03-11-2001 13:34									#1
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Annoying thing about CIV3 wonders....

The *picture* pops up and there's no info about what the wonder does, how much culture it provides, when it expires and what kind of civilizations can get a Golden Age because of the wonder.

So I whipped up a Photoshop Action to modify the original PCX files to include the info.

The number in the circle on the bottom right is the culture points, and the highlighted (if applicable) letters on the bottom left indicate what type of cultures benefit from possible Golden Ages because of this wonder. The text inside the window obviously tells you what the Wonder does and when (if) it expires.

I also added a modified Wonder Screen that has two legends, one that explains the meaning of the letters: C E I M R S (Commercial, Expansionist, Industrious, Militaristic, Religious, Scientific) and the other that tells you what traits the different civs have.

The zip file contains all instructions (pretty straightforward, backup and copy over the PCXs basically).

MarkG,

can you guys host the 2MB file?

I currently have it on my isp but the bandwidth and the storage space are way too small to support the file if any number of civers decide they want to download it.

you can access the file at:

www.dialisdn.net/user/adisciascio/civ3/wonderwinfo.zip

I'm attaching one example, the updated picture of Leonardo's Workshop.

Alessandro

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	03-11-2001 16:43									#2
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cool

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	03-11-2001 16:54									#3
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2.1

http://apolyton.net/civ3/files/graphics/wonderwinfo.zip

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	03-11-2001 17:57									#4
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Cool. I'll try it out, thanks.

	03-11-2001 21:23									#6
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Hey?! I read somewhere in these forums that there arenīt Wonder movies (incredible...) ... And now this?! Is it really a single picture about the wonder that pops up for us? Without any info? Without even the *name* of the Wonder??

Itīs very sad... We were supposed to be able to *modify* some aspects of the game (graphics, text), so we could customize it a little... But I donīt thing *finishing* its features is fun. Specially when you have paid for it.

	03-11-2001 21:58									#7
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Cool. What program did you use to add the info frames because I notice that it is slightly transparent. I'd like to make new wonders (using my Hagia Sophia, Acropolis, and Blue Mosque pictures) and I'd like to stick to your format.

Thanks

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kewl that helps a lot.. gj!

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quote: Originally posted by Craftsman Hey?! I read somewhere in these forums that there arenīt Wonder movies (incredible...) ... And now this?! Is it really a single picture about the wonder that pops up for us? Without any info? Without even the *name* of the Wonder??

Uh.... yeah.

But.... not anymore!

quote: Itīs very sad... We were supposed to be able to *modify* some aspects of the game (graphics, text), so we could customize it a little... But I donīt thing *finishing* its features is fun.

Uhmmm... actually.... I had *A LOT* of fun!!!!! But I understand what you're saying!

quote: Specially when you have paid for it.

True.

But, you can get my update for Free!!!

	04-11-2001 00:15									#10
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Here's another shot.

In this case I'm comparing the retarded original pic for the Sistine Chapel, to my updated one.

heck, at least mine is the Sistine chapel

...the one that came witht the game looks like it should be "Medieval small French Prison"

Please provide any feedback on the images.

I'm 100% sure I got the "What the wonder does" correct, but there is a remote (I double-checked so I'm hoping there isn't) possibility that I *could* have gotten the Culture or civ golden age things wrong.... so if you like this and want to thank me, the best way of thanking me is to spend 15 minutes flippin' thru the Civilopedia and letting me know if I accidentally messed any up!

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	04-11-2001 00:56									#11
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quote: Originally posted by E Cool. What program did you use to add the info frames because I notice that it is slightly transparent. I'd like to make new wonders (using my Hagia Sophia, Acropolis, and Blue Mosque pictures) and I'd like to stick to your format. Thanks

Cool. Let us know when you have these. All three are excellent choices as Wonders. And thanks, Che Palle.

	04-11-2001 02:33									#12
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quote: Originally posted by E Cool. What program did you use to add the info frames because I notice that it is slightly transparent. I'd like to make new wonders (using my Hagia Sophia, Acropolis, and Blue Mosque pictures) and I'd like to stick to your format. Thanks

Photoshop!

Why, there are other graphic programs?

If you have Photoshop I'll be happy to send you the source file (basically the PS file that overlays the original image (the image NEEDS to be previously sized appropriatelly, or you can't use the ACTION)

and the action to put them together.

At any rate if you're proficient with photoshop the action isn't necessary, not a lot of steps, but I had to modify a bunch of files... for 3-4 it's no biggie at all to do it manually.

lemme know!

Alessandro

P.S. If you don't have photoshop but have the pictures, feel absolutely free to ship those off to me and I'll be happy to do the overlaying for you. I'd appreciate it if you send the files already using the CIV3 standard name, so I don't have to go thru all of them trying to figure out which wonder this should be.

P.P.S. stay tuned and look for my "Newsflash: Domestic Advisor FIRED!!!" thread in the creation forum... apparently one Presley, Elvis may have applied for the job

and here's the link

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=32070

	04-11-2001 02:58									#13
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quote: Photoshop! Why, there are other graphic programs?

Totally of-topic but what can I do? ...

Actually there are other graphic programs... My boss decided to buy a lot of Macromedia stuff some three months back and I started to experiment with Fireworks. It took some time but it has grown on me and I hardly use PShop anymore... No more switching between PShop and ImageReady for me

Back to the topic: you really did an awesome job here, the pics look really great. I'm downloading them as we speak... Tnx, you make a great game (at first glance that is...) even more enjoyable...

	04-11-2001 03:08									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Che Palle In this case I'm comparing the retarded original pic for the Sistine Chapel, to my updated one.

quote: heck, at least mine is the Sistine chapel ...the one that came witht the game looks like it should be "Medieval small French Prison"

Indeed!!!

I must have to take off the hat for you, Che Palle!! Youīre really doing a great work!

	04-11-2001 08:47									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Craftsman Indeed!!! I must have to take off the hat for you, Che Palle!! Youīre really doing a great work!

You seemed to have enjoyed the humor, so I would humbly suggest you check out the thread in the CREATION FORUM titled: "NEWSLFLASH: Domestic Advisor Fired!!!" hint: ELVIS content

And for the record, I'm not an Elvis fan as he preceded my time, but I still think it's cool to have The King speaking for my people than some 3d rendered Mary Blandish chick

	04-11-2001 09:21									#16
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Very nice. Thanks for the good work. It's great to see people improving stuff so quickly.

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Very Good, I like it very much!!!

But some errors that I found; I found that you have E E for Americans instead of I E, or E I for Expansionist, and Industrious.

You should probably look for some other errors along the same lines!!!

Otherwise, it is very good!!!

	04-11-2001 15:59									#18
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Che Pelle

Fantastic. I love it. Grazie mille, muchas gracias, or whatever. I don't have the game yet, but this will be the first modification I make when it finally arrives by air mail from Canada. I'll keep a look out for any version 1.1 after the community has checked it against the manual.

	04-11-2001 16:10									#19
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Hey, some of those original Firaxis pics of the Wonders are really an anticlimax. Check out, for example, the "Great Trading Company". It looks like a struggling provisions store in the desert. What gives? Maybe, like Che's brilliant replacement of the completely inappropriate original pic for the Sistine Chapel, some technically proficient and sufficiently motivated civer might replace some of these other disappointing images. I don't have the technical skills, otherwise I would make it a project myself.

Just an idea.

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	04-11-2001 20:32									#20
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Actually, the trading company looks fairly appropriate to me. It's an old trading post that would probably over time become a city. Very American Old Westish (yes, I just mde up a new word, Westish).

	04-11-2001 21:47									#21
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But Adam Smith's Trading Company is a wonder that takes years and years to build - It's kind of disappointing to see that you get some old shack for all your troubles

Anyway, Adam Smith represents the apex of capitalism - I was expecting something more along the lines of

The Bank of the United States.

	04-11-2001 23:49									#22
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Fantastic Che

Use only the best pictures you can find for the Wonders (whether they're from the game or not).

Let them see what a dedicated fan of the game can do

BTW, is there anything you can do to change/improve the Histograph image in the game? It's a real eyesore - I can't believe that was the best they could do. . .

	05-11-2001 08:17									#23
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I'm not familiar with the history regarding the Trading Company, so I don't feel qualified to determine wether the picture provided is a reasonably accurate representation or not.

If someone has concrete info that supports a different graphic, please do post, and we'll look for an appropriate picture.

Alessandro

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Hi all

I'm not a historian of 18th century Scotland but .....

I think there was actually no such thing as Adam Smith's trading company. Adam Smith wrote 'The Wealth of Nations' in 1776, probably the most influential book of modern times (its great rival is 'Kapital' by Karl Marx). It was an instant best-seller, advocating the superior morality and efficiency of capitalism over state-directed mercantilism which had hitherto dominated economics. Smith was professor of Moral Philosophy (not economics) at Glasgow University. I always understood "Adam Smith's Trading Company" in Civ 2 to refer to the explosion in capitalist activity, which his book inspired. In other words I always regarded that 'wonder' as an abstraction or as symbolic.

I don't think you'll find a picture of it, but I think it should be represented by something more impressive than the official pic in Civ 3. The Civ 2 image of the Trading Company was really cool.

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quote: Originally posted by oriel94 I don't think you'll find a picture of it, but I think it should be represented by something more impressive than the official pic in Civ 3. The Civ 2 image of the Trading Company was really cool.

Somehow the Screenshot you attached didn't make it here

	05-11-2001 10:35									#26
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Che, did you read about the bug that I found in your photos? If you haven't, under Americans, you have E E, instead of E I, or I E!!! This is for the side pop-up. And while you are add it, you should double check the rest of the civilizations to make sure they are correct!!!

-Thanks !!!

	05-11-2001 11:21									#27
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In Civ2 the wonder was 'Adam Smith's Trading Comapny'. In Civ3 it is simply 'The Great Trading Company' (see my earlier post about Adam Smith and his book).

I attach an 18th century pic of an East India Company building. For 250 years the (British) East India Company controlled half of the world's trade. This building, located in London's Cutler Street, was owned by the East India Company.

The pic looks historic and impressive, although there doesn't seem to be a lot going on. It would be better than the desert shack currently used to depict the wonder in Civ 3 (also where nothing is going on). Perhaps someone could find a better image to depict 'The Great Trading Company' wonder.

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	05-11-2001 19:00									#28
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quote: Originally posted by java4me Che, did you read about the bug that I found in your photos? If you haven't, under Americans, you have E E, instead of E I, or I E!!! This is for the side pop-up. And while you are add it, you should double check the rest of the civilizations to make sure they are correct!!! -Thanks !!!

I will be releasing a patch update, just that one image, as it makes no sense for everyone who already has all the (so far apparently good) wonder pics to redownload a 2mb file for just one little 100k file.

I'll probably update the first post in the thread to reflect the need to download the additional patch.

Please, if anyone's found any other errors make sure you let me know!!!!

Alessandro

java4me, thanks!

	06-11-2001 10:40									#29
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Excellent work, Che.

	06-11-2001 21:33									#30
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Che: Thanks and congratulations on your work!

IMO, the graphics provided by Firaxis are very hit-or-miss. Some of the images are inspiring! Some are...not.

I agree that the "great" trading post should be replaced. It doesn't look great to me. If you provide an alternate pic, it is alternate--you are not forcing your vision on anyone else.

Another one that has got to go is circumnavigation. Come on! S.S. Minnow, anyone?

Finally, I don't really get their perspective drawings. Notably, intell and GrtCathedral just slope back too much.

Peace