01-08-2005 11:29									#181
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It's true, death seems to be about the only other choice.

	02-08-2005 10:47									#182
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the above Email has just now been sent to to Krill of AM.

E_T

	03-08-2005 04:31									#183
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Got this from Krill.

quote: Hey, Kloreep, would it be possible for us to chat in MSN or mIRC and try to get the peace treaty hammered out asap. killerkrill@msn.com, or #Bab_AM_Emb, no password, CivIRC server Krill

If I go I'll simply tell him what he can do with himself. I suggest someone else deal with any vassalization negotiations.

	03-08-2005 05:35									#184
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Somebody needs to do it.

	03-08-2005 05:38									#185
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When can Krill talk on EST? I might be able to do it if our schedules match.

	03-08-2005 05:38									#186
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Ok email sent.

	03-08-2005 05:39									#187
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If you got it Hercules, that's cool

	03-08-2005 05:39									#188
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My email simply said hello what do you propose?

Hi Krill,

Almost all of the Babylonians are on Hols or whatever.

If E_T doesn’t respond,

What do you have in mind

Bowman Hercules

	03-08-2005 05:44									#189
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Very good

Put the onus on him to put forward onerous terms.

	03-08-2005 08:34									#190
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Krill was in Chat, but I was at work. He sent me an PM, I replyed that we'll try to catch up with them tomorrow.

I might play our turn before then, I really don't know. But if I do, I'll send all of our cash to LB. Maybe we can keep bouncing it back and forth between us and AM won't know how much we have.

E_T

	03-08-2005 19:21									#191
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It was very late, when I had talked to Krill, here is the Chatlog

quote: [03:09] [Krill> ET, are you still awake? [03:10] [E_T> I was just about to go to bed, but I'm still here [03:10] * E_T sets mode: +o Krill [03:18] [Krill> Well, I have not discussed anyhting with Ormuzd [03:18] [Krill> but I can give you a vague outline of what we would require from a peace trety [03:19] [E_T> I've been relaxing after a long day at work, so I didn't get around to playing the save [03:19] [Krill> that is for the best [03:19] [Krill> to be honest with you [03:20] [Krill> Well, this is what we would need: Kyrra (your horse city) [03:20] [Krill> Kurra [03:20] [Krill> Hooka [03:20] [Krill> Inannas' Throne [03:20] [E_T> why? [03:20] [Krill> and Babyln. [03:20] [Krill> Because we came for the land [03:20] [Krill> That is the reason for the attack [03:20] [Krill> we just need the land to carry on expansion [03:21] [E_T> that really doesn't leave us with that much, if we are to be vassels [03:22] [Krill> we would leave you with the coastal cities to the south, and we would cede to you the two city sites to the south of Helio and TMR [03:22] [Krill> You would also keep Potamia [03:22] [Krill> and Tamuz [03:23] [Krill> We would not ask you to field anything more than a defensive army, just to block the coast from naval landings [03:23] [E_T> with corruption effects, they really won't be much use to you [03:24] [Krill> I probably should not say this, but we would have them all working perfectly by the end of our GA [03:24] [Krill> and you can probably guess how we are going to do it [03:25] [E_T> FP, I imagine [03:25] [E_T> but the FP, in C3C does NOT give you a second core, like in PTW [03:25] [Krill> try again. [03:26] [Krill> Palace jump [03:26] [Krill> after building FP in old core. If you don't jump to far, and keep the rank corruption down, you get one large core. [03:26] [E_T> so your building an FP somewhere else? [03:26] [Krill> yup. [03:27] [E_T> where , if I might ask? [03:29] [Krill> We have a couple of prebuilds going at the moment. Depending on what happens with the tech race, the FP can go into any of them. As to where they are, Helio is my preference, but TMR and Unseen Uiversity are also building large improvements atm, and so we don't have to make our minds up just yet. [03:30] [E_T> how are you plannning to move Palace, GL? [03:31] [Krill> Normal jump [03:31] [Krill> It is easy enough [03:31] [Krill> I just did one n the PTWDG2 [03:32] [Krill> disband the capital [03:32] [E_T> you have to make sure that it doesn't go to the wrong city, have enough pop in it for one thing [03:33] [E_T> IIRC, the Palace jump, in the PTWISDG, we had to have 8 in the jump city and 5 or less in all others [03:34] [Krill> If you check the thread, the amount of military units in the cities also affects which city the palace goes to. [03:34] [E_T> but it was a long jump [03:34] [Krill> that makes it incredably easy to exploit. [03:34] [E_T> and I don'tknow how map size effects that, either [03:34] [Krill> It does not [03:34] [E_T> have you simmed it out? [03:35] [Krill> http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=47304 [03:36] [Krill> just use the military units for the most part [03:36] [E_T> I've read that thread, long time ago [03:37] [Krill> well, I have not simmed it out just yet, but I can not see needing more than 20 military units to get the palace to jump to the corect city [03:39] * E_T is fading fast and needs to get up in 5 hours for work [03:40] [Krill> well, none of this is definate [03:40] [Krill> but those are the cities we would require. [03:40] [Krill> any spare resources we have we would send to you [03:40] [Krill> and vice versa [03:40] [E_T> Well, I'll post about it, but you said you still need to talk to Ormuzd first, so send me and shogun an e-mail [03:40] [Krill> OK [03:41] [Krill> Oh, I'll just go and edit the GS-RP treaty... [03:42] [E_T> aand I likely won't be posting until tomorrow, hopefully before work, but if not, it won't be until 10 to 11 PM EDT before I do [03:44] [Krill> Well, OK [03:44] [Krill> I will be going on holiday on friday mporning [03:44] [Krill> thursday evening your time though [03:44] [Krill> so if we can get as much done as possible before then

Krill sent something else, via PM about the cities, then he chated breifly today

quote: [Krill> ET, just wondering but did you recieve the PM I sent? [E_T> zzzzzzzzzzzz [E_T> yeah [E_T> posting crap, I mean stuff now.... * E_T is cranky this morning.... [E_T> and tired [E_T> [weak/wain smiley] [E_T> I just wish that everyone hadn't all gone away on holiday, at once.... [E_T> Krill, you meantioned Babylon (the city) last night, but thetreaty yousent mentions Hookah, but not Babylon [E_T> Please PM that stuff to Shogun, too [Krill> It is all sent to SG [Krill> er, I'm stupid. [Krill> oh wait. [Krill> you can not gift Babylon to us. [Krill> game mechanics don't allow that to happen [Krill> so it has to empty so we can capture it. [E_T> So, what is it, I'm posting this now and want to add this to it and I still have to get ready for work, so hurry up [Krill> OK, you gift the three cities I mentionned in the treaty, [Krill> Hooka, Kurra and IT [Krill> Make sure that there are no units in Babylon the city [Krill> sell everything that produces culture [Krill> so sell all temps and libs in Babylon, Kurra, Hooka and It [Krill> temples, I should say [Krill> do you have the picture that I sent to you? [E_T> o.k., I'll post this [E_T> didn't get picture, yet [Krill> what is your emil ady? [E_T> I sent you e-mail from it... [E_T> et_civ@rockbandit.net [E_T> got to go. [Krill> cya later then * E_T_work .

There is opertunity to royaly screw them here.

E_T

E_T

	03-08-2005 22:37									#192
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My god, I mean my Inanna!

That was exactly what I was thinking. If we simply complied, we just are a shield on their eastern flank. No chance to win, just a boring border guard without the possibility of career advancement.

E_T do you have an idea how to double cross them yet? I'm all for that idea. Clearly they are too greedy and have asked for too much. A more modest request might have won our approval, but this sh!t, no f'in way.

	04-08-2005 08:14									#193
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Well, it would possibly require knowing more about their Palace Move plans. But we have the general gist of it.

They are planning to have a LOT of their Military new Capitol site. That's quite a distance from BoH. Also, they are doing several prebuilds, right now, so they aren't using it for war production.

If BoH hits them at the right time.....

Revenge is a dish, best served cold.....

E_T

	04-08-2005 08:36									#194
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This is the border arrangment, to the west, that AM is giving us.

E_T

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	04-08-2005 10:21									#195
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quote: Originally posted by E_T Well, it would possibly require knowing more about their Palace Move plans. But we have the general gist of it. They are planning to have a LOT of their Military new Capitol site. That's quite a distance from BoH. Also, they are doing several prebuilds, right now, so they aren't using it for war production. If BoH hits them at the right time..... Revenge is a dish, best served cold..... E_T

Have you asked BoH? I thought we did not like them.

	04-08-2005 11:00									#196
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Hmm, BOH or AM. Tough choice.

Ultimately, I think calling on BOH and expecting them to take it all is a little risky. I think AM struck now for a reason: BOH is off distracted by Euphorica.

Of course, Krill did say they plan to do the jump using military units rather than pop. We may be able to get BOH to invade at a later date if we can confirm that AM's units are tied up.

	04-08-2005 23:42									#197
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We need to pick one and then begin our plan of revenge.

I dont care who we get back at, I just want to take someone down with me in a blaze of glory.

Discuss.....

	04-08-2005 23:43									#198
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Im saying this because I hope its pretty obvious we cant take both down. But pawning one against another maybe a way to go............

	04-08-2005 23:50									#199
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I don't care which. Lashing out blindly in any direction works also.. hehe

	05-08-2005 00:45									#200
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Sent to Krill and ormuzd.

quote: Will you agree to a 2-turn cease fire while we discuss the vassalization treaty? -Kloreep of the Babylonians

I need to run, but I can play the turn later today if we aren't skipped.

	05-08-2005 10:25									#201
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quote: Sorry, but no. The war will not stop until a peace treaty is signed by both teams. Discuss the treaty all you want, but we will not stop the attack. Sorry, but I doubt I will reply to any more PMS. Leave in about 40 minutes. Krill

	05-08-2005 10:40									#202
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Sent to ormuzd and Krill in reply.

quote: I'm sorry to hear that. Unfortunately, I didn't get to the save in nearly the time I thought I would and E_T played thinking the cease fire would go in to effect. As such, we made no offensive moves even though we could have taken at least a horse of yours, if not more. Vassalization is a major decision and not one we want to take lightly without full discussion by our team. While we may not have more turnplayers than your team, we do have a fair number of active members who want a voice in this, and some (like Beta) are away or simply very busy at the moment. I hope you will agree to give us a little more time, hold off on further offense for the turn being as we have. I don't know if you realize you essentially have us by the throat, but you do. A turn or two is not going to change that, and should be what we need to finalize this decision, which currently looks like it will be vassalization.

	05-08-2005 11:03									#203
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Nice!!! Revenge may be best served cold, but their blood will still be warm as our arrows pierce their darkened hearts.

	05-08-2005 18:55									#204
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quote: I think I can promise I'll not continue our aggression towards you at least for the next turn. All we have done so far was surprise attack. Any delay may give the precious time you need and this is the reason we don't want to stop. Can you guarantee you will not build military units in those two turns? Or if you do, not use them (in case you deny our proposal)? (I have no idea what did Krill answer to you)

So, we have our cease fire for a turn, I hope.

As for the guarantee... what do you guys think?

Personally, I'm thinking no way in heck will we follow through on something like that whether or not we say it. Either we take the vassalization deal and it's a moot point, or we try to stand our ground and fight AM tooth and nail.

	08-08-2005 23:44									#205
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I think we offer the same guarantee that they gave us when we discussed the Western Mutual Defense Treaty.

	09-08-2005 03:25									#206
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Good point skrobism.

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quote: Originally posted by Hercules Good point skrobism.

	09-08-2005 05:47									#208
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Ya offer them the guarentee and then do what we want anyway, theres no way to enforce it or check it at this point.

	10-08-2005 12:12									#209
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From ormuzd.

quote: I still don't have reply from you. I have exoected you would be ready with an answer and the delay in the game worked in your favour to make it happen faster.

I agree with conmcb25. If we fight back, making it non-moot, I don't really care if we lie to AM.

But do the rest of you? Should we hold off till we decide on vassalization?

And what do you guys think? Should we take the vassalization deal or not? My main concern is which gives us better shots at revenge, I need to mull that over...

	10-08-2005 12:19									#210
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Revenge.