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Carolus Rex
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Jan 1970
time: 06:21
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Originally posted by JohnT
And for what purpose was OT counts removed? Why, for no purpose whatsoever, except to "show" the people who enjoy the community here, long after the games have lost meaning to their lives, that they are not wanted anymore...
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You're wrong there, JohnT. Surely you remember what the OT was like... It was impossible to moderate... Sprawling with new threads, and for what? People abused it to get high postcounts... Eliminating posts counting and only allowing the creation of X (2?) new threads per day per poster were measures to curb the nonsense...
I remember one thread called "The bump thread"... It was all about bumping the thread so that it was always on the first page...
You're points about the clicks and "second rate" posters are well taken, but this site was born out of love for Civ 2 and the Civ franchise... It would never have taken off as it has (or even exist?) without that...
Still, if it is as you say (that OT contributes to the site's revenues) something is not right...
Carolus
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Mar 1999
time: 00:21
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Originally posted by Carolus Rex
You're wrong there, JohnT. Surely you remember what the OT was like... It was impossible to moderate... Sprawling with new threads, and for what? People abused it to get high postcounts... Eliminating posts counting and only allowing the creation of X (2?) new threads per day per poster were measures to curb the nonsense...
I remember one thread called "The bump thread"... It was all about bumping the thread so that it was always on the first page...
You're points about the clicks and "second rate" posters are well taken, but this site was born out of love for Civ 2 and the Civ franchise... It would never have taken off as it has (or even exist?) without that...
Still, if it is as you say (that OT contributes to the site's revenues) something is not right...
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C'mon. The reason why the OT went crazy as you described was when moderatorship was first imposed: the kids weren't used to being controlled online. Now, after a few years and the addition of moderators to 'most every board out there, it's become a moot point. And it's not just here on Apolyton, you see the reduction of such crap pretty much all across the internet. "The Bump Thread" and it's like are eliminated by effective moderatorship, not because of post count elimination on the OT.
All that the elimination of post counts in the OT did was move the spam to the on-topic forums. I can easily imagine a couple of funny guys setting up their own, "real", PBEM game, giving themselves a fair number of
"your turn"
types of +1's.
As well as the official "nudge-nudge, wink-wink" spam threads ... including this very own forum's picture thread with 3,995 replies since July 2002. Is it not surprising to find that 4 of the 21 Dieties are among the top 6 posters in that thread alone? For Rasputin, that one thread accounts for 1.5% of his entire post count.
Then there are the "Civ-related" hangman games in "Other Games." A well thought-out post on Gorecki's third symphony* isn't worth as much as
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Sorry, but I call BS on your points. The elimination of post counts was done specifically to make OTers second-class citizens, as Mark and Dan feared that the OT would overwhelm the rest of the site.
However, they couldn't escape the fact that the OT drove the hit counts through the roof, hit counts that they freely admit in their FAQ are generating revenue, which is why they didn't do the logical thing, given their stated reasons, and eliminate the OT altogether. The OT hit revenue was needed.
Not to mention the $18.00/year subscription which I gladly pay to a website that gladly treats me back like a second class citizen, all for the mere crime of not having the time to "play" one of these behemoths the software companies are putting out today nor the desire to discuss games that I'm not going to play.
My point is this: if you're going to be generating revenue off my use of the site, that revenue being no different from any other user of that same function, then I should be treated as any other user. If I go through the additional voluntary expense of paying $18.00/year for the purposes of supporting a site that I enjoy, then I definitely should be treated just as any other user, with my posts counting regardless of where I post.
Or get rid of the damn things altogether. But stop using them as a weapon.
*For the humorless among you, this is what's known as a joke.
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Lord Nuclear
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Originally posted by JohnT
Sorry, but I call BS on your points. The elimination of post counts was done specifically to make OTers second-class citizens, as Mark and Dan feared that the OT would overwhelm the rest of the site.
However, they couldn't escape the fact that the OT drove the hit counts through the roof, hit counts that they freely admit in their FAQ are generating revenue, which is why they didn't do the logical thing, given their stated reasons, and eliminate the OT altogether. The OT hit revenue was needed.
Not to mention the $18.00/year subscription which I gladly pay to a website that gladly treats me back like a second class citizen, all for the mere crime of not having the time to "play" one of these behemoths the software companies are putting out today nor the desire to discuss games that I'm not going to play.
My point is this: if you're going to be generating revenue off my use of the site, that revenue being no different from any other user of that same function, then I should be treated as any other user. If I go through the additional voluntary expense of paying $18.00/year for the purposes of supporting a site that I enjoy, then I definitely should be treated just as any other user, with my posts counting regardless of where I post.
Or get rid of the damn things altogether. But stop using them as a weapon.
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Oh God. I thought you were being serious. 
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Ecthy
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Zhonghuà Rénmín Gònghéguó
Mar 2000
time: 06:21
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Good point Zoidberg
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Carolus Rex
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Sweden
Jan 1970
time: 06:21
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quote:
Originally posted by JohnT
C'mon. The reason why the OT went crazy as you described was when moderatorship was first imposed: the kids weren't used to being controlled online.
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The same was true for all of us (i. e. not being used to moderatorship), not just off-topic posters. Strange that only in off-topic would people go crazy...
The truth is that the off-topic went out of control because people spammed nonsense, not because the site had moderators... Perhaps we're all more mature now, but back then off-topic was a zoo and you know it!
quote:
Originally posted by JohnT
"The Bump Thread" and it's like are eliminated by effective moderatorship, not because of post count elimination on the OT.
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This might be true.
quote:
Originally posted by JohnT
All that the elimination of post counts in the OT did was move the spam to the on-topic forums.
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Perhaps this is true, but I imagine it's easier to moderate on-topic fora than an off-topic one.
quote:
Originally posted by JohnT
I can easily imagine a couple of funny guys setting up their own, "real", PBEM game, giving themselves a fair number of
"your turn"
types of +1's.
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C'mon, this is nonsense!  This is a site started around Civ 2 and other strategy games like it. Playing and discussing these games is the very reason Apolyton exists...
Let me give you an example. I'm involved in two PBEM games. The first was started in august 1999 and has two threads. The first runs from 03-08-99 to 23-10-01 (that's more than two years!) and contains 120 posts (you read it right!)... Here's the link:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...30&pagenumber=1
It's continued in this thread, currently containing 78 posts:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=108341
Check out how many players these 198 posts are divided among (the players in the game changed quite a lot due to fading interest in the game until we reached the current set of reliable players)... Do you actually believe this was done to increase post counts?!
The second PBEM is found here (first thread contains 129 posts and lasted from 04-12-00 to 28-06-02, that's a year and a half):
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...=&threadid=1553
Continued here (24 posts; thread lasted only from 29-01-04 to 15-04-04):
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=107472
That's a total of a whopping 351 posts and we're talking about one thread that was started in august 1999 and one that started in december 2000...
Oh, let me guess... The screenshots from the games are fakes, right?
If this is considered spam or shouldn't be allowed on a site that orbits around turnbased strategy games (and games in general)... 
quote:
Originally posted by JohnT
Sorry, but I call BS on your points.
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If you by BS mean b-u-l-l-s-h-i-t, then you disappoint me my Apolyton brother. I thought you were one of the more sophisticated posters over there, but I guess off-topic posting habits die slowly and pop out every now and then...
A year or so ago I posted in the OT forum about googling "Weapons of mass destruction" and some other related things (yes, it was a week after everyone else already knew about it, but still quite funny)...
Second or third reply was "I just googled Carolus Rex and got s-h-i-t-h-e-a-d"...
Read the last line in my post (that you actually quote), where I actually say it's not right if the things you claim are true!
If I were you I would try to change things... Make all the OT posters stay away for a week to lower the revenue and show your importance... Or propose that only people who contribute financially to the site get post counts... Or figure out something else... Lashing out at people only cement old (and current?) views on the OT people...
If you want post counts under current state of affairs, post the pictures of your children in the picture thread...
Carolus
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02-06-2005 16:00
higher Postcount isn't a science, but it's more correct than mere registration dates. And Post Stats are even greater still- though I doubt that many people here off the top of their head know what everything means or is exactly calculated.
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