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Next up we have the buildings:


[?] denotes icons which I have no idea what they are.


Oxford University -6 [?] +100% [?] (National Wonder)
- Can turn 1 citizen happy??

The Great Library (World Wonder)
+2 Free Scientist [great people??]
- Half Cost with [?]

The Sistine Chapel (World Wonder)
+2 [?] per specialist in all cities
- Half Cost with [?]

The Manhattan Project (World Wonder)
- Enables Nukes (for all players)

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Resources. No popups, but here you can probably figure them out yourself.

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Promotions.

Here's the ones that pop up:

Sentry
+1 Visibility Range

Mobility
-1 Terrain Movement Cost

Drill I
+1 Extra First Strike Chance

Navigation I
+1 Movement Range

Navigation II
+1 Movement Range

Guerilla I
- +20% Hills Defense

Guerilla II
- Double Movement in Hills
- +30% Hills Defense

Medic II
- Heals units in Adjacent Tiles Extra 10% per turn

Flanking I
- +10% withdrawal chance

Flanking II
- +20% withdrawal chance

Barrage III??
- +50% Collateral Damage
- +10% vs Gunpowder Units

Accuracy
- +10% City Bombard Damage

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Finally, check out the top-left corner of the one screenie with the game in it... Just below the money indicator. Obviously you can adjust science / culture spending there, without drilling into any menus.

http://www.apolyton.net/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=3805142

That's about all the interesting info I was able to extract from the videos. That should be enough work for Locutus to incorporate into the info thread though.

Enjoy.

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those videos are great. The graphics in civ4 look sweat. If the concepts like religion and civics are implemented right, this game is going to rock!

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Wow, vovan, you're eye-sight is clearly better than mine, I can't read most of the stuff in those images. I don't suppose you (or anyone else who can read the text) are willing to have a swing at the tech tree?

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quote:
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Download links, for use in emergencies only (please don't spread them outside this thread). Please don't sue me, Gamespot :


Thank you

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Originally posted by Locutus
Wow, vovan, you're eye-sight is clearly better than mine, I can't read most of the stuff in those images. I don't suppose you (or anyone else who can read the text) are willing to have a swing at the tech tree?


Well, the fact of the matter is, I had to shrink the images some to post them. When they are blown up to full screen on the video player, you can more easily tell what it says. The problem with the tech tree is, they don't have it in the high quality videos and the long one is too fuzzy to tell what the techs are...

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The interview says, that an SDK (software development kit) for game and AI will be released. An SDK is a well documented library (in binary code) with a set of functions, that can be linked to your own code and in a defined form influence the behavior of the game. It is not the source code of the game, just like the Windows SDK is not the source code of Windows.

That said, such an SDK is a great tool and most likely sufficient to mod the game at hearts content without handing out the ability to introduce bugs into the vital part of the engine. The said DLL you can create is a good compromise between bug prevention and moddability.


SDK is probably the most abused term in the history of computer gaming, I've seen it being used to refer to anything from a scenario editor right down to the full source code. If Soren explains it as "basically the game and the AI code that people can use to compile a seperate DLL", then he *is* referring to the actual source code. Not the full game, I'm sure: the graphics engine and network code and stuff like that probably won't be included (Gamebryo is a licensed product so Firaxis couldn't release that code if they wanted to), but as long as Firaxis keeps supporting the game (as opposed to what Activision did) that's not the sort of code fans will want to change anyway. But IF the entire core of the game itself is exposed (big if, but that *is* what it sounds like), the possibilities are literally endless...

Anyone wanna convert Civ4 into a football manager?

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Some of the other units you get popups for:


Work Boat
- Cannot enter Ocean
- Can create fishing boats, create whaling boats, create offshore platform

Ooh, I like that.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ari Rahikkala
Ornery.


Thanks, fixed.

quote:
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Well, the fact of the matter is, I had to shrink the images some to post them. When they are blown up to full screen on the video player, you can more easily tell what it says. The problem with the tech tree is, they don't have it in the high quality videos and the long one is too fuzzy to tell what the techs are...


Oh, okay. Well, thanks a ton for posting the stuff that *was* readable anyway, even with the HD-videos in full-screen I can still barely read what they say...

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Work Boat
- Cannot enter Ocean

Ooh, I like that.


As I read it the first time I kinda read it as it couldn't enter water squares

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As I read it the first time I kinda read it as it couldn't enter water squares


Wouldn't be much of a boat then, eh?

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I tell you what I'm liking the most is the "Promotinos" concept in cIV.

Instead of the simple Conscript - Regular - Veteren - Elite

we are getting a variety of "upgrades" that create a different texture of units combining into an army. That seems to hold a lot of promise and interest on my part.

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THEY WILL BE RELEASING THE SOURCE CODE OF THE GAME AS WELL!


Ehhh... I highly doubt that... The most I have hopes for is some header files to define the APIs. I highliy doubt they will release actual source files.

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I've been trying to maintain an attitude of cautious optimism towards cIV, but in fact I...

WANT THAT GAME NOW!!!!

Lovely demo. And thanks for the full video link, Ari.

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Ehhh... I highly doubt that... The most I have hopes for is some header files to define the APIs. I highliy doubt they will release actual source files.


Can you compile those into a DLL, as Soren specifically said?

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Is it me, or does that look like President Bush Sr. in the Buildings Civilopedia?
What building is it supposed to represent?
Any ideas?

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Can you compile those into a DLL, as Soren specifically said?


Yeah. When you write your own code, all it needs is the header files to compile, and some binary files to link. It really doesn't need any of the actual source code of the game.

quote:
Is it me, or does that look like President Bush Sr. in the Buildings Civilopedia?
What building is it supposed to represent?
Any ideas?


Might be placeholder art. Could be something like the Pentagon or something.

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In a radio interview it was mentioned that they used Al Gore as placeholder art to represent the Internet, so I'm guessing that that's what that is...

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What I want to know is:

Will all Civs gang up on you like civ3?

Will it be impossible to play a peaceful game at Emperor and above like Civ3?

Will they release patches in a timely fashion?

Most important:

Will they balance the gameplay in time for the initial release or is the open source feature their way of leaving that up to the consumer?

This is most important because I dont care about modding the game. It takes too much time and effort. If I spend $50 for this game I expect that Firaxis has balanced the game properly.

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Al Gore = the Internet?

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Will they balance the gameplay in time for the initial release or is the open source feature their way of leaving that up to the consumer?


Well, I suppose it all depends on how well the beta testers do their jobs, no?

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I actually found one thing that I could really gripe about:

The diplo screen seems not to allow an "anykind of thing traded for any kind of thikg". For example, you can't buy resources with a tech, or with a lump sum.

I hope that my interpretation of the diplo screen is wrong. Maybe the more "exotic" options are hidden, for the player's convenience. If not, I would be very very sad. The "any kind of thing for any kind of thing" diplomacy is what made that part of the game so interesting in SMAC and Civ3.

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Also, I don't see a way to do some type of "ALT-TAB" functionality to go look at the map or other information screens before you have to make a decision with Ghandi swaying around and gyrating right in front of you.

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Have you seen the 13 minutes long video? It's worth it

I especially love the leaderheads. In the tradiotn of Civ3's leaderheads, and Louis XIV reminds me of the French governors in Pirates!


All I can say is the new animated leaders are mind-blowing!

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Al Gore = the Internet?


a) It's only concept art... unfortuantely

b) There *is* a serious undertone to that: Al Gore *was* very important to the development of the Internet. He didn't invent it of course, but you don't get a Webby Lifetime Achievement Award for making false claims...

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The diplo screen seems not to allow an "anykind of thing traded for any kind of thikg". For example, you can't buy resources with a tech, or with a lump sum.


Hmm... It would, indeed, appear that way from the video... When he selects a tech, only the lump sum payment and other techs and "declare war on..." options remain available. And when he selects Corn, only GPT and resources are avable for choosing... It would suck for them to limit us that way. Maybe you need some tech advance in order to try to trade goods for tech, for example? Or else maybe it depends on the nature of your relations with the other nation... Or your trading civic model thing...

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The diplo model is indeed a lot like Civ3, only apparently more flexible, and without an advisor that tells you 100% accurately whether they'll take the deal .

On the downside, the leaders (Gandhi) at least seem to be WAY too cartoonish. Come on, the Civ3 leaders were cartoonish within reason, but this is straight out of a comic book.


It's all a matter of taste - Personally, I like the style...!

I am sure new modded heads will appear as the game is released & established on the web.

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Yak, crappy questions those guys asked. If any of us starts to make questions to Soren, he would be in trouble

I LOVE the cute units and leaders!!! Awww, so cute how the troops fight and walk, like making little jumps... they are like dolls!

And BTW, i like the promoting system, i will be able to create special forces to senty in my borders! Perhaps another promotion would be the ability to prevent enemy units entering the adjacent squares of that unit.

Bad thing there are not two leaders per nation

But the graphics, oh MY OH MY!!!

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