07-03-2002 10:10									#151
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka Fortifications do indeed work as cities for the purposes of unit healing.... If they are placed in a bottle neck they are a nightmare for the enemy to get past...

Oh yes...yes.....Remember our MP Game. It took you 30 units to Crack that on the mountain fortress. And in the end, I drove you out and mocked you from Fortified mountains positions


Forts Effectiveness. Never to be underestimated. Thats a 150% bonus... And if your on a mountain. 250%

And you can Bombard them till the cows come home. They heal instantly the next turn. The Best place to put these are on mountains in Passes.....or in land bottlenecks, where theres only one or two square through.


I played a gamewith Ivat once. I blasted to hell like 12 of his Battleships with 7 Artillery pieces placed in a fort. And in the end, he never took the fort



Btw. We made the ACS news!

	11-03-2002 03:47									#152
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With the ability to move anywhere on any size map within 3 turns, does this make space too powerful? While some units do have an active space defense, just flying a cheap space fighters through an opponents territory will cause those defenders to shoot. Now you can move in with space planes, swarms, or other units, land in their territory, surrounding almost every city.

Does this make space too powerful?

opinions...

	11-03-2002 04:04									#153
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A Nation that gets way ahead in Space will be difficult to beat....But that is the end game for you, if you win by having better science then so be it.... Swarms are a collosally powerful unit for that effect, with Nanite Factories, and all land cities (or many of them) set to Capitalisation you can churn out as many swarm per turn as you have space cities, Get 150- 160 together, stack em and descend straight onto cities, and game over in one turn....

	11-03-2002 22:07									#154
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Here is my tactic for the space age:

Keep as many space fighters in space as possible.
Keep a few space planes up there as well, each loaded with one (space) marine.

This allows you to take any city anywhere in one single turn, without having to drop units next to it first.

How ?

Attack the city with space fighters until it is empty.
On the same turn, descend a spane plane next to the empty city.
On the same turn, unload the marine into the city, capturing it.
Put the remainder of the space planes into the city.


Three turns is way too slow in the space age.

	11-03-2002 23:49									#155
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I wish you the bests of luck while bu8ilding this guide.

This i would like to add:
Micromagiment is everything, it just requires alot of time.
Be sure you never waste production, science and that every improvement you build has more use then the other one at that moment.

You should consider war, don't say i never make war and neither say i always make war. If you want to be (one of) the best you have to take your time and sort trough every option.

Next to that you need all the right information.

Good luck

	12-03-2002 04:08									#156
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One element of my otherwise robust game, is the lack of stealth units in my arsenal.... I cannot remember when I last built a spy, or a Lawyer..... they have value, they often catch me unawares from other nations, a little piece from someone on the use of stealth and terror units would be good.... for instance unhappiness attacks can be grouped together.... an Infector, Televangelist and subneaural ad- could they revolt a city when combined?? What about Ecowarriors... I remember I used tham against the AI a lot, but again not in MP...

	12-03-2002 05:55									#157
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka One element of my otherwise robust game, is the lack of stealth units in my arsenal.... I cannot remember when I last built a spy, or a Lawyer..... they have value, they often catch me unawares from other nations, a little piece from someone on the use of stealth and terror units would be good.... for instance unhappiness attacks can be grouped together.... an Infector, Televangelist and subneaural ad- could they revolt a city when combined?? What about Ecowarriors... I remember I used tham against the AI a lot, but again not in MP...

TrollDom Deecree:

"Ifin ya cant see 'em, dont build 'em"

So I just exclude them.

But they are very effective, you gotta be ever careful of them boogers!!

Yours In Civin

Troll

	12-03-2002 10:35									#158
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quote: Originally posted by Troll TrollDom Deecree: "Ifin ya cant see 'em, dont build 'em" So I just exclude them. But they are very effective, you gotta be ever careful of them boogers!! Yours In Civin Troll

I never exclude spy's. They are the best way to catch a cheater. Along time ago ; I sent 2 spies into enemy capital and a city near it. Guess what I found!

Every building built ; except the granary..... which he sat and built in 11 size city, and was still building when I re-spied it 5 turns later

	12-03-2002 12:28									#159
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Heh 2 spys one spy Look you get a lull in the action say 4-5 turns build a friggin army of them (or more). That's right an army of spies, you have a few thousand to waste you have a spy on every key city your enemy has. Then some when your ready to go your spies have told you what you need to know. Ememy strength, city troops, production, HAPPINESS etc.

Oh you are not done yet NUKE every major city he has, every one. One after the other steal, spy, revolt, nuke heck you only need one troop when the smoke clears to take a city...how long do you think it will take him to regroup to take them back...dirty pool You gotta love this game And some people cheat to win h*ll cheating is built into the game. Six or seven major cities should do it. Remember when stealing tech, steal from the least happy city. Better yet make the city unhappy and the goods are yours.

Eco terrorist's are great for those strategic cities they have to annoy you take em out. Have a settler waiting, especially if you are near mountains. Infectors, eco, mind, spies all at one time...thanks for coming out "good game" is what you read shortly there after

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	12-03-2002 12:56									#160
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Though not usually used by most in multiplayer, unconventional units in mass if used the right time with the right way can judge the entire cource of the game if you want my opinion.

They are way to powerful if you've got much of them supported by much gold and got your opponent unprepared.

	12-03-2002 17:51									#161
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory I never exclude spy's. They are the best way to catch a cheater. Along time ago ; I sent 2 spies into enemy capital and a city near it. Guess what I found! Every building built ; except the granary..... which he sat and built in 11 size city, and was still building when I re-spied it 5 turns later

Did you "ACCIDENTLY" attack him????




Yours In Civiv

Troll

	13-03-2002 11:44									#162
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While I've had the chance to use many unconventional units in multiplayer, I've found that using corporate branches all over the place kills the AI's production.

Slavers are great in any time period. Even in the diamond age where just about everything prevents slavery, you can group one in an army and he will slave if he servives an attack with the army. But if you want to do that remember to build alot before they go obsolite

Clerics are a good way to empty your opponents pockets. Converting a city may only give you 10% of the city's gold, but it still cost that player 1000 gold to get rid of it . Then theres the unhappiness factor if a player with converted cities goes to war with the player that converted those cities. Then you can come in with the soothsay and lower the cities happiness more...oops...RIOT!!! Ok maybe I over did it. Lets go with sell indulgances, gives them happiness and you gold. Im not sure how much, but if im not mistaken its only 3 gold for 3 happiness. Which might be usful in the beginning if you have, say. 5 clerics selling to 5 cities, thats 15 more gold a turn plus you opponent's people are happy Never use televanglist, comes to late in game.

Spies and cyber ninjas I always thought were to expensive with to low a risk. I just use them for scouts and defense against others. Anyone else want to add something?

Infectors will give a city -5 happiness and the infection can spread to other cities via trade routes. If a city has 4-8 trade routes for it then you are almost garunteed 1-2 cities to be infected.

Ecoterrorist can cunduct hits which also give unhappiness, but their nano-attacks are da bomb. It will destroy ALL city improvments. Imagine a city with 4 trade routes coming to it, monopoly city, it has all those wonderful gold buildings and probably some production ones and the city may be capitalizing with tons of money for that player. Ooops, no more gold and another city has a pretty good chance of being infected with the nanites too.

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	13-03-2002 20:30									#163
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Here is a trick. I used to do this early on, in small maps. You Rush buy 4 Cleric's and sneak them into Enemy capital.

You Soothsay the city 3-4 times in one turn. It revolts...hehe.....game over or them.

	13-03-2002 22:37									#164
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Here is a trick. I used to do this early on, in small maps. You Rush buy 4 Cleric's and sneak them into Enemy capital. You Soothsay the city 3-4 times in one turn. It revolts...hehe.....game over or them.

I can hereby testify that this does indeed work, QUITE WELL!!!!

I t happened to me, early on and I think it is one of the most effective, early on setbacks a person could experience

Yours In Civin

Troll

	13-03-2002 22:54									#165
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Here is a trick. I used to do this early on, in small maps. You Rush buy 4 Cleric's and sneak them into Enemy capital. You Soothsay the city 3-4 times in one turn. It revolts...hehe.....game over or them.

So unit effects can be stacked...cool

	14-03-2002 00:27									#166
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quote: Originally posted by Nimrod So unit effects can be stacked...cool

nd only costs 2000 gold.....so its cheaps. And each soothsay is -3 happiness.

Yes......It is my secret weapon. It almost ALWAYS works unless your guy is spotted. Thats why you take the swampy trek...not on rivers. I ws going to use against Gav. But the secrets out now! . Now I know people will use it against me.


Yes it sets back a Civ GREATLY!

	14-03-2002 03:16									#167
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Superb!! That is a great help.... I don't often get to use Genetic or Diamond Stealth Units though, games don't ofetn seem to get that far...... One thing I am gonna do though is stack slavers with every roving band of units I have in future..

	14-03-2002 03:24									#168
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka Superb!! That is a great help.... I don't often get to use Genetic or Diamond Stealth Units though, games don't ofetn seem to get that far...... One thing I am gonna do though is stack slavers with every roving band of units I have in future..

Gavrushka, my friend, Faded is correct, for the times when I use them slavers, or as I like to refer to my buddy, "Fat Jack's Slaver Service" because he looks like a Big Old Redneck I travel with a group of good defenders, Fat Jack, and then everytime I attack a unit, win, I get a slave!!

Great way to build a up a city!!

Of course..that Emancipation Act can cause some BIG PROBLEMS!!

Yours In Civin


Troll

	14-03-2002 06:13									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Troll Did you "ACCIDENTLY" attack him???? Yours In Civiv Troll

Na I asked him if he was cheating.....he said no. Then I ask why no granarys, he was competely unaware it was even me who spied him. He said "Oh I built those long ago. Right on first turn I rush buy them".


I didnt leave. I just stopped being gentle to him. While his poor ass was on Nationalism, I changed to Fascist Government. And started taking one, two cities. He left and called me a fagget and cheater

	14-03-2002 08:02									#170
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Na I asked him if he was cheating.....he said no. Then I ask why no granarys, he was competely unaware it was even me who spied him. He said "Oh I built those long ago. Right on first turn I rush buy them". I didnt leave. I just stopped being gentle to him. While his poor ass was on Nationalism, I changed to Fascist Government. And started taking one, two cities. He left and called me a fagget and cheater

Very good my man, me however, once we set rulz in a game and the opponents decide to change without announcing, why then i guess i will pack my tent up and pitch it somewhere else. You see, strategy is evrything in this game and I know you are aware of it, just some folks "conventiently" change rules to suit them BEYOND what is agreed upon.

Im wishing you the best of success in your endeavors as I am encountering my own "challenges"

Be good, watch yer liqour so u have a spleen and liver later in life my friend!

Yours in Civin

Troll

	14-03-2002 08:04									#171
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Tis the reason only a few GL'ERS are still playing...Faded, Gav,Quinns and a few others saw this coming to GL. Fun is the name of the game thats why we here still play.... So go for it people play online and test this you will know who to play and who to invite here

	14-03-2002 08:25									#172
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Yeh. I ****in hate those people


I give up ok when Im defeated. But I always! And Gav, BerX, Nuke Boy...etc.....can testify that I always ask if they want to TAKE ALL CITIES, and let me fight to the last or if I can leave. Always, I think its just rude to bail in the middle of a game. Or when you are about to lose. I always ask the winner if they want me to fight to the last.


I played a game with Patryn for 7 hours last week. I took 3 of his cities...he left. But I convinced him to come back in and he did. Only if I gave him 3 turns to buildup military . Which totally reversed my good fortune. Stupid weak French...

	14-03-2002 08:59									#173
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Patryn Is good people you should convince him as I have to join. I look at it this way if I conceed we get in two games BTW up for a game?

	14-03-2002 09:07									#174
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quote: Originally posted by blackice BTW up for a game?

I dont think so. Im going to bed in a bit Its 10:30.....im just lounging in OT this time of night till I get tired

	14-03-2002 09:15									#175
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I'll just skip by your city tonight

Anyone to insult in ot tonight?

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	14-03-2002 09:22									#176
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Na its a wasteland for morons and losers.


But I dont mind picking fights with a few them. some are just complete morons with too much time on there hand :lolsee the Pentagon airplane conspiracy thread)

	14-03-2002 09:53									#177
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Yes a screwed up toaster can offer a better challenge sometimes The ritalin thread should get hot now Ye old F*ck This F*uck you has posted
You have to love these forums

	14-03-2002 10:03									#178
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Yeh. I ****in hate those people I give up ok when Im defeated. But I always! And Gav, BerX, Nuke Boy...etc.....can testify that I always ask if they want to TAKE ALL CITIES, and let me fight to the last or if I can leave. Always, I think its just rude to bail in the middle of a game. Or when you are about to lose. I always ask the winner if they want me to fight to the last. I played a game with Patryn for 7 hours last week. I took 3 of his cities...he left. But I convinced him to come back in and he did. Only if I gave him 3 turns to buildup military . Which totally reversed my good fortune. Stupid weak French...

I think bailing out when a player is whooping you is lame ok. I have done it. A Lot of people have done it. Not all mind you, just a lot.

I also think its pretty lame to set some rules up like no attacking anyone for "X" period or years, then when you see a prime piece of real estate you want, you "accidently" kill an opponents man whom is on it, stating.."It allways happens like that everygame"...Now, If I were adhereing to rules, I wouldnt do that, but as we all know, not EVERYONE is squeeky clean now are they my friend...

Yours In Civin

Troll

	14-03-2002 10:45									#179
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Yeh...I usaully do that to gav and nuke boy. "Oh I didnt mean to raze that settlement, or kill that knight! My mouse slipped" Then you settle that spot.

	14-03-2002 13:47									#180
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quote: Originally posted by faded glory Yeh...I usaully do that to gav and nuke boy. "Oh I didnt mean to raze that settlement, or kill that knight! My mouse slipped" Then you settle that spot.

Faded, time to come clean about your numeric illiteracy.... .... when we agree peace to turn 80....it means on turn 79 faded attacks.... ..... This weekend I say we have a CTP fest, I am available ALL weekend after Saturday Morning.... with breaks to watch Grand Prix...

BTW, Keygen is a great player to have a game against, he was a little rusty for Internet play, but that was his first game.... and I know he learns VERY quick... great Social Event...

The worst thing about gaming online for me, is the guy that continually asks you to concede when you know that you have something special planned... I always make a single suggestion when the game seems to be one way traffic that we do not have to play right to the end, that is very very disheartening for the other player..

Nimrod is up this weekend for a game (Saturday night) so lets get some arranged.... hopefully I can spend some time with the Newbies as well doing a Trainer Game..