28-04-2005 16:47									#151
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I played through SoU and half of HotU with such a fighter/dwarven defender, albeit only up to about level 25. This physical durability was amazing, but he couldn't stand a single chance against casters. This build is surely great, if you have a damage dealing and possibly healing party behind you. For SP however, it's not the very best thing to do, I learned that the hard way.

	28-04-2005 17:33									#152
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One standard item makes him into a god though - Cloak of Epic Spell Resistance.

Or any of the elemental resistance rings/armours - most spells are doing elemental damage.

Then you need a belt with Freedom.

And an item that gives immunity to Mind Spells really helps too.

Now you only need to look out for Death Magic and Issac's

-Jam

	28-04-2005 21:18									#153
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And any enemies armed with a can opener....

	29-04-2005 00:11									#154
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Now you only need to look out for Death Magic and Issac's -Jam

And who doesn't, especially for Isaacs.

	29-04-2005 04:01									#155
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What's an Isaac?

	29-04-2005 04:23									#156
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Isaac's missle storm and greater missile storm. Very potent mage spells. They don't have elemental damage, they have magic damage like a magic missile I believe. So they work on wide varieties of creatures/beings. I like to empower and maximize them too.

	29-04-2005 06:12									#157
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It's a nasty spell. My multiple deaths the other morning were caused by them. Bloody spellcasters.

	30-04-2005 02:01									#158
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The nasty part isn't the dmg but the save situation.

	30-04-2005 02:07									#159
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Yeah. IGMS offers NO SAVING THROW.

Of course, it's a VERY nice spell for spellcasters who don't want to put a lot of points into their primary stat, since the DC for the save is partially dependent on the modifier for that stat...

	30-04-2005 02:43									#160
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That suXX0rs. I've got a greatsword, and I'm prepared to use it!!!111onehundredandeleven!!!!111!!

I have boogered up my potential greatsword weaponmaster though. Not enough intelligence from the off means I'm incredibly strong but not smart enouhg to pick up Intimidate points quick enough.

	30-04-2005 03:55									#161
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike The nasty part isn't the dmg but the save situation.

Some sort of lizardman caster was hitting me with what I assume were them. One of them would take me from about 250 hp to what I assume was about 30. But maybe my character was just too sissy.

	30-04-2005 05:26									#162
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Down in the formian hive, you can get Boots of Grounding which have 10/- electrical and 5/- magical resists.

	30-04-2005 09:30									#163
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And potions of heal! 'Bugger Im being spammed by IGMS *click*'

	30-04-2005 14:49									#164
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quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard Some sort of lizardman caster was hitting me with what I assume were them. One of them would take me from about 250 hp to what I assume was about 30. But maybe my character was just too sissy.

Well that's mean.

However, the point was, many spells have the capacity to do lots of dmg, but are easy(ier) to save against dmg, or take half dmg.

With the Isaacs casters you just have to invis and get in close (though IIRC the ones you mention have true sight) and whack 'em. A nice tanky character will do the job well, as, as discussed, someone is taking a whack of dmg and it may as well not be the squishy chars.

	30-04-2005 15:57									#165
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The main drawbacks with the Issac's spells are that the damage per bolt is very low and easily resisted, and that the bolts divide themselves equally over all targets. Since in Folderol you can have practically unlimited henchmen (depending on your CHA and your wallet) there's no need to take all those bolts yourself. Or summon something with a few HP, or get a familiar. Or another human!

-Jam

	30-04-2005 17:08									#166
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike With the Isaacs casters you just have to invis and get in close (though IIRC the ones you mention have true sight) ...

They sure do. I was only trying to go to the monastery to see what they had for sale again. Sneaking didn't work and invisibility didn't either.

I might just have to use my other helmet, since it's the only one of my equip that has spell resistance, but I like my cool rogue hood

	30-04-2005 17:18									#167
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quote: Originally posted by ColdWizard They sure do. I was only trying to go to the monastery to see what they had for sale again. Sneaking didn't work and invisibility didn't either. I might just have to use my other helmet, since it's the only one of my equip that has spell resistance, but I like my cool rogue hood

Greater sanctuary works perfectly. Btw, my healer is currently there, want a 'lift'?

	30-04-2005 18:09									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Qilue Greater sanctuary works perfectly.

Another nice resource. If you are a caster you can get yours in first.

	30-04-2005 18:56									#169
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I think I maybe shouldn't have sold off my entire scroll collection...

	30-04-2005 19:30									#170
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If you are a rogue, then you are right, you shouldn't have.

	30-04-2005 20:16									#171
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Greater Sanctuary isn't 100% foolproof. They have to make a Will Save to see you against a DC of 17+ your casting attribute (i.e. INT or CHA or WIS) bonus.

-jam

	30-04-2005 20:25									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Greater Sanctuary isn't 100% foolproof. They have to make a Will Save to see you against a DC of 17+ your casting attribute (i.e. INT or CHA or WIS) bonus. -jam

Nope, that's standard sanctuary, greater sanctuary has no opposing save.

	30-04-2005 21:33									#173
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Ooh Jamski caught out!

	30-04-2005 21:47									#174
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Caster Level(s): Cleric 1
Innate Level: 1
School: Abjuration
Descriptor(s):
Component(s): Verbal, Somatic
Range: Touch
Area of Effect / Target: Single
Duration: 1 Round / Level
Additional Counter Spells:
Save: Will Negates
Spell Resistance: No

The caster's or the person's, touched by the caster, presence is completely ignored by nearby creatures for the duration of the spell.

Caster Level(s): Cleric 6, Wizard / Sorcerer 8
Innate Level: 7
School: Transmutation
Descriptor(s):
Component(s): Verbal, Somatic
Range: Personal
Area of Effect / Target: Caster
Duration: 1 turn / level
Additional Counter Spells:
Save: None
Spell Resistance: No

The caster becomes ethereal. No other creature can detect the caster. Attacking or performing a hostile action will make the etherealness vanish.

	01-05-2005 01:54									#175
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york That suXX0rs. I've got a greatsword, and I'm prepared to use it!!!111onehundredandeleven!!!!111!! I have boogered up my potential greatsword weaponmaster though. Not enough intelligence from the off means I'm incredibly strong but not smart enouhg to pick up Intimidate points quick enough.

Not only that, but you need INT 13 to take Expertise.

To the person asking about SP modules, check out Twilight and Midnight, by Rick Burton. They're not for everybody, but I loved them. They require a Paladin character, which is one of my least favourite classes, but the class is modified heavily enough so as to be playable. They're also extremely limited in terms of player freedoms (you only get exactly the equipment that the module creator wants you to have, for example), but at least there are dialog options for nice-Paladin and jerk-Paladin.

In fact, when I was looking for modules I trawled through the top of the module list at nwvault.ign.com (sorted by score) and picked the ones that looked interesting. I think that's a good strategy.

I just started HotU again last night, with a dual-wielding 10 Fighter/10 Tempest/1 Weaponmaster (Katana) character. I haven't played enough to decide whether she plays well, or it's just the numbers talking (and the portrait I picked, which is totally hot).

SP

	01-05-2005 02:59									#176
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I liked the 2 eternum games as well.

Lonewolf was pretty good as well.

http://nwvault.ign.com/Files/module...123002763.shtml

http://nwvault.ign.com/Files/module...506296655.shtml

	01-05-2005 04:55									#177
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The server has reset, but Ive got to turn in for the night. That was a good laugh cya next time

	01-05-2005 04:56									#178
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Cya snotty, If i lost that level I won't be happy.

ACK!

	01-05-2005 05:00									#179
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I was suddenly curious, will we ever see Mrs Tuberski on Folderol?

	01-05-2005 05:13									#180
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Yes. The documentation is incorrect, as it is for so many spells