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That one sounds good. A bit tongue breaker, but it trains the muscle...

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ca-ve-o-in-di-sum

actually i have no clue how to say latin words

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yeah but what does its mean?

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I would want to see where it is but thinking on the lines of Digital Reality at the moment.

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caveo is roughly secure

indicium,basicly data

essentally,secure data

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Ok Guys,

Here's the midmid turn coming.

All of Marts changes implemented and some more.

But here's a question.

We can get MMI next year if we turn a lot of EM workers into librarians, and change the SE setting to 20- 10- 70

and change some KC and KP workers to Librarians.

The downside is loss of mineral production in EM and 8-9 units of hunger (we can survive 1 turn like this I think).

However, the reason for this is: with us changing to build the Neural Amp SP, Spartans are going to be alerted that something is up.
And it won't take them long to guess what.

The question then becomes how fast can they research MMI themselves. If they discover MMI next turn, then there is nothing we could have done but if they can rush to discover it the turn after that then we will be pipped.

The second consideration is will we have enough crawlers to trade in and spare ecs, next turn to instabuild CF.

If not do we need to move some more crawlers to within reach of EM. As a last resort we could cash the AA but I would prefer not to do that.

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if there are crawlers and EC's enough to spare....someone break out the calculator..

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However with us changing to build the Neural Amp SP, Spartans are going to be alerted that something is up.
and it won't take them long to guess.

good point. at this point in my games,i often start a new SP with a bio-building base.if thats yours(and theirs) experiance,they would know...but can they get it in one turn?

edit;in reference to your email,id like to see what others have to say,if anyone else is on atm

might not want to risk losing CF at any cost....

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Thanks I too will wait for full views and especially the calculations.

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From the way the S have talked I take it we would be safe not having to stupid ruch and risk lots.

Keep saving the $$$ for fast build of CF.

The probe can just map unchared space for now till posible to install revolution in the Hive.

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I think we might make more librarians elsewhere too, plus move one more crawler towards EM. It would spare us hunger.
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Ok, what I got is hunger -2 in KP and -1 in KC. All ok in EM.
We get 196 labs/turn (needed 194) Less pollution and less chance for fungus growth.
SH switched to crawler. Sorry, but LIT will not be able to help anything now - I did not know we would hurry CF a turn earlier, so it is too late now, but it gives us 10 crawlers in the vicinity of EM. The rest minerals will have to be bought.
Let me see final things...

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Well, we better switch Kahlua Probing to crawler too. 9 minerals lost. Not that much...

Where to move the probe foil?

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i thought hercule was playing the turn?did you take it from midsave mart?

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Ok, what I got is hunger -2 in KP and -1 in KC. All ok in EM.

i thoughtwe just had a consensus NOT to get CF asap

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Well, we lost Planetary Energy Grid just by one turn during this game. If we might loose CF too, that would be really bad thing. Hercules gave a good point, that Neural Amplifier may alarm Spartans.
I did this analysis with last mid save. We can succeed with CF in 2175
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And even if not alarmed, what if they really can get MMI that fast?

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Do we have to change KP to crawler?

If we have to, then do it. A bit of a shame

Move western probe north.

Mart, if we have agreement, on this, then you can post the turn as you have the detailed changes done already.

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Just another thought, as Cataphract says, we might continue building Bioenhancement in EM. We would loose only 5 or 6 minerals more, but with 11 crawlers, that should be enough still. And additionally, we do not alarm anybody with this, but we still instabuild it in 2175!
What do you think about it?

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If we build CF before Spartans I think all other factions will be relieved.

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Got spare money?

I am interested but where do we build CF ?

In EM and then switch or KP KC?

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does it matter where it is?

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Ok go with it

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end turn.

if luck helps we get CF in 2176.

This whole stuff with not alarming is if Spartans do not have infiltration on us, what is quite possible.

Attachment: acdg3-angels-2174-end.zip
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

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k

everyone cross your fingers..lets hope this works

(couldnt resist quoting MoHaa)

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We will know next turn. If we get MMI and no CF is in the F5 screen, then we are in business.

And time to switch a bit our aims. With CF we may infuriate Spartans. They might even consider hitting us and not Yang. They could think that the sooner they strike the better for them since we will have less time for building that enhanced units. I believe, that after we get CF we should start serious military build up. According to defensive-offensive scheme. We can discuss it in Security Nexus with more details. Otherwise what happend to Morganities with their headquarter base might happen to us too.

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If we build CF, everyone will know we have MMI.

What we do with it is another matter.

From an attack point of view

Yang or Lal?

Is it better to attack Yang and get those hive bases and creep nearer to Spartans or attack Lal.

Yang and Spartans are at truce atm, even though the Spartan needles attacked their bases, I presume.

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Remember we can't attack bases (does that apply to attacking AI bases?) with choppers, which is why attacks with aircraft/bombers are very useful, they can attack bases.

So roll on ye elite tanks/rovers to capture some bases after an aircraft assault clearing.

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I talked with Gaian BinTravkin about attacking Hive before Spartans do it. Hive territory is very tempting - jungles. Lal would be though easier to defeat at the moment. However we have pact with Lal, and Yang may attack us any turn now.

It may be difficult to get into conflict with Hive, and we would drain our resources, however, I think in the long run, the faction that takes hive territory will have very big adavantage. We should not let Spartans to take all Yangs faction.

Any thoughts?

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ai has lots of units outside city in my experiance;chopper assault should still be good with needle support

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I am inclined to favour attacking Yang.

It shows we are cooperating to overrun Hive and yet we also gain some key central bases.

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Here is some strength comparison, which I should also present to BinTravkin:

code:
Hive Gaian Angels --------------------------------------- Scout 1-1-1 - 11 12 Rover 1-1-2 - - 2 Synth 1-2-1 34 1 - Plasma 1-3-1 10 - 1 pl.def x-3-2 - 3 1 Laser 2-2-1 1 - - L.spe. 2-1-2 - 7 - Impact 4-2-1 3 - - Imp.sp. 4-1-2 1 - - G.inf. 5-2-1 2 - - M.sp. 6-1-2 5 4 - M.sqd. 6-3r-1 6 - - M.inf. 6-1-1 - - 1 Imp.ar. (4)-1-2 2 - - G.ar. (5)-1-2 1 - - M.ar. (6)-1-2 2 - - spor.L p-p-1 - 1 - M.Nee. 6-1-10 8 3 - chopp. 1-1-8 - - 1 Foil tr 0-x-4 3 - 1 L.foil 2-2-4 1 - - M.foil 6-3-4 1 - - IoD p-p-4 - 1 - Probe 0-1-2 2 2 3 f.pr. 0-1-1 - 7 11 Foil pr 0-1-4 - - 2 Total---------------------------------- Land 62 26 17 Artillery 5 1 - Air 8 3 1 Sea 5 1 1 Probe 2 9 16

So in land we are 18:62 (no scouts)
Air 4:8 only (bombers and scouts)
sea - we have only transports
probes(regular) 7:2 (COPs not included)

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Build Military after CF to attack Yang.

 
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