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mindseye
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A Yankee living in Shanghai
Apr 1999
time: 13:35
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Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
Oh I know grudges are held in various parts of Asia - but it took the Japanese to show just how bad colonialism could be. It made the European powers look better than they deserved. |
There has been so much to comment on in this thread, I haven't had a chance to say that IMO AH's posts have been spot-on.
I have often been struck by how benign Chinese attitudes are towards westerners, given our recent mutual histories. In how many other countries are Americans, for example, welcomed and treated so favorably (fewer with each ongoing day of the Bush administration, I'm afraid).
It's no secret that China has a deep strain of victimhood running through its national psyche and coloring it's form of nationalistic pride. It helps explain the intensity of public actions like the current anti-Japanese protests.
Here is an excellent Salon article by respected American sinologist Orville Schell, very insightful and well-written, well worth reading if you are interested in better understanding Chinese attitudes and behavior on the international stage.
Last edited by mindseye on 14-04-2005 at 07:58
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Urban Ranger
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Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic
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Originally posted by mindseye
My dictionary says the first character is "ya", meaning something like "low status", as in "ya tou" (slave girl). The second character is "bi", which means "vagina" or "c*nt", as in "niu bi" ("ox c*nt, a common enough Chinese curse term).
The phrase "ya bi" literally means something like "low-down c*nt", but the way it's used in Chinese is probably closer to American English "f*cker" or "b*astard". It's a strong expletive, I just confirmed this with one of my students.
So my original translation of "Ya bi wang!" as "Die, f*cker!" next to Koizumi's X-ed over face was correct. 
You know, I teach English to Chinese everyday, but it's not often I teach Chinese to a Chinese!  |
Hm, no
There's only one meaning to bi, and that is "must." Maybe there are other slang meanings, but my dictionary doesn't say.
ya could mean a bunch of things when combined into terms, such as ya tau (little girl) or shu ya (where a tree grows a branch), but it doesn't mean anything by itself.
Besides, the three characters don't make sense combined that way. It's not grammatical - or at least nobody ever writes like that.
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DaShi
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The Taste of Japan
Sep 2000
time: 05:35
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
Does the word "context" mean anything to you? |
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Well, I think DaShi's point is, the poster is ancillary to both DaShi's and my personal observations of routinely hearing with our own ears Chinese people say they hate all Japanese. |
Exactly.  Claiming context is just a poor attempt at weaseling out by playing dumb.
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
When I said none, I meant there was none coming from somebody (Emperor or Prime Minister) who did it on behave of the entire country. |
But that's not what you said. You deliberately left that out. There are many who believe that in Japan there have been no efforts at apologies because of Chinese people who make statements like the one you made. It is deliberately deceptive. And now you're trying to weasel out of it again by playing dumb.
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I do, though just limited to Gaungzhou/Shenzhen and surrounding areas. I have never met anybody expressing such racism. |
Do you ever discuss these things with others? Or is it simply business trips? Do you include yourself?
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
ya could mean a bunch of things when combined into terms, such as ya tau (little girl) or shu ya (where a tree grows a branch), but it doesn't mean anything by itself. |
You certainly don't spend enough time in the mainland , if you mean ya tou (rather than tau, what is that, Greek?) which will probably cause you to get the crap beaten out of you if you use it here.
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Originally posted by Urban Ranger
I am not sure how big a factor that is, given that a stream of constant US meddling, interfering, finger-pointing and obstructing acts directed at China (at least as perceived, but then, perception is everything here) during the recent years. Particularly casted in the context of the US being the international hegemon. |
Perception is everything here? Perception has nothing to do with what you are claiming. But yes, it is all perceived.
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For example, I have read several accounts of the PRC joining the WTC, and there are lots of incidents where the US tabled unreasonable demands and errected obstacles. Put that together with the recent emergence of protectionism in the US and the constant lip services the US is paying "free market." None of these goes down well. |
Yes, I've read those too. . .in China Daily.
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Then there is the recent case of the US and Japan putting Taiwan Strait as part of the mutually defensive treaty "strategic objective." Such a wise move... |
God forbid China give other countries the same rights it gives to itself.
Sadly, UR hasn't posted anymore. So I'll have to leave it at that until he returns. Frankly, I think he's about to lose his position as a CCP mouthpiece.
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Drake Tungsten
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Knee deep in alien womyn...
Oct 2001
time: 14:35
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TOKYO -- A nationalist textbook newly approved by the Tokyo government is driving the deepest wedge in Japan-China relations in decades, but few of the country's students have ever read it.
Though given away for free, the book titled "New History Textbook" is used by only 18 of 11,102 junior high schools in Japan, reflecting many teachers' concerns over its content. It has been denounced by the leading teachers' union, and is well to the right wing of mainstream public opinion. |
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Only 10 public and eight private junior high schools use the textbook, meaning it reaches just 0.1 percent of the 1.2 million seventh graders.
Teachers' concerns over the content have limited use of the textbook, which covers all of Japan's history. The current edition has 236 pages, only about 20 of which deal with the 1920-1945 period, the height of Japanese expansionism. |
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Officials say the criticism of its textbook screening process -- and decision to approve the book in question -- is unfair.
They claim screening is intended only to ensure that textbooks do not contain factual errors or express interpretations of history that go beyond what most scholars would consider defensible. It does not mean the government agrees with everything on every page, they say. |
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...world-headlines
Just in case anyone still thinks this is actually about a textbook...
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DaShi
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The Taste of Japan
Sep 2000
time: 05:35
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Originally posted by Ned
I will make exceptions, AH, to all those Chinese who believe in some sort of socialist manifest destiny. But to those who just want to live their lives without politics, or who are on the right, the United States has most always been a friend of China even when China has not been a friend of the United States.
So, educate me. Why would the average Chinese riot in hatred of the United States? What wrong to China would they cite in thier anger? |
The Chinese do see the US as a model to emulate. In fact, China is becoming more and more like the US everyday, it seems. They admire power. Of course, they admire Hitler and Bill Gates for the same reasons, so I don't think the US should feel proud.
The general sense I've gotten is that most old people like the US and don't like Germany. Young people are not so fond of the US and sometimes see it as an obstacle to China, but they'll stab their best friend in the back for a chance to go to school there. But that's more about money and power than about liking the US. Both reflect the different propoganda given to each generation.
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Urban Ranger
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Apolyton Duke of Off-Topic
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Originally posted by DaShi
Exactly. Claiming context is just a poor attempt at weaseling out by playing dumb. |
It appears you take everything out of context, since it's so unimportant to you.
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Originally posted by DaShi
But that's not what you said. You deliberately left that out. |
You have comprehension problems. What does official mean to you?
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Originally posted by DaShi
There are many who believe that in Japan there have been no efforts at apologies because of Chinese people who make statements like the one you made. |
Japan still hasn't made any official apologies. Oh, just in case you don't understand, let me repeat it for you. Japan still hasn't made any official apologies.
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Originally posted by DaShi
It is deliberately deceptive. And now you're trying to weasel out of it again by playing dumb. |
I can't help you if you have personal problems.
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Originally posted by DaShi
You certainly don't spend enough time in the mainland , if you mean ya tou (rather than tau, what is that, Greek?) which will probably cause you to get the crap beaten out of you if you use it here. |
I somehow don't think you are an authority on contemporary Chinese usage.
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Originally posted by DaShi
Perception is everything here? Perception has nothing to do with what you are claiming. But yes, it is all perceived. |
This is your perception. So, you proved my point.
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Originally posted by DaShi
God forbid China give other countries the same rights it gives to itself. |
That China meddles with other countries internal affairs? Funny thing.
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Originally posted by DaShi
Sadly, UR hasn't posted anymore. So I'll have to leave it at that until he returns. Frankly, I think he's about to lose his position as a CCP mouthpiece. |
Tingkai is absolutely right about you.
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