but if you want to chat via mIRC, can you please tell me soon? And the room that ET set up last time should work. Krill

I think Krill is in England. That came in around 1:30 pm edt, which is aroind 6:30pm their time. Hmm.. that may limit us to weekend chats.

	20-07-2005 05:52									#120
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It sounded like E_T and Krill had a pretty good deal drafted. Why not distill what is in the chat above, send it to him for approval or to mark up, he sends it back and we sign off?