30-05-2005 10:56									#121
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker And it probably means that your sources are wrong. There's only slightly less chance of having the Greeks in than the Americans.

Actually, he is actually using sources. Respectfully, you're just making stuff up based on who you think should be in, whereas Dr Zoidberg quotes my fact thread, which bases its information on a multitude of sources, such as screenshots, previews, interviews, etc -- on actual evidence.

The only caveat is that, as Dr Zoidberg implied, one of the civs from my fact thread might be incorrect: we have reasons to believe one civ got axed after the first information was given to the press, but we have no idea which one. The only civs who were not seen or heard of recently (E3 or later) are the ones Dr Zoidberg lists seperately: Arabs, Aztecs and Babylonians. One of these might have been cut, which would give us 17 known civs with 18 in the game. So there's still room for one more civ, which presumably would be Greece. But until we see actual evidence of their presence, they will not be added to my list.

quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 and who the heck would the Malinese have???

Almost certainly Sundiate Keita and/or Mansa Musa, the two famous Malian emperors.

	30-05-2005 14:05									#122
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Was there a reason that this warming up couldn't happen in it's hangar (or shelter, or whatever they used at that stage to avoid easy detection by allied patrols)?

I read somewhere that they had problems, since they couldnīt do this in a hangar. But Iīve forgotten where I read it. My guess is that firing up two jet engines inside the hangar was too dangerous, it probably wouldīve damaged the hangar walls (like it did with the asphalt runways).

	31-05-2005 03:01									#123
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Well, the CivAnon website mentions the Greeks in passing.

Look at the bottom of the screen there at the Civilization Anonymous Manifesto. One of the later points talks about Greeks, Romans, and Mongol hoards (sic!).

However, I'm not certain of the veracity of this data.

	31-05-2005 05:18									#124
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Actually, he is actually using sources. Respectfully, you're just making stuff up based on who you think should be in, whereas Dr Zoidberg quotes my fact thread, which bases its information on a multitude of sources, such as screenshots, previews, interviews, etc -- on actual evidence.

I'm not talking about what should be in; I'm talking about what I perceive Firaxis as being likely to do. Remove the Greeks from the game is not high on that list, given how much the casual gamer would expect them to be there.

	31-05-2005 07:10									#125
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus Almost certainly Sundiate Keita and/or Mansa Musa, the two famous Malian emperors.

Well, let's hope it's Mansa Musa. It is the cooler sounding name of the two.

	31-05-2005 07:26									#126
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Yes. I had actually heard of Mansa Musa, whereas I have not heard of Sundiate Keisa.

	01-06-2005 08:53									#127
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I would name my Mali emperor Timbuk II.

	01-06-2005 09:08									#128
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That's the punniest thing I've heard all week!

	01-06-2005 09:37									#129
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This is blowing my mind. You fellas sure know your Malinese history. I couldn't name a single Malinese emperor. But I do know where Timbuktu is...

	01-06-2005 09:47									#130
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How would have thought...

Mali in Civ4! (And apparently no Greeks?)

	01-06-2005 12:06									#131
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No Greeks?!? Apolyton's roots are Greek! I wonder what Marko would say...

	01-06-2005 16:50									#132
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the info so far is certainly incomplete. there simply can not be a strategy game covering the entire history of mankind without the greeks

	01-06-2005 20:17									#133
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I most certainly agree with that. How many of the great world civilizations have not been affected by the Greeks?

	01-06-2005 20:56									#134
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I agree too. It just couldn't claim to be a game about civilization without the Greeks in it. The Greeks made too much contribution to civilization to be left out of the base game...

	01-06-2005 21:50									#135
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The Greeks didn't do much, really...




..except provide the foundation for the entirety of Western philosophy!

	01-06-2005 23:17									#136
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG the info so far is certainly incomplete. there simply can not be a strategy game covering the entire history of mankind without the greeks

Just to annoy you, they're going to replace the Greeks with the Macedonians

	01-06-2005 23:37									#137
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That is like replacing the USA with Canada - Sort of!

	01-06-2005 23:51									#138
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I would like to see Canada try to conquer the world like Alexander did. Itīs not gonna happen

	02-06-2005 00:35									#139
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The Iroquis (spelling?) started well...

	02-06-2005 02:48									#140
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Yeah, it looked impressive there for a while

quote: The original homeland of the Iroquois was in upstate New York between the Adirondack Mountains and Niagara Falls. Through conquest and migration, they gained control of most of the northeastern United States and eastern Canada. At its maximum in 1680, their empire extended west from the north shore of Chesapeake Bay through Kentucky to the junction of the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers; then north following the Illinois River to the south end of Lake Michigan; east across all of lower Michigan, southern Ontario and adjacent parts of southwestern Quebec; and finally south through northern New England west of the Connecticut River through the Hudson and upper Delaware Valleys across Pennsylvania back to the Chesapeake. With two exceptions - the Mingo occupation of the upper Ohio Valley and the Caughnawaga migration to the upper St. Lawrence - the Iroquois did not, for the most part, physically occupy this vast area but remained in their upstate New York villages.

	02-06-2005 03:42									#141
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There nation is even supposed to exist till this very day.

	02-06-2005 04:01									#142
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Just to annoy you, they're going to replace the Greeks with the Macedonians

as long as they keep alexander as the leader, that wont be far more the truth

plus, dont forget i'm macedonian, not athenian

	02-06-2005 04:56									#143
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Just for spite they'll put Greece in, and with two leaders, but they'll be Philip Arrhidaios and Aristotle Onasis.

	02-06-2005 05:19									#144
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Nah. They need a female leader. How about Nia Vardalos?

	02-06-2005 05:21									#145
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By Olympus!

She'd be even worse!

	02-06-2005 09:43									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Zoidberg I would like to see Canada try to conquer the world like Alexander did. Itīs not gonna happen

Canada covers more territory than Alexander's empire (and lasted longer).

	02-06-2005 10:49									#147
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Canada covers more territory than Alexander's empire (and lasted longer).

Yes, and for hundred of years after its founding, Canada spread its culture around the world -- Canadization, just like the Hellenization that resulted from Alexander's Empire -- therefore the impact on world history from the great Canadian Empire is such that they should be in Civ4!

SARCASM!!!

	02-06-2005 10:57									#148
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quote: Originally posted by Vince278 Canada covers more territory than Alexander's empire (and lasted longer).

Except it is a colony of another civilization, not a civilization of its own. Just as the USA.

	02-06-2005 13:08									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 SARCASM!!!

My point exactly. Few, if any, civilizations could claim to have the impact Greece had on Western Civilization. Alexander was only a part of that.

	02-06-2005 15:07									#150
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quote: Originally posted by Alexander01 Spanish: Isabella, Ferdinand, Philip II or El Cid? and who the heck would the Malinese have???

Easy peasy- either King Sundiata, who Islamized Mali, or Mansa Musa, the Lion of Mali who caused uproar in the Egyptian gold market by bringing so much bullion with him on his hajj to Mecca.


Oh, and El Cid definitely not a good choice as Spain's leader. He fought both for and against Muslims and Christians.