17-07-2005 10:56									#1
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Foreign Affairs
Continue to be a mess.
We'll have to see if BOH follows through on their ultimatum of declaring war if we don't accept Feudalism, or if we've called a bluff.
We'll have to see if Euphorica can retake their iron.
Is DR going to take the attack to Euphorica?
Ankh Morpork wants to negotiate a border treaty, and we may want to negotiate a MPP with them.
The Lost Boys seem like good candidates for a MPP partner.
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Military
Cain is up by the BOH-Euphorica connection. With so many BOH units still in the area, we gave up on trying to cross on to the road and raze it, as BOH could just swipe it aside before it got to the razing. Cain could still have a role to play, though, assuming he isn't killed this turn; we'll have to see what unfolds.
Felix is up in the NE corner of the continent near Euphorica's unexposed border. Does Euphorica have anything he could do? Would we want to lend him out for Euphorica's purposes?
Sheridan is on the run from DR and barbs. Hopefully LB will cooperate with our attempt to bring him back home.
The battle with the Minoan barbs on our western doorstep will begin before we even receive the turn unless they chicken out.
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	17-07-2005 22:02									#3
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	17-07-2005 22:03									#4
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Hmmmm, Minoan Chicken......


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	18-07-2005 20:13									#5
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Barbarian stack broke through and destroyed Delenn and Abel, along with the worker. Furthermore, it seems Stack #2 is behind them.

The position of that AM horse is unsettling. That is plain between it and Felinicity, so we should cover with a unit if we can. and what's the deal with the spearmen? I'm getting a little bit paranoid, though I'm hoping it's for nothing.

I'd suggest switching the Kurra temple, about to complete, to a barracks so it can produce vet units. I think we'll just have to trust LB for now and not expand our eastern borders (and thus our line of sight) there.

Cain is next to a BOH horseman on open lands. While his chances of actually killing it may not be good, I suggest he attack, unless something drastic changes.

Too late here to try to formulate a plan for the barbs...

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Here's a map. The two wounded Minoans are alone on their tiles. The stack by them is three horses, all full health, while the new stack on the mountain is 8 2/2 Horsemen strong.

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Yeah, it is late here. The map...

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	20-07-2005 10:55									#9
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BTW, we have a new settler in PoA. It can found on top of the iron in 1200 BC, or pretty much anywhere else we might put the city in 1175 BC. So we only need to turn back with the Incense settler if we believe the city would be a waste.

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One final thought before I log off. We have 4 spears, which would cost 120 gold to upgrade to Pikes. We have 6 warriors; while I don't think we'd upgrade all of them, they're 90 gold a pop to upgrade.

So, 3 warrior upgrades & 4 spear upgrades come to 390 gold. We have 556 in the bank, but quite a research deficit capacity, and a need to use it to research something fast. So I think we have quite enough on our hands to upgrade already. Much as I don't like the idea of settling on the iron directly, I think it might be our best choice; we don't have much gold left, so I'd say we need to start building our iron pikes the hard way.

	20-07-2005 11:13									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Barbarian stack broke through and destroyed Delenn and Abel, along with the worker. Furthermore, it seems Stack #2 is behind them. The position of that AM horse is unsettling. That is plain between it and Felinicity, so we should cover with a unit if we can. and what's the deal with the spearmen? I'm getting a little bit paranoid, though I'm hoping it's for nothing. I'd suggest switching the Kurra temple, about to complete, to a barracks so it can produce vet units. I think we'll just have to trust LB for now and not expand our eastern borders (and thus our line of sight) there. Cain is next to a BOH horseman on open lands. While his chances of actually killing it may not be good, I suggest he attack, unless something drastic changes. Too late here to try to formulate a plan for the barbs...

Too low of a SPT to really get much out of it. Especially when we get the Iron (will be 40 for MI, 30 for Pikes).

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	21-07-2005 02:21									#12
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Potamia is only under direct threat of attack, this turn, from 5 horsemen. 2 are at 1/2 HP, and we should be able to dispatch one of those.

Suggested moves:

Franklin attacks the wounded horse 1 of him, presumably wins, moves 6 in to Potamia for cover

Bowman Big and Furry forts to keep the new Minoan stack at bay from that forest tile

Bowman Hercules 4, joining Big and Furry.

Note: http://www.zachriel.com/BattleCivulation.asp tells me that if the whole stack of 8 barbs attacks without flinching, they kill both bowmen about 60% of the time, albeit losing about 4.5 horses with some of the survivors wounded. This is not good, but I think it's preferable to letting them through. We only have so many units with which to go on the attack against such a big stack, we need to kill them on defense as much as possible.

Tosses cows 2 to safety, and possibly to Potamia next turn

New catapult in Felinicity 2-2-2

Bowman Jon 4 on to a hill by Potamia, to keep the barbs away from GoT

Bowman Kloreep 4 in to Potamia

Bowman Beta 1 to keep the barbs away from GoT

Shogun Bowman 4 on to forest to help Beta and jon; this froms a horsetight net

New spear in Babylon 4-7-4 in to Potamia

These moves away from the north are being trusting of AM to not be lying about not seeing BOH forces heading our way. I don't see how we have much choice anyway, we need to kill these barbs.

One of the PoA warriors 8-7-7 to cover Felinicity

New settler in PoA on to the iron. We can decide whether to settle or move to another tile next turn.

Again, we need a call on the settler stack. Send it back home or go ahead with moving it north to the incense?

	21-07-2005 02:44									#13
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I'd like to see if someone will second my motion of moving one of the spears with the settler 9 right now, regardless of what we're doing with the settler and the other spear. We'll see if there are any immediate BOH units to be concerned about, and in future turn the spear can move further north to keep an eye out for even earlier warnings.

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seconded

	21-07-2005 04:33									#15
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Wow a lot can happen in 10 days.

	21-07-2005 05:19									#16
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10 days, think I have been gone months from all the changes.

Will there be a discussion on playing this turn?

	21-07-2005 09:59									#17
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Move Made
Active spear 8 of LI moved 9 on to mountain

No more units seen; all the previously unseen tiles are unoccupied.

	21-07-2005 10:00									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Potamia is only under direct threat of attack, this turn, from 5 horsemen. 2 are at 1/2 HP, and we should be able to dispatch one of those. Suggested moves: Franklin attacks the wounded horse 1 of him, presumably wins, moves 6 in to Potamia for cover

Sounds good, but how about this
Attacks, if wins, goes back to same spot. See below for more on this.

quote: Bowman Big and Furry forts to keep the new Minoan stack at bay from that forest tile

No, move him to support Franklin. We don;t want them to get onto the tile. See below for more.

quote: Bowman Hercules 4, joining Big and Furry.

quote: Note: http://www.zachriel.com/BattleCivulation.asp tells me that if the whole stack of 8 barbs attacks without flinching, they kill both bowmen about 60% of the time, albeit losing about 4.5 horses with some of the survivors wounded. This is not good, but I think it's preferable to letting them through. We only have so many units with which to go on the attack against such a big stack, we need to kill them on defense as much as possible. Tosses cows 2 to safety, and possibly to Potamia next turn

Nope, move with Herc. I've run a lot of simulations, dealing with Bombardment and I know that they are really good when available. They work off of the defenceive value of the attacking unit.

Or, you can keep B&F forted, with Franklin Moving into city, It allows us to use it next turn, if Barbs in range. 2 units supporting should keep it safe. The Battle calc doesn't take Bombardment into effect. but it can mean all of the difference in the world.

quote: New catapult in Felinicity 2-2-2

Nope, move towards LI. Will be too late to help. Or keep it there, as backup, incase Barbs move that way.

quote: Bowman Jon 4 on to a hill by Potamia, to keep the barbs away from GoT Bowman Kloreep 4 in to Potamia

sounds good

quote: Bowman Beta 1 to keep the barbs away from GoT Shogun Bowman 4 on to forest to help Beta and jon; this froms a horsetight net

Nope. Have Beta Attack 4, will stay in same place, with Jon Supporting, when successful. Will leave 2 barbs left in that stack.

Shogun Bowman should move 7 onto Hills, with only 2 left, it;s not as risky. And if they want to lose move going into Forrest, then that's also good, as we can move around them.

[q]
New spear in Babylon 4-7-4 in to Potamia

These moves away from the north are being trusting of AM to not be lying about not seeing BOH forces heading our way. I don't see how we have much choice anyway, we need to kill these barbs.

One of the PoA warriors 8-7-7 to cover Felinicity

New settler in PoA on to the iron. We can decide whether to settle or move to another tile next turn.

Again, we need a call on the settler stack. Send it back home or go ahead with moving it north to the incense? [/QUOTE]

Move north, with the 2 spears and send Bowman Micha to follow.

Move Spear from Kurra towards LI.

Move Warrior from IT to Bab (headed to GoT).

That's that for now

E_T

	21-07-2005 11:11									#19
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E_T and I have been chatting. Long story short: We've agreed Franklin should seek cover in Potamia after attacking, that Beta attacking will give our hill defenders good odds even if we have leave the forest open (and the worker can always be covered next turn by the same bowmen), and to stand in the forest with the two bowmen.

However, we can't agree on whether to add the catapult to the bowmen stack. It would have one defensive bombard shot, the first, but if all 8 attack, the stack is facing being wiped out; if the catapult is there, it will be destroyed if the bowmen fall.

Here's the scenario I'm using. Preserve Random Seed is turned off, so you can just keep reloading it.

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	21-07-2005 11:14									#20
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Here's the results from 10 battles each way. Conducting more now to increase sample size.

With cat
5 2-survivor wins
2 1-survivor
3 Defeat
10 total

Without cat
3 2-survivor wins
3 1-survivor
4 Defeat
10 total

	21-07-2005 11:28									#21
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With cat
12 2-survivor wins (60%)
4 1-survivor (20%)
4 Defeat (20%)

20 total




Without cat
7 2-survivor wins (35%)
7 1-survivor (35%)
6 Defeat (30%)

20 total

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Risk extra to chance saving more.

I suppose I can go for that.

	21-07-2005 11:35									#23
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Oh, and attack BOH horse with Cain? Or no? I'd say it's our best shot at getting use at of him, they may not be coming down here but I'm sure they'll attack any weak warriors we have up there.

	21-07-2005 11:46									#24
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Workers:

BW's 585 & 810 - Road (3 turns to complete).
BW 806 - move into Potamia.
BW 217 - Mine (6 turns to complete).
BW 253 - Road (3 turns to complete).

Settlers:
Incensity Settler & 2 Spear Escort - move 8. Need to know what site we are settleing, by next turn
Iron City Settler (in PoA) - move to Iron (will decide as to where he settles next turn).

Cities to come shortly.

E_T

	21-07-2005 12:16									#25
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they investigated us.

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	21-07-2005 12:18									#26
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BoH (likely), now has Monothesim, frim DR.

E_T

	21-07-2005 12:53									#27
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Cities:

Babylon - Spearman built, start buildig Spearman (turn 1 of 2). Starting WF 1-7-12-16-18. NC
Inanna's Throne - Warrior built, start building Warrior (turn 1 of 1). Starting WF 4-7-8-15-16. NC
Plains of Ashur(grows/shrinks) - Settler built, start building Settler (turn 1 of 5). Starting WF 4-5-16-17, change WF to 1-2-4-16.
Felinicity - Cat built, start building Cat (turn 1 of 6). Starting WF 2-4-5-13, change WF to 3-4-5-14.
Garden of Tammuz - Building Worker (turn 2 of 2). Starting WF 2-3-8-18-19. NC
Potamia - Building Spearman (turn 3 of 4).Starting WF (due to Barbs) 1-8-15-19, change WF to 1-7-8-15 (after Barb killed).
Kurra (grows this turn) - Building Temple (last turn for this build). Starting WF 7-8-17, change WF to 7-8-20.
Hookah - Building Harbor (turn 4 of 16). Starting WF 1-8-19, NC.
Lake Istar - Building Worker (turn 9 of 10). Starting WF 2-3-7. NC.

E_T

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Send Feud to AM, accepted.

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	21-07-2005 20:40									#29
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-AM sends 30 gold accepted. Accepted.
-Babylon completes spear, starts spear
-IT finishes warrior, starts warrior
-PoA finishes settler, starts settler
-Felinicity finishes catapult, starts catapult

-New catapult in Felinicity named "Tosses Cats & Dogs" and moved 2-3-3 in to PoA
-Bowman Hercules 4
-Tosses Cows 4
-Bowman Big and Furry forts
-Bowman Beta attacks 4 and executes Minoan horseman without damage
-Bowman Jon 4
-Bowman Kloreep 4
-Shogun Bowman 7
-Bowman Micha 8
-Spear in settler stack 9
-Settler 8
-Spear in Kurra 7-7-8
-New warrior in IT 2-4-1 to Babylon, on its way to GoT
-BW810 road
-BW585 road
-Warrior in PoA 8-7-7 to Felinicity
-Settler in PoA 8-9-9
-BW806 4 in to Potamia
-New spear in Babylon 4-7-4 in to Potamia
-BW 217 mines
-Franklin attacks wounded Minoan horse 1 of him, wins with 3/4 left. Heads 6 in to Potamia
-BW253 roads
-Sheridan 4
-War declared on BOH
-Warrior Cain (3/3) attacks BOH Kelly's Heroes Horseman 9. Horseman wins 2/4
-Felix 1
-Spearman north of LI activated, moved 8

-Feudalism sent accepted to AM
-PoA WF to 1-2-4-16
-Felinicity WF to 3-4-5-14
-Potamia WF to 1-7-8-15
-Kurra WF to 7-8-20

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