09-05-2003 07:35									#391
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I would agree good post

	19-05-2003 00:14									#392
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Here is a list of the governments along with a score for their production, growth, gold, science, and military rating.

Values:
Awful -2
Bad -1
Average 0
Good +1
Excellent +2

Governmnet:
Anarchy -10
Tyranny -5
Monarchy -2
Republic -1
Thoecracy 0
Communism 0
Democracy 0
Ecotopia 3
Facism 3
Virtual Democracy 3
Corporate Republic 4
Technocracy 4

	19-05-2003 01:01									#393
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base work hours, food rations and wages are also different. did you incorporate that ?
thats why e.g. democracy and technocracy are usually difficult to maintain efficiently.

	21-05-2003 09:16									#394
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Ok here is how the math works out in that game dancemasseuse:

P.T. 32224
W.D. -8056
G.B 12084
Crime -2242
Supp. -6294
For Building 15632

From this observation the Government bonus is already included in the P.T. ( Per Turn ) totals.

So 32224 - 8056 (workday)= 24168 - 2242 (crime)=21926 - 6294 (support)= 15632

That works out as 15632 is what was left for building.

Let's look at an 8 hour workday vs. the 6 above:

P.T. 32254
W.D. 0
G.B. 16127
Crime -4576
Supp -6294
For Building 21384

If you do the math exactly as shown above you will see 21384 is what is left. The G.B. difference accounts for most of the crime difference with the exception of about 533 which could be individual cities having a .2 unhappiness on the average.

31 cities @ .2 unhappiness= 64.508 if I take it as 32254 divided by 64.508 I come up with 500 so yes unhappiness difference in each city accounts for the remaining crime difference.

Solved.

	21-05-2003 14:54									#395
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ugh
just checking

	27-05-2003 20:09									#396
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i think this might be a bug, but i'm not sure how to prevent (ab)using it:

in a recent single player game i had lots of unhappiness by pollution.
i wasnt able to build gaia controller yet, so i built sensorium to reduce the unhappiness at least.
but what happened was that all my pollution disappeared, not just the pollution-based unhappiness.

	28-05-2003 03:52									#397
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Thats odd. Few questions for you Math,

How high was your pollution before sensorium?
Did it happen around the same time you completed it?
Were you building any pollution reducers?
Did you change government or adjust workday or workers?
Did anyone else build Gaia?
Any other relevant information?

	28-05-2003 04:17									#398
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quote: Originally posted by Nimrod Thats odd. Few questions for you Math, How high was your pollution before sensorium?

so high that in my capital happiness was reduced by pollution (under corporate republic) by 36 !!

quote: Did it happen around the same time you completed it?

exactly the same time !

quote: Were you building any pollution reducers?

yes, but not of relevant amount.

quote: Did you change government or adjust workday or workers?

workdays were maximum before and after.

quote: Did anyone else build Gaia?

no.

quote: Any other relevant information?

i changed some text files, but none of the pollution factors. im sure. i only added another civilisation and went from german to english text files.

im not a fool.
i know what i have seen. :-)

exactly when i built sensorium the pollution, and not only the related unhappiness, was gone !

	28-05-2003 10:46									#399
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If you are not the fool, then I am the nimrod

Only other thing I can think of is a miss translation somewhere.

	28-05-2003 19:57									#400
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does anyone know a modification that puts new population units, if there are no more free city squares, on something else than 'Entertainer', maybe 'Worker' ?

	28-05-2003 19:58									#401
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automatically, i mean of course.
unless you want to check every other turn for every larger city.

	29-05-2003 01:12									#402
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I must say that is odd Math, I have built that wonder 20-30 times and I have yet to see that happen. hummm

I will say though I do beleive you can not connect in the forums is because of file mods. This too could be a result of that. I sure hope you do not play with these modified files in a PBEM game?

	29-05-2003 02:55									#403
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as i said, all i modified is the new civilisation.
yes, i do play with them in PBEM.

	29-05-2003 03:30									#404
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician as i said, all i modified is the new civilisation. yes, i do play with them in PBEM.

Yup..thats what he said..he D O E S <<<>>>P L A Y with them

ok...Fire next volley!!

(Actually, as long as all involved have access then it should not be a problem!)

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	29-05-2003 03:34									#405
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also, i think that the settings in the text files actually influence the other players in the game too.
i noticed that when using the all-german version, i received english-speaking messages from my opponents.
also, when i heard that my opponents got partly german messages.
so i dont think that the settings work only for the player who has them.

	29-05-2003 03:38									#406
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quote: Originally posted by Mathemagician also, i think that the settings in the text files actually influence the other players in the game too. i noticed that when using the all-german version, i received english-speaking messages from my opponents. also, when i heard that my opponents got partly german messages. so i dont think that the settings work only for the player who has them.

I am sure you all have to have them, because I had "altered" CONST>TXT file..for a scenario..making my map like 180 X 360 and it would not allow other to join.

I am by far not an expert, but I also remember once leaving in the ruins.txt file where I made gold amounts higher in ruins and forgot, until the players stated no ruins yielded anything..thus alerting me to th fact..this was in a MP game..not PBEM..but I would imagine it to be the same.

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	29-05-2003 03:43									#407
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well, if i know one thing, then it is that i dont understand how this software works...

	29-05-2003 03:49									#408
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No volly needed... I am sure Math uses them with all the other players consent? because he is aware that modifying the game files without the other players knowledge is cheating and not allowed in PBEM.

That said modifications do apply to all players sometimes, depends on the modification and how it is done.

Although they will not work in MP for the most part, PBEM is another story.

	29-05-2003 03:51									#409
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i do NOT ask people specifically.
but they see when im using a custom civilisation.

as i said, just an additional civ and english text files.

maybe it was just my PC who was misbehaving...

	29-05-2003 04:08									#410
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Could be your PC as it is a very isolated problem.

Be careful with the modifications, if you have not informed players and moderators alike it could be viewed as cheating if the game shows odd behaviour. :0/

	29-05-2003 04:12									#411
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quote: Originally posted by blackice Could be your PC as it is a very isolated problem.

fact is that my CTP sometimes behaves very randomly...

quote: Be careful with the modifications, if you have not informed players and moderators alike it could be viewed as cheating if the game shows odd behaviour. :0/

sure. i just didnt expect something like that.

	29-05-2003 04:18									#412
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Have you tested your ram lately?
I have a great tester if you like email and I can send it to you? It is the first thing I would test. The test can show several things. If it comes up bad test it on another system. If it comes up good on the other system M.B. and power supply are next to test.



I can happen I just thought I would let you know :0)

	29-05-2003 04:35									#413
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you mean RAM can cause the program to behave so strange instead of just crashing ?

i'd be happy if you could send that tester to me:
mathemagician@gmx.de

thank you

	29-05-2003 05:08									#414
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Absolutely, sure make sure your system boots to the "a" drive and let the test run.

	29-05-2003 16:19									#415
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May I have the tester too please Mr Blackice Sir?

	29-05-2003 17:48									#416
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Sure but I have to get it from work first, so I will send it tonight.

	29-05-2003 17:57									#417
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Thankyou

	29-05-2003 19:42									#418
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quote: Originally posted by Troll this was in a MP game..not PBEM..but I would imagine it to be the same.

As blackice said, but I feel I must emphasize - game file altering is very different in MP or PBEM. In MP differing files will usually cause an error at once - even if you don't get an immediate crash each player's version of CTP will do stuff according to its own rules, and if the results do not agree then you get an out of sync error and the host will retransmit to the other players, so basically the host's rules are the most important.

In PBEM, there is no problem with syncronisation, and alterations to the rules will just affect the events which occur on each players computer - note that the start of the next players turn happens on your computer, so your rules will affect them more than you, usually.

PBEM games are very resilient to differences, and alterations in mid-game. So long as you don't reduce the number of units/buildings/etc. the save will usually load (although very strange effects can ensue...).

	30-05-2003 00:56									#419
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Ok..I do understand..just seems very much potential..shall we say..to visit "Pandoras Box" of Black Magic tricks

I know we have a very honest community, but like all communities...you have Hospitals, schools, banks, libraries, Palaces,Theaters,..

Police Stations, Fire Departments..

Liquor Stores, Crack Houses,Bars


I hope this doesnt become the case!


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Grandpa Troll

	30-05-2003 01:42									#420
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you mean i may not build liquor stores ?